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According to the article header his name is Vladimir Vysotskyj but the third image from the top is labeled "Marina Vlady and Valdimir Vysotskiy". Looks like a typo. Both first and last name differes from the name in the header. For all I know this spelling is russian slang, so if anyone with knowledge of the russian language is reading this; please correct the label and/or delete this comment. Ulfkri ( talk) 08:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC) In English - Vladimir Vysotsky, in Latin - Vladimir Vysotskij. All I want to say is that the article in English is absurdly Anti-Soviet. The Russian one never mentions how critical he was and so on. The west loves to make this stuff up. He was a good Soviet musicsian who lived in the USSR all his life. What is so hard to understand about that? Why did he have to hate the Soviet Union to be a good artist? Im always told how Soviet propaganda was bad. Some so called Democrats should take a good hard look at themselves and some of the lies the peddel. Even Brezhnev liked him!Brezhnev, Yes the leader on the Soviet Union! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.32.226.75 ( talk) 18:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Again, I apologize for the wording in the edit comments. Unfortunately, I don't feel I can write much first-hand info. I added only for what I can vouch for. I will try to contact true fans and urge them to write more. Mikkalai 17:13, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
As so much of his work was recorded on tape by amateurs/with home musical equipment by fans or concert-goers, it's difficult to consider the substantial amount of recordings available today as official.
A source below in the discussion cites him as having been baptized. The citation-in article for "of mixed Jewish[1] and Russian descent" only explicitly says that his grandmother was Jewish, but married a Ukrainian man during WWII to avoid Nazi persecution. The original name of the grandfather appears to be of Jewish descent, but he changed it to a Russian form - with no explicit mention of Jewish heritage. Is this sufficient to mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.9.226.62 ( talk) 05:22, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I can't find info anywhere whether Vysotsky was religious or not. He doubtlessly has religious thematics appearing in his works. One could argue that as he references God and Orthodox churches, etc. both as symbols and metaphors, he could be religious - but one could also say that this was him assuming another role. Verdict? Sources? :)
Rakovich Robert did a doctoral dissertation on religious themes appearing in his works at the Pechskiy University - but I don't know if that source can be located. here = http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/dmpershin/post108982817/ (use google translate) it references an interview with Vysotsky's son, who said that "he was baptized in an Armenian church (orthodox), the most beautiful of icons. Next to them stood two Catholic statues of the Savior and the Virgin Mother. I believe they were some kind of decorative element." (paraphrase-ish)
From a concert in Moscow, 1979 http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap002hn2.jpg while performing "Pismo iz Kanatchikovoy Dachi"
Also, here are some potential sources (in Russian; however, could use Google translator) http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/interview2.html - An interview with Vysotsky's doctor http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/index.html - biography; mentions Vysotsky's meeting with Marina Vladi - in 1967. http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/index1.html - list of historical events. http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/history6.html - even more detailed bio. http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/history5.html - mentions how in 1975 he slept 2-2.5 hours a night. http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/history4.html - Mentions how his last love was an actress, Oksana Afanasyeva.
I know "Melody" published several vynils of songs of Vysotsky of the "patriotic" theme (a bureaucratic term, hence in quotes) of WWII.
The official Vysotsky websites go in deeper detail of presenting individual songs, even individual records of them, unfortunately I falied to find any pre-CD era discography. Mikkalai 20:11, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Marina Vlady's book describes in detail Vysotsky's use of morphine over years. I do not believe the book mentions heroin specifically (which by the way, is a derivative of morphine, according to Wikipedia's entry on the drug), but it does seem to suggest that Vysotsky experimented with anything he could get his hands on. In any case, morphine use is indeed common knowledge and also appears to be well documented. The cause of his death is more contraversial and it is not necessary to speculate about it as long as the reader is informed at some point in the article of Vysotksy's alcohol and drug use throughout his life.
I don't want to start an edit war, but it's a well known fact that Visotsky was a heroin addict, it's just not often mentioned. I couldn't find a better source than [1], but the site doesn't seem to be a reliable information source. It's just common knowledge, I remember my mom telling me about it. Ask your own parents (is you're from the former USSR), they'll tell you. In my opinion, things like this, which are common knowledge but undocumented, should definitely be part of Wikipedia. -- Aramgutang 04:47, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I just watched a TV show about Visotsky's last couple of years, including the circumstances that led to his death, and several of the people interviewed -- people that knew him personally -- confirmed that he had used heroin as well as morphine. Added that to the article.
I just wanted to point out that when Vysotsky is compared to Dassin, it isn't usually in the context of their music, but in a political context. Dassin was French/American, a foreigner, and the life of the Soviet people was completely alien to him. However, because of his communist political affiliation, he was given attention by the Soviet media. Vysotsky was loved by the Soviet people and yet the media almost completely ignored him. I think this should be worked into the article somehow. 67.138.153.182 21:55, 24 Apr 2005 (EST)
I just noticed the last entry in the "External links" section of the article is "The Word of Vladimir Vysotsky, by Akbar Ali Muhammad (international publication)". I took a look at the linked page (somewhat cursory, I admit), and it seems that this "publication" is someone's personal/religious (and, IMHO, very skewed) take on some Vysotsky's work.
Given that the rest of the entries in the section are links to [good] informational sites about V.V., song archives, and so forth, it seems that lumping this entry along with the others is a bit misleading (seeming to indicate that the article has some authority, which is arguable at best). I'm not sure what the wikipedia policy about external links is, but at the very least I think it would be more appropriate to at least mark it as a link to someone's personal opinion, as opposed to a real scholarly publication).
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Was it that he died of a heroin overdose? The article doesn't specify. Constanz - Talk 12:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
it wasn't heroine overdose for sure. he drank with his friends in a bar. he drank too much vodka. and lost control of himself. people in the bar had to tie him up with ropes to calm him down. there were rumors that his overly emotional behavior in the bar was instigated by certain individuals(KGB??). that's as much as I know. he died later in hospital from heart attack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.137.76 ( talk) 18:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Listen, we can argue about the circumstances discussed in thes section until the cows come home. The key issue is that this whole section is clearly very biased and stands out as a badly written insertion. The very first sentence alludes to "fairly convincing evidence" which is a "weasel word" by Wikipedia standards, and it only goes downhill from there on. I suggest this section be deleted or drastically rewritten. User GOGANESS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.131.94.93 ( talk) 17:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the whole section: unreferenced accusations against living people in drug trading and murder is a blatant violation of WP:BLP Alex Bakharev ( talk) 12:01, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Removal of a whole section on a made up charge that 'it is unreferenced', when everyone can see the reference it contains, is a clear violation of wikipedia principles, and borders of vandalism. It is unbecoming of an administrator. 'Accusations of drug trading and murder' are your exaggerations of what the section contains. It uses no such words, and its contents are no more or less than the text it contains. All based on quotations of participants in the events. People can judge for themselves what they think of it without your subjective interpretation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unveiled ( talk • contribs) 02:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia policies are that 'more detailed references' must be provided than 'a single footnote' which can be 'missed'?. 'Direct links' must be provided to 'pages with negative statements' (and who is to judge what is a negative statement)?. 'Footnote the most strong accusation' - and are you going to define what these are? This is nonsense.
Now have a look at wikipedia pages, say the present one. How many references do you see directly linked to statements on the page? In the way you are suggesting this section should be referenced?
Sounds like you have a personal agenda. If there is any 'genuine' interest from people concerning specific statements in this section, I can provide them.
I do not need to write anything about Valerii Perevozchikov, that is also not a WP rule. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unveiled ( talk • contribs) 03:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
People can judge for themselves whether what you wrote above is 'friendly advice'.
The statement you quote is indeed negative and I can supply a page quote, but that is not the end of the story. You will then want me to prove Perevozchikov's credibility and every other little detail. The book has come out a while ago - he has written several on Vysotsky. They all contain quotes from conversations with the direct participants - the people I named on the list. He has not been sued. Its freely available - I had provided a link to the online version. If you cant read Russian use babelfish. For some reason you only want to challenge this particular source in a selective fashion. If you can find any indications that Perevozchikov has been sued for defamation, post it. Do your own research.
Then you say you see 'many' references linked directly to statements on the page. Now this is dishonest. There are 2. Once I discover a dishonesty I dont discuss further. Goodbye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unveiled ( talk • contribs) 04:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Since a number of people have taken an interest in this section, accompanied by some fairly frayed reactions let me say more.
The first point, which has not been addressed, but which bothered me when writing this contribution is, is there a need for a separate section entitled 'circumstances of death' in an encyclopoedic article? My reasons for are the following: there is a lot of (mis)information and speculation on this subject - much of which has mislead me in the past, with fairly drastic consequences to how one should regard the phenomenon of Vysotsky and the Soviet period as a whole. Some of these are present in previous versions of the current page. To wit, Vysotsky died either of a heart attack (possibly due to alcoholism) but in any case brought about by mistreatment by Soviet authorities. There are other rumours, such as 'the ambulance deliberately arrived late because the authorities wanted him dead'. And yet when you read Perevozchikov's books (or indeed Zolotukhins), here is a picture of a man living as if there is no iron curtain. He can travel to Paris or Tahiti on a whim - when most Soviet citizens can't even exit the country once. He can travel far above the speed limit in the wrong lane while drunk, crash, and get away with it by inviting the investigating superintendent with family to a party at his flat. He can obtain narcotics regularly and not be punished - in a society where narctotics were so rare most people weren't aware of what they are and their effect on the human body - which is why his Russian concert audience in his latter years mostly did not understand what is wrong with him.
The second point is Vysotsky's songs. They are not ABBA songs, where it could be argued the character traits of the singers/composers are not relevant to their artistry. They are what is termed in the article 'bard songs' - their closest relatives in English are the protest songs of Bob Dylan and the like. Many are deeply personal, about society, about how one should behave towards friends, in short about morals. So the question of the author's personal behaviour in this regard is relevant, and can not be termed mere voyeurism. It’s a bit like if Bob Dylan were a member of the KKK, that would be relevant.
Then there is the issue of the author's , Valery Perevozchikov's, credibility. I would not waste my time writing hearsay far removed from the truth about an iconic Soviet phenomenon such as Vysotsky. But the text, for anyone who can read Russian, is highly believable. It is not a rant or demagogeury. It is peppered with quotes from first hand sources, the authors main contribution is to put them on a time-line and tie them all together. And almost all facts do indeed fit - subject to the slight variability in peoples memory, that one indeed always encounters. And they fit with Zolotukhin's recollections - which being a diary are also a highly valuable source. Perevozchikov does not try to deliberately tarnish Vysotsky's legacy, in fact all material is presented tactfully in an understanding fashion. He tries to avoid conflict. Yet the overall picture is as presented in this section. To date none of the characters that are indeed alive has filed for defamation.
Now a reference that "Vysotskys associates had all put in efforts to supply his drug habit" (there are many quotes of different people mentioning individuals separately, but this quote of Oksana puts it succinctly). I quote the Russian
[2] and translate:
В.Шехтман: "Приезжаю в театр. Володя дал мне два маленьких флакончика закручивающихся и говорит: Чеши к Толику Федотову! Толика на месте нет, я - обратно: Володя, Толика нет. Он звонит, Толик появился... Давай еще раз. Я еще раз туда и обратно. При мне в уборной - раз! ввел наркотик! - пошел доигрывать..." 13 июля - "Гамлет". Оксана: "Володя играл, я его ждала. Посылал ли он кого-нибудь? Наверное... Тогда мы все были в состоянии "боевой готовности" - в любой момент мчаться куда-то. Но я - гораздо меньше, чем ребята. Они же все это доставали..."
V. Shekhtman: "I arrived at the theater. Vladimir gave me two small containers and said: off with you to Anatolii Fedotov! Anatolii was not at his place, I returned - "Vladimir, Anatolii is not there". He rings, Anatolii answered .. "Come on, go again". Once more I went and came back. In my presence in the toilet he - in one go, injected the narcotic! - went on to finish the play .."
13 of july its "Hamlet".
Oksana Afanas'eva: "Vladimir performed, I awaited him. Did he send anyone? Perhaps.. At that time we were all in a state of "high alert", ready to hurry-off at a moments notice. But I - much less than the guys. They procured all that stuff ..."
One can hardly have doubts regarding the authenticity of V. Perevozchikov, he is highly regarded in Russian literary circles. One can find many references on the Russian internet praising the quality of his work. Here is an example
[3]
Unveiled (
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I find this sentence a bit non encyclopedic: Fueled by Marina's exotic status as a Frenchwoman in the Soviet Union, and Vladimir's unmatched popularity in his country, their love was passionate and impulsive.
I mean, it might be true that their love was passionate and impulsive, but I feel it should have references. And about the origins of this passion, I guess it's only for them to say if it was connected to their public status (a quote could work here). Udi Raz ( talk) 14:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I use a translator. To answer some questions. 1) Vysotsky died due to a weak heart. Heart was weak from birth. 2) The religiosity is unknown. The book is written by Marina Vlady that Vysotskky not believe in God..
specify your e-mail. I will answer the other questions and help with the discography.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.162.4.123 ( talk) 08:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
@Galassi. This tells: "His father, Semyon Volfovich (Vladimirovich) (1915–1997), was a Jewish colonel in the army originally from Kiev." Which Army? Who originated from Kiev, his father or the Army? What does it mean "Jewish"? Religion, ethnicity or something else? Which exactly sources support this assertion? My very best wishes ( talk) 16:03, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
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What is the copyright status of his audio recordings? I translated the main theme song from "The Last Burglar" (Здравствуйте, наши добрые зрители... and Вот что, жизнь прекрасна, товарищи...) but I can't find any info about his estate (if any). Would it be OK to upload my own performance of his (translated) song onto Wikimedia? If not, would it be OK to link to the external media? melikamp ( talk) 04:19, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
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According to the article header his name is Vladimir Vysotskyj but the third image from the top is labeled "Marina Vlady and Valdimir Vysotskiy". Looks like a typo. Both first and last name differes from the name in the header. For all I know this spelling is russian slang, so if anyone with knowledge of the russian language is reading this; please correct the label and/or delete this comment. Ulfkri ( talk) 08:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC) In English - Vladimir Vysotsky, in Latin - Vladimir Vysotskij. All I want to say is that the article in English is absurdly Anti-Soviet. The Russian one never mentions how critical he was and so on. The west loves to make this stuff up. He was a good Soviet musicsian who lived in the USSR all his life. What is so hard to understand about that? Why did he have to hate the Soviet Union to be a good artist? Im always told how Soviet propaganda was bad. Some so called Democrats should take a good hard look at themselves and some of the lies the peddel. Even Brezhnev liked him!Brezhnev, Yes the leader on the Soviet Union! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.32.226.75 ( talk) 18:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Again, I apologize for the wording in the edit comments. Unfortunately, I don't feel I can write much first-hand info. I added only for what I can vouch for. I will try to contact true fans and urge them to write more. Mikkalai 17:13, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
As so much of his work was recorded on tape by amateurs/with home musical equipment by fans or concert-goers, it's difficult to consider the substantial amount of recordings available today as official.
A source below in the discussion cites him as having been baptized. The citation-in article for "of mixed Jewish[1] and Russian descent" only explicitly says that his grandmother was Jewish, but married a Ukrainian man during WWII to avoid Nazi persecution. The original name of the grandfather appears to be of Jewish descent, but he changed it to a Russian form - with no explicit mention of Jewish heritage. Is this sufficient to mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.9.226.62 ( talk) 05:22, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I can't find info anywhere whether Vysotsky was religious or not. He doubtlessly has religious thematics appearing in his works. One could argue that as he references God and Orthodox churches, etc. both as symbols and metaphors, he could be religious - but one could also say that this was him assuming another role. Verdict? Sources? :)
Rakovich Robert did a doctoral dissertation on religious themes appearing in his works at the Pechskiy University - but I don't know if that source can be located. here = http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/dmpershin/post108982817/ (use google translate) it references an interview with Vysotsky's son, who said that "he was baptized in an Armenian church (orthodox), the most beautiful of icons. Next to them stood two Catholic statues of the Savior and the Virgin Mother. I believe they were some kind of decorative element." (paraphrase-ish)
From a concert in Moscow, 1979 http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap002hn2.jpg while performing "Pismo iz Kanatchikovoy Dachi"
Also, here are some potential sources (in Russian; however, could use Google translator) http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/interview2.html - An interview with Vysotsky's doctor http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/index.html - biography; mentions Vysotsky's meeting with Marina Vladi - in 1967. http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/index1.html - list of historical events. http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/history6.html - even more detailed bio. http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/history5.html - mentions how in 1975 he slept 2-2.5 hours a night. http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/bard/vysotsky/history4.html - Mentions how his last love was an actress, Oksana Afanasyeva.
I know "Melody" published several vynils of songs of Vysotsky of the "patriotic" theme (a bureaucratic term, hence in quotes) of WWII.
The official Vysotsky websites go in deeper detail of presenting individual songs, even individual records of them, unfortunately I falied to find any pre-CD era discography. Mikkalai 20:11, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Marina Vlady's book describes in detail Vysotsky's use of morphine over years. I do not believe the book mentions heroin specifically (which by the way, is a derivative of morphine, according to Wikipedia's entry on the drug), but it does seem to suggest that Vysotsky experimented with anything he could get his hands on. In any case, morphine use is indeed common knowledge and also appears to be well documented. The cause of his death is more contraversial and it is not necessary to speculate about it as long as the reader is informed at some point in the article of Vysotksy's alcohol and drug use throughout his life.
I don't want to start an edit war, but it's a well known fact that Visotsky was a heroin addict, it's just not often mentioned. I couldn't find a better source than [1], but the site doesn't seem to be a reliable information source. It's just common knowledge, I remember my mom telling me about it. Ask your own parents (is you're from the former USSR), they'll tell you. In my opinion, things like this, which are common knowledge but undocumented, should definitely be part of Wikipedia. -- Aramgutang 04:47, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I just watched a TV show about Visotsky's last couple of years, including the circumstances that led to his death, and several of the people interviewed -- people that knew him personally -- confirmed that he had used heroin as well as morphine. Added that to the article.
I just wanted to point out that when Vysotsky is compared to Dassin, it isn't usually in the context of their music, but in a political context. Dassin was French/American, a foreigner, and the life of the Soviet people was completely alien to him. However, because of his communist political affiliation, he was given attention by the Soviet media. Vysotsky was loved by the Soviet people and yet the media almost completely ignored him. I think this should be worked into the article somehow. 67.138.153.182 21:55, 24 Apr 2005 (EST)
I just noticed the last entry in the "External links" section of the article is "The Word of Vladimir Vysotsky, by Akbar Ali Muhammad (international publication)". I took a look at the linked page (somewhat cursory, I admit), and it seems that this "publication" is someone's personal/religious (and, IMHO, very skewed) take on some Vysotsky's work.
Given that the rest of the entries in the section are links to [good] informational sites about V.V., song archives, and so forth, it seems that lumping this entry along with the others is a bit misleading (seeming to indicate that the article has some authority, which is arguable at best). I'm not sure what the wikipedia policy about external links is, but at the very least I think it would be more appropriate to at least mark it as a link to someone's personal opinion, as opposed to a real scholarly publication).
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Was it that he died of a heroin overdose? The article doesn't specify. Constanz - Talk 12:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
it wasn't heroine overdose for sure. he drank with his friends in a bar. he drank too much vodka. and lost control of himself. people in the bar had to tie him up with ropes to calm him down. there were rumors that his overly emotional behavior in the bar was instigated by certain individuals(KGB??). that's as much as I know. he died later in hospital from heart attack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.137.76 ( talk) 18:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Listen, we can argue about the circumstances discussed in thes section until the cows come home. The key issue is that this whole section is clearly very biased and stands out as a badly written insertion. The very first sentence alludes to "fairly convincing evidence" which is a "weasel word" by Wikipedia standards, and it only goes downhill from there on. I suggest this section be deleted or drastically rewritten. User GOGANESS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.131.94.93 ( talk) 17:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the whole section: unreferenced accusations against living people in drug trading and murder is a blatant violation of WP:BLP Alex Bakharev ( talk) 12:01, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Removal of a whole section on a made up charge that 'it is unreferenced', when everyone can see the reference it contains, is a clear violation of wikipedia principles, and borders of vandalism. It is unbecoming of an administrator. 'Accusations of drug trading and murder' are your exaggerations of what the section contains. It uses no such words, and its contents are no more or less than the text it contains. All based on quotations of participants in the events. People can judge for themselves what they think of it without your subjective interpretation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unveiled ( talk • contribs) 02:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia policies are that 'more detailed references' must be provided than 'a single footnote' which can be 'missed'?. 'Direct links' must be provided to 'pages with negative statements' (and who is to judge what is a negative statement)?. 'Footnote the most strong accusation' - and are you going to define what these are? This is nonsense.
Now have a look at wikipedia pages, say the present one. How many references do you see directly linked to statements on the page? In the way you are suggesting this section should be referenced?
Sounds like you have a personal agenda. If there is any 'genuine' interest from people concerning specific statements in this section, I can provide them.
I do not need to write anything about Valerii Perevozchikov, that is also not a WP rule. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unveiled ( talk • contribs) 03:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
People can judge for themselves whether what you wrote above is 'friendly advice'.
The statement you quote is indeed negative and I can supply a page quote, but that is not the end of the story. You will then want me to prove Perevozchikov's credibility and every other little detail. The book has come out a while ago - he has written several on Vysotsky. They all contain quotes from conversations with the direct participants - the people I named on the list. He has not been sued. Its freely available - I had provided a link to the online version. If you cant read Russian use babelfish. For some reason you only want to challenge this particular source in a selective fashion. If you can find any indications that Perevozchikov has been sued for defamation, post it. Do your own research.
Then you say you see 'many' references linked directly to statements on the page. Now this is dishonest. There are 2. Once I discover a dishonesty I dont discuss further. Goodbye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unveiled ( talk • contribs) 04:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Since a number of people have taken an interest in this section, accompanied by some fairly frayed reactions let me say more.
The first point, which has not been addressed, but which bothered me when writing this contribution is, is there a need for a separate section entitled 'circumstances of death' in an encyclopoedic article? My reasons for are the following: there is a lot of (mis)information and speculation on this subject - much of which has mislead me in the past, with fairly drastic consequences to how one should regard the phenomenon of Vysotsky and the Soviet period as a whole. Some of these are present in previous versions of the current page. To wit, Vysotsky died either of a heart attack (possibly due to alcoholism) but in any case brought about by mistreatment by Soviet authorities. There are other rumours, such as 'the ambulance deliberately arrived late because the authorities wanted him dead'. And yet when you read Perevozchikov's books (or indeed Zolotukhins), here is a picture of a man living as if there is no iron curtain. He can travel to Paris or Tahiti on a whim - when most Soviet citizens can't even exit the country once. He can travel far above the speed limit in the wrong lane while drunk, crash, and get away with it by inviting the investigating superintendent with family to a party at his flat. He can obtain narcotics regularly and not be punished - in a society where narctotics were so rare most people weren't aware of what they are and their effect on the human body - which is why his Russian concert audience in his latter years mostly did not understand what is wrong with him.
The second point is Vysotsky's songs. They are not ABBA songs, where it could be argued the character traits of the singers/composers are not relevant to their artistry. They are what is termed in the article 'bard songs' - their closest relatives in English are the protest songs of Bob Dylan and the like. Many are deeply personal, about society, about how one should behave towards friends, in short about morals. So the question of the author's personal behaviour in this regard is relevant, and can not be termed mere voyeurism. It’s a bit like if Bob Dylan were a member of the KKK, that would be relevant.
Then there is the issue of the author's , Valery Perevozchikov's, credibility. I would not waste my time writing hearsay far removed from the truth about an iconic Soviet phenomenon such as Vysotsky. But the text, for anyone who can read Russian, is highly believable. It is not a rant or demagogeury. It is peppered with quotes from first hand sources, the authors main contribution is to put them on a time-line and tie them all together. And almost all facts do indeed fit - subject to the slight variability in peoples memory, that one indeed always encounters. And they fit with Zolotukhin's recollections - which being a diary are also a highly valuable source. Perevozchikov does not try to deliberately tarnish Vysotsky's legacy, in fact all material is presented tactfully in an understanding fashion. He tries to avoid conflict. Yet the overall picture is as presented in this section. To date none of the characters that are indeed alive has filed for defamation.
Now a reference that "Vysotskys associates had all put in efforts to supply his drug habit" (there are many quotes of different people mentioning individuals separately, but this quote of Oksana puts it succinctly). I quote the Russian
[2] and translate:
В.Шехтман: "Приезжаю в театр. Володя дал мне два маленьких флакончика закручивающихся и говорит: Чеши к Толику Федотову! Толика на месте нет, я - обратно: Володя, Толика нет. Он звонит, Толик появился... Давай еще раз. Я еще раз туда и обратно. При мне в уборной - раз! ввел наркотик! - пошел доигрывать..." 13 июля - "Гамлет". Оксана: "Володя играл, я его ждала. Посылал ли он кого-нибудь? Наверное... Тогда мы все были в состоянии "боевой готовности" - в любой момент мчаться куда-то. Но я - гораздо меньше, чем ребята. Они же все это доставали..."
V. Shekhtman: "I arrived at the theater. Vladimir gave me two small containers and said: off with you to Anatolii Fedotov! Anatolii was not at his place, I returned - "Vladimir, Anatolii is not there". He rings, Anatolii answered .. "Come on, go again". Once more I went and came back. In my presence in the toilet he - in one go, injected the narcotic! - went on to finish the play .."
13 of july its "Hamlet".
Oksana Afanas'eva: "Vladimir performed, I awaited him. Did he send anyone? Perhaps.. At that time we were all in a state of "high alert", ready to hurry-off at a moments notice. But I - much less than the guys. They procured all that stuff ..."
One can hardly have doubts regarding the authenticity of V. Perevozchikov, he is highly regarded in Russian literary circles. One can find many references on the Russian internet praising the quality of his work. Here is an example
[3]
Unveiled (
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I find this sentence a bit non encyclopedic: Fueled by Marina's exotic status as a Frenchwoman in the Soviet Union, and Vladimir's unmatched popularity in his country, their love was passionate and impulsive.
I mean, it might be true that their love was passionate and impulsive, but I feel it should have references. And about the origins of this passion, I guess it's only for them to say if it was connected to their public status (a quote could work here). Udi Raz ( talk) 14:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I use a translator. To answer some questions. 1) Vysotsky died due to a weak heart. Heart was weak from birth. 2) The religiosity is unknown. The book is written by Marina Vlady that Vysotskky not believe in God..
specify your e-mail. I will answer the other questions and help with the discography.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.162.4.123 ( talk) 08:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
@Galassi. This tells: "His father, Semyon Volfovich (Vladimirovich) (1915–1997), was a Jewish colonel in the army originally from Kiev." Which Army? Who originated from Kiev, his father or the Army? What does it mean "Jewish"? Religion, ethnicity or something else? Which exactly sources support this assertion? My very best wishes ( talk) 16:03, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
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What is the copyright status of his audio recordings? I translated the main theme song from "The Last Burglar" (Здравствуйте, наши добрые зрители... and Вот что, жизнь прекрасна, товарищи...) but I can't find any info about his estate (if any). Would it be OK to upload my own performance of his (translated) song onto Wikimedia? If not, would it be OK to link to the external media? melikamp ( talk) 04:19, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
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No insult intended, this is probably the worst article on Wikipedia I've ever read. This reads more like a never ending biography for a library than an article for an encyclopedia. 178.191.180.14 ( talk) 16:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)