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The second sentence here:
took me more than one reading to work out what it appears to mean - that Lilya Brik wrote to Stalin (about Mayakovsky?) - perhaps it could be rephrased to something like:
I'm hesitating to make the chagne myself because I'm still not 100% sure. Palmiro | Talk 18:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
It is unclear why Lilya Brik is his widow. There is no mention of marriage in the main text. When did they marry?
Guys, be careful here. Lilya was never Mayakovskiy's wife (despite this fact she always insisted that she was his widow de facto).
For God's sake, guys, what is this stuff? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22elli+jones%22+mayakovsky+-%22on+a+lecture+tour%22+-wikipedia&btnG=Search Not a single page on the internet except those at wikipedia and forums discussing pages thereof and gained knowledge therefrom. --Dennis Elli Jones' daughter is Yelena V. Mayakovskya http://www.peterlang.com/download/datasheet/45506/datasheet_65783.pdf --jimknock
The photo seems a little funky. It seems to be the right half of this taken with Frida Kahlo. One of them has been reversed. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=415723575159941&set=a.405092536223045.93125.405001542898811&type=1&ref=nf --jimknock — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimknock ( talk • contribs) 20:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
I am removing vandalism on Mayakovsky's ethnicity. Any claims should be supported by serious references. ISasha ( talk) 05:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Володя внимательно выслушал мой рассказ. Он знал только бабушку Евдокию Никаноровну. О других сказал: - Я никого не видел и не знаю... What a great reason to name Mayakovsky an ethnic Ukrainian! ISasha ( talk) 11:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Mayakovsky had no heir among Russian poets and his style was never properly analysed nor further developed.
It's too arguable. Mayakovsky was too famous, his writings joined school program and he deeply influenced Soviet poetry. For instance, Yevtushenko said As a poet, I wanted to mix something from Mayakovsky and Yesenin. [2] Such Mayakovsk's novelties as sophisticated rhymes and brocken rythm differ Russian poetry before and after him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KonstKaras ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC) On other hand, he hade no exact clones/imitators, but himself hardly could like them. KonstKaras ( talk) 19:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Idealist707 ( talk) 11:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
The Legacy section goes downhill with the discussion of Carmelo Bene. What is sourced from there on is promotional in nature. -- Ronz ( talk) 21:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Any problems with the subsequent trimming and slight restructuring? I still think it's too much of a list and too little about his influence and legacy. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:17, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Changed His father was of
Ukrainian Cossack descent, and his mother was of
Kuban Cossacks descent. - to a better sourced version (Russian father, Ukrainian mother). You see, the book cited,
Mayakovsky Remembered by the contemporaries, is helpful in many ways but if there is one thing these "contemporaries": fail to enlighten us upon is, unfortunately, his parents' ethnicity. Well, at least I, having plodded through the larger part of this set of memoirs, found no mention of it. The reason why I picked up on this particular detail is that several other sources state the opposite: his father was Russian and mother, Pavlenko, Ukrainian. Mayakovsky himself stated: "I was born in the Caucasus, my father is a Cossack, my mother is Ukrainian. My mother tongue is Georgian. Thus three cultures are united in me."
Still, the 'Russian father/Ukrainian mother' version (which I chose for the obvious reason of it being better sourced) still looks dubious, since it remains unclear which (in regional terms) kind of a Cossack Mayakovsky-Sr. was. If indeed a Zaporozhian Cossack (and the mentioning of the Danilevsky line suggests he might have well been), then there is every reason to regard the poet an ethnic Ukrainian.
More sources would be welcome to disentangle this knot. --
Evermore2 (
talk) 23:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Any Russian readers that could Romanize the Cyrillic in the article (particularly titles of works) as per [ [3]]?
-- Goodpoints ( talk) 15:03, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
You've got to be kidding me with this stuff. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
More than half this article is sourced from random Russian sites with no provided translation or evidence of reliability. Especially when there are numerous academic and popular biographies published in English. (and I presume Russian)
And need I really say anything about the russapedia.rt and Haaretz articles? [6] [7]
Not the place for conspiracy theories regarding his death. WP:FRINGE/PS
-- Goodpoints ( talk) 15:03, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
A mammoth pile of facts (and, lets face it, ideological nonsense too), so, surely, the English-language academia-related contributions would be most welcome. -- Evermore2 ( talk) 19:32, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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Yes, Christian name followed by patronymic is how someone is referenced in Russian. But this is English Wikipedia, wherein historical personages are referenced in their article by their surname only, or by whichever mononym typically designates them. Nuttyskin ( talk) 19:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
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The second sentence here:
took me more than one reading to work out what it appears to mean - that Lilya Brik wrote to Stalin (about Mayakovsky?) - perhaps it could be rephrased to something like:
I'm hesitating to make the chagne myself because I'm still not 100% sure. Palmiro | Talk 18:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
It is unclear why Lilya Brik is his widow. There is no mention of marriage in the main text. When did they marry?
Guys, be careful here. Lilya was never Mayakovskiy's wife (despite this fact she always insisted that she was his widow de facto).
For God's sake, guys, what is this stuff? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22elli+jones%22+mayakovsky+-%22on+a+lecture+tour%22+-wikipedia&btnG=Search Not a single page on the internet except those at wikipedia and forums discussing pages thereof and gained knowledge therefrom. --Dennis Elli Jones' daughter is Yelena V. Mayakovskya http://www.peterlang.com/download/datasheet/45506/datasheet_65783.pdf --jimknock
The photo seems a little funky. It seems to be the right half of this taken with Frida Kahlo. One of them has been reversed. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=415723575159941&set=a.405092536223045.93125.405001542898811&type=1&ref=nf --jimknock — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimknock ( talk • contribs) 20:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
I am removing vandalism on Mayakovsky's ethnicity. Any claims should be supported by serious references. ISasha ( talk) 05:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Володя внимательно выслушал мой рассказ. Он знал только бабушку Евдокию Никаноровну. О других сказал: - Я никого не видел и не знаю... What a great reason to name Mayakovsky an ethnic Ukrainian! ISasha ( talk) 11:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Mayakovsky had no heir among Russian poets and his style was never properly analysed nor further developed.
It's too arguable. Mayakovsky was too famous, his writings joined school program and he deeply influenced Soviet poetry. For instance, Yevtushenko said As a poet, I wanted to mix something from Mayakovsky and Yesenin. [2] Such Mayakovsk's novelties as sophisticated rhymes and brocken rythm differ Russian poetry before and after him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KonstKaras ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC) On other hand, he hade no exact clones/imitators, but himself hardly could like them. KonstKaras ( talk) 19:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Idealist707 ( talk) 11:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
The Legacy section goes downhill with the discussion of Carmelo Bene. What is sourced from there on is promotional in nature. -- Ronz ( talk) 21:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Any problems with the subsequent trimming and slight restructuring? I still think it's too much of a list and too little about his influence and legacy. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:17, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Changed His father was of
Ukrainian Cossack descent, and his mother was of
Kuban Cossacks descent. - to a better sourced version (Russian father, Ukrainian mother). You see, the book cited,
Mayakovsky Remembered by the contemporaries, is helpful in many ways but if there is one thing these "contemporaries": fail to enlighten us upon is, unfortunately, his parents' ethnicity. Well, at least I, having plodded through the larger part of this set of memoirs, found no mention of it. The reason why I picked up on this particular detail is that several other sources state the opposite: his father was Russian and mother, Pavlenko, Ukrainian. Mayakovsky himself stated: "I was born in the Caucasus, my father is a Cossack, my mother is Ukrainian. My mother tongue is Georgian. Thus three cultures are united in me."
Still, the 'Russian father/Ukrainian mother' version (which I chose for the obvious reason of it being better sourced) still looks dubious, since it remains unclear which (in regional terms) kind of a Cossack Mayakovsky-Sr. was. If indeed a Zaporozhian Cossack (and the mentioning of the Danilevsky line suggests he might have well been), then there is every reason to regard the poet an ethnic Ukrainian.
More sources would be welcome to disentangle this knot. --
Evermore2 (
talk) 23:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Any Russian readers that could Romanize the Cyrillic in the article (particularly titles of works) as per [ [3]]?
-- Goodpoints ( talk) 15:03, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
You've got to be kidding me with this stuff. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
More than half this article is sourced from random Russian sites with no provided translation or evidence of reliability. Especially when there are numerous academic and popular biographies published in English. (and I presume Russian)
And need I really say anything about the russapedia.rt and Haaretz articles? [6] [7]
Not the place for conspiracy theories regarding his death. WP:FRINGE/PS
-- Goodpoints ( talk) 15:03, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
A mammoth pile of facts (and, lets face it, ideological nonsense too), so, surely, the English-language academia-related contributions would be most welcome. -- Evermore2 ( talk) 19:32, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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Yes, Christian name followed by patronymic is how someone is referenced in Russian. But this is English Wikipedia, wherein historical personages are referenced in their article by their surname only, or by whichever mononym typically designates them. Nuttyskin ( talk) 19:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)