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What would you guys say if we moved it to a different more encyclopedic title, something along the lines of Vladimir Lenin monument, Kiev or even Monuments to Vladimir Lenin in Kiev. It would be a much broader article, with lists, photos and many notable examples (see Teatralna (Kiev Metro). Right now, this article is too narrow, and just represents a fraction of what those articles might contain. DDima 05:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Why "last"? There are still several Lenin statues in Kiev. So, edit the title, please — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.244.129.168 ( talk) 20:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
DDima, Lvivske and Yulia Romero, I moved the page per the discussion. It has been out for over a year and never closed. Aleksandr Grigoryev ( talk) 01:04, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
dont have time right now but yuschenko's party issued a statement on it here -- Львівське ( говорити) 20:48, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
According to WP:OR sources of mine people have chopped of pieces of the monument (my source has some at his home...). My source assumed the monument by now must be so completely restored that if they want to resurrect this monument they have to make a new one since my source assumed that the 1946 version of the monument is beyond repair... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 23:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Category Vandalism must be restored. :
1. The destruction of the statue was not sanctioned by the city of Kiev.
2 . Responsibility for organizing the destruction of all the leaders refused Evromaydan .
3. 70 percent of the residents of Kiev condemned this action and recognized it vandalism.
4 . Citizens of Ukraine now collect money to rebuild the destroyed monument.
5. The destruction of the statue, which is a work of art, with a sledgehammer also has preendentov in modern European history and is an act of vandalism.
Based on the foregoing , I Vandalism category that come back . Остроголовый ( talk) 08:41, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Here is the source of collecting money for a statue of Lenin. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] Остроголовый ( talk) 18:56, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
December 2013 events were the destruction of the statue of Lenin, not dismantling. Yushchenko's decree did not provide for the barbaric destruction of works of art. That is why today in Ukraine are safely monuments to Soviet soldiers and monuments leaders of the Soviet state. The main thing is that most of the residents of these cities stand for the preservation of these monuments. Yushchenko has long been the way is not the President of Ukraine. Остроголовый ( talk) 21:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
It's no more vandalism than the removal of statues of Hitler in Germany in 1945. Except, Lenin caused more deaths than Hitler. Even counting just Ukrainians during a single event, the Holodomor has about as many victims as the Holocaust. I can't see how a civilised person could blame Ukrainians for wanting to get rid of communist imagery. KiloByte ( talk) 14:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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What would you guys say if we moved it to a different more encyclopedic title, something along the lines of Vladimir Lenin monument, Kiev or even Monuments to Vladimir Lenin in Kiev. It would be a much broader article, with lists, photos and many notable examples (see Teatralna (Kiev Metro). Right now, this article is too narrow, and just represents a fraction of what those articles might contain. DDima 05:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Why "last"? There are still several Lenin statues in Kiev. So, edit the title, please — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.244.129.168 ( talk) 20:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
DDima, Lvivske and Yulia Romero, I moved the page per the discussion. It has been out for over a year and never closed. Aleksandr Grigoryev ( talk) 01:04, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
dont have time right now but yuschenko's party issued a statement on it here -- Львівське ( говорити) 20:48, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
According to WP:OR sources of mine people have chopped of pieces of the monument (my source has some at his home...). My source assumed the monument by now must be so completely restored that if they want to resurrect this monument they have to make a new one since my source assumed that the 1946 version of the monument is beyond repair... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Fall of the monument to Lenin in Kiev's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "ReferenceA":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 23:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Category Vandalism must be restored. :
1. The destruction of the statue was not sanctioned by the city of Kiev.
2 . Responsibility for organizing the destruction of all the leaders refused Evromaydan .
3. 70 percent of the residents of Kiev condemned this action and recognized it vandalism.
4 . Citizens of Ukraine now collect money to rebuild the destroyed monument.
5. The destruction of the statue, which is a work of art, with a sledgehammer also has preendentov in modern European history and is an act of vandalism.
Based on the foregoing , I Vandalism category that come back . Остроголовый ( talk) 08:41, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Here is the source of collecting money for a statue of Lenin. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] Остроголовый ( talk) 18:56, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
December 2013 events were the destruction of the statue of Lenin, not dismantling. Yushchenko's decree did not provide for the barbaric destruction of works of art. That is why today in Ukraine are safely monuments to Soviet soldiers and monuments leaders of the Soviet state. The main thing is that most of the residents of these cities stand for the preservation of these monuments. Yushchenko has long been the way is not the President of Ukraine. Остроголовый ( talk) 21:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
It's no more vandalism than the removal of statues of Hitler in Germany in 1945. Except, Lenin caused more deaths than Hitler. Even counting just Ukrainians during a single event, the Holodomor has about as many victims as the Holocaust. I can't see how a civilised person could blame Ukrainians for wanting to get rid of communist imagery. KiloByte ( talk) 14:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC)