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How is his name pronounced? Can anybody make a recording or describe phonetically?-- Sonjaaa 22:16, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
I think his name is simply "Anand", and Viswanathan is his father's name, used alongside Anand's name for disambiguation purposes. This works sort of like Icelandic names, e.g. " Björk Guðmundsdóttir" (see Icelandic name and Björk#Her_name). Anand has simply gotten used to people calling him "Vishy" thinking that Viswanathan is his first name, and he goes along with it. His father Viswanathan sometimes gets called "Mr. Anand" by non-Indian chessplayers and is amused by the whole thing. A cite and correction in the article would be nice. In fact maybe the article should be renamed "Anand (chess player)". Phr 03:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Should we add the results for Anand in big chess tournaments such as Corus, Dortmund, Linares? Very impressive I think Tac ke 11:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
In the header, change the date to 1997 from 1994, since http://chess.eusa.ed.ac.uk/Chess/Trivia/AlltimeList.html shows Anand was rated as low as 6 on July 1996 FIDE rating list.
The new image is okay, but I personally prefer the old one. Was the old image replaced for copyvio concerns or the like, or just because you thought the new image was better? If the latter, maybe we could include both images in the article? Neilc 04:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
The article claims:
I find this a little hard to believe; he may certainly play fairly quickly, but I'd be amazed if he was consistently able to beat the other top players in the world "at blitz speed" in non-blitz play. Does anyone have a reference for this claim? Neilc 08:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
I'll look for some references and updates on the subject of his play speed. He attracted some early attention by playing very fast, but I think I recall some material saying that this only worked "about low grandmaster level, and that he did have to slow down to play championship level chess". Playing quickly without risking time trouble is also different from "blitz speed", so we should review the article to avoid over-embellishing. TaoPhoenix 00:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I think the point of the line is to say that he's the strongest player since Fischer to come from a country where there was no influence on chess from the Soviet sport authority. I know that Bulgaria was once a satellite of the Soviet Union but I don't know how much influence the Soviet sport authority had there, but the point is that you could now say that Kasparov is another example of a "rival non-Soviet" since he's Armenian and not Russian. Clearly, that's not what this part of the intro is trying to express.
It could definitely be worded more clearly though. Any ideas? ⟳ausa کui × 00:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the ending of the sample game. In the continuation 39. Nd7 Be7 40. Nxe5 dxe5 41. Qf7 h6 42. Qe8+ 1-0 the move 39. Nd7 cannot be made with the knights situated where they are. Perhaps the contributors could review the entire game to see what needs fixing. Eclecticology 17:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I think his importance rating for the chess project should be "Top", because:
Of course if he wins, that will cinch "top importance". Bubba73 (talk), 18:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Over the past few days I have been engaged in a bit of an edit war with an anon over the removal and addition of a few Youtube videos [1]. My rationale for removing these videos is:
⟳ausa کui × 12:24, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi there Ryan - what is your chess rating please?
Here is what I have written about this earlier:
'Vandelism' term being banded around - by non-domain experts - could be construed as Libel
It is funny that as an Internationally rated chess player, annotating the four key decisive wins of Anand in the Mexico City tournament (where he recently became Chess world champion) is described as "Vandalism" by Ryan Delaney, and then stamped in the history of edits of the Anand page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viswanathan_Anand
Is Wiki so full of itself now, that it does not recognise the International chess rating system, and basically *Anonymous* people in the Chess world can report "Vandalism" which is actually the work of Internationally rated chess players? What is Ryan Delaney's chess rating?! Why is he a self-declared judge on chess content - or mutlimedia game annotations?!
Perhaps in the definition of "Vandalism" it is important to recognise the subject domain - and seek to find authorities within that domain. The current emphasis seems to be on people such as Ryan Delaney as a self-declared authority in Chess labelling things as "Vandalism" when in fact it is he who is purpetrating Vandalism by the content link removals.
Again, I am left disappointed for where Wiki is going, and I think it is almost libellous how the term "Vandalism" is being implied to the history section of certain documents. Vandalism applied to the content of domain experts - this is where I question whether Wiki is heading for disaster - because this my frends is starting to become libellous - make no mistake about it. When you start abusing domain experts and calling them vandals, I would suggest is not a very good path to tread on.
In the case in question, I uploaded multimedia game annnotations of the four decisive wins of Anand on youtube. Does Wiki have a place for multimedia videos? If so, where is it? If not, what is the harm of using the External links section of the Anand page to have links to those multimedia annotations? One of my vidoes is featured on chessgames.com - their consultation rest of world game. Most of my videos get 5 star ratings on youtube. I am a qualified chess player, and my videos are enjoyed by many. And yet I am accused of vandalism, by putting links to my multimedia game annotations. Is this fair?
Check my Youtube videos for yourselves:-
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kingscrusher
In a more direct answer to points 1-3 raised by Ryan Delaney:
Kingscrusher 15:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Note - We are all individual wikipedians here, and we are all Equal when it comes to article development. A wikipedian having an ELO rating of 0 is having as much rights as the one who has 2900 points. We are not competing here. We are building an encyclopedia here. Please see WP:NOT to see what Wikipedia is NOT. I completely agree with Ryan, that these Youtube external links have to be removed. If these are not removed, then virtually thousands of Anand's games can be added and there is no end to it. - KNM Talk 16:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a little inconsistency I've noticed. Anand is listed on his page as having been born in "Chennai" in 1969. However, no such place existed in 1969--the city was known by its former name of Madras. Which is fine, but we have another grandmaster, Viktor Korchnoi, listed as having been born in "Leningrad" in 1931. Seems to me we should be consistent and either list these guys by the name of the cities at their birth (Madras and Leningrad) or both by the current names (Chennai and St. Petersburg). 74.251.200.217 ( talk) 07:07, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The page says Anand is the undisputed World Champion. That means he won the title in a World Championship match. The match with title-holder Kramnik, as of the time of my writing this, is still ongoing. Kramnik seized the title from Kasparov, and has yet to be defeated in match play, which is the only way (barring death or something else obviously unavoidable) that the title can leave his hands. Granted, Anand is leading in the match as of today (20 October 2008), but until it is concluded, Kramnik holds Steinitz's crown that he seized from Kasparov.
Perhaps I should spell it out to make sure Anand's name isn't on there without me forgetting:
Kramnik > Kasparov - Kasparov > Karpov - Karpov > Korchnoi (unavoidable circumstance of Fischer refusal) Fischer > Spassky - Spassky > Petrosian - Petrosian > Botvinnik - Botvinnik > Tal - Tal > Botvinnik - Botvinnik > Smyslov - Smyslov > Botvinnik - Botvinnik > Euwe* (death of Alekhine, match-tmnt of 1948) - Alekhine > Euwe - Euwe > Alekhine - Alekhine > Capablanca - Capablanca > Em.Lasker - Em.Lasker > Steinitz - Steinitz > Zukertort (traditional first WC match) -
No, I don't see an "Anand >" anybody on that list. He last played a World Championship match in 1995 against Kasparov, and lost. This is his only other WC match, currently ongoing. No WC match wins. Therefore, no title. This is indisputable, unless some match took place that was held in secret, or I'm completely obvlivious to it.
As it stands, this article is being pre-emptive and predicting a future Anand win (which I'd like to see) to an ongoing sporting competition. This is beyond inappropriate. Smyslov ( talk) 17:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't know much about chess, but I'm a vegetarian, and I've heard Anand is too. Is this correct? Shouldn't this fact be mentioned in the article? It sure goes a long way to explain his mental superiority. (preceding unsigned comment by 62.73.248.37 ( talk))
I've removed the paragraph on his brother and sister from the "personal" section. I can't find a relevant Wikipedia policy, but it seems to me pretty rare to put siblings' info in Wikipedia articles (except in cases where the whole family is famous), and it seems to be pushing the bounds of privacy. Peter Ballard ( talk) 02:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Someone please check the edits made today by 122.161.145.28 in "personal life". Bubba73 (talk), 18:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Done
I've just added more chess diagrams. They can be viewed on the article, but for anyone who wants a laugh for the first one...
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If you want to read it, either go to the article by this link or turn your computer screen upside down. Ho ho. -- 116.14.27.127 ( talk) 13:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I heard he belongs to an Indian-Jewish family. Is this true?
After the win at the last game of the World Championship, Anand is now ranked third in the world with a rating of 2800 (2799.8, actually).
Navneethc ( talk) 20:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Can some expert please update the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Methods_for_comparing_top_chess_players_throughout_history which talks about the method of rating the greatest players. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.213.77 ( talk) 19:26, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I think this sentence in the article (While not nearly as highly regarded as greats such as Garry Kasparov or Bobby Fischer) is unfair to a world champion from 4 years that is one of the top 3 o 4 players in the world from 20 years. Anand is for sure one of the greatest of all time, no doubt about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.165.65.169 ( talk) 15:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes, he is one of the greatest. The reason is that he single-handedly rose to the top, without the benefit of the resources as in the case of Kasparaov or Fischer or Karpov or others. He rose to the top because of superior talent, not because of superior preparation. The only modern player with a superior record than Anand is Kasparov (who happens to have a superior record relative to pretty much everyone else). Finally, Anand never played dirty tricks to win. Remember that Karpov's victory over Anand in 1998 was unfair because Karpov was given all kinds of unfair privileges. Similarly, Kasparov would use all kinds of off-the-board dirty tricks to win. Not Anand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.202.30.235 ( talk) 06:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Can we remove that, at least from the lead? Personally I think it's a pretty meaningless statistic (in comparison to all his other achievements). If he was the oldest world #1 that might be of interest, but that honour belongs to Kasparov (though of course Anand might still beat that in the future). Peter Ballard ( talk) 12:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
While we're on the subject of stats in the lead, I don't think this one is too significant either. Seeing as how the tournament and knockout formats are both fairly recent innovations for the world championship (1948 excepted, of course), very few other players have had the chance to achieve this feat. Strikes me as just a bit of trivia.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 11:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I disagree. This fact is important for three reasons. First, many current top players had the same opportunities as Anand in attempting to win the championship in different formats. They didn't succeed. Second, it demonstrates Anand's versatility. Finally, a highly respected player, commentator and opinion maker, Lubomir Kavalek, has mentioned this fact many times as a sign of Anand's strength. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.164.220 ( talk) 06:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
"Anand is also popularly known as the 'Tiger of Madras'.[1]" I am moving this line from the beginning to deep into the article. It is in no way a "popular" nickname (actually this is the first time I am hearing this) and does not deserve to be near the top of the article. Tintin 01:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Since there have only been 6 undisputed champtions since ratings were introduced, I don't find this to be particularly significant. I propose deleting this unless a reliable source can be produced showing this is significant. (e.g. "XXX congratulated Anand on being the 4th World champion to also be #1", something like that). Adpete ( talk) 23:35, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Done Adpete ( talk) 02:27, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I have just noticed that there are two dark squared bishops on the diagram of the sample game - one on f8 and another one on c1
The claim that Viswanathan Anand is not the champion's correct name in English ("Anand Viswanathan, often wrongly referred Viswanathan Anand") needs a reliable source. I actually think this claim is false. The issue of name order is already dealt with in the Template:Indian name hatnote. It seems to me that by this editor's logic, nearly every Indian biography should say "wrongly referred". Quale ( talk) 23:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
His article currently shows that he won in 2000, 2007, 2008, 2010, and 2012.
But the frontpage shows says that he has won his fourth consequitive. Please to explain. 96.50.10.234 ( talk) 01:26, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
[quote]Otherwise, he took advantage of the rule allowing players in time trouble to use dashes instead of the move notation during the last four minutes only once, in the game Anand versus Svidler at the MTel Masters 2006.[quote] WTF does this mean???
This is regards to the "concern" of Quale. For the sake of record, I'm one of the early Wikipedians (18th or so) and I was sick at certain times as people were doing "Google Test" and start removing my edits. Then some people came from South India and supported me. I'm not sure if that "culture" still persists here; but that's a big curse of openness and possessive edits.
Regarding the naming, here are the proofs (even if there's no proof, please note that it's a commonsense here in South India):
That’s right. I’m Anand. My father is Vishwanathan. At some point people assumed that this must be my first name and Anand must be my last name. It’s common in the West. Vishwanathan was unpronounceable for them. Became Vishy.
But my father is Vishwanathan Krishnamurthy. I am Anand Vishwanathan. Of course, my wife is Aruna Anand. So among the mysteries we have to explain to many people is, though we are married, why we don’t share the same family name. - http://www.indianexpress.com/storyOld.php?storyId=38320&spf
And http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1416
HTH -- Rrjanbiah ( talk) 05:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
He clearly says "I’m Anand...I am Anand Vishwanathan..." and also says western people misunderstood. Then, how that cannot be wrong? Most of the info on South India are not available in internet and even if so, not in English. That's pathetic being a Wikipedian and adding South Indian information. For everything else refer Indian_name#Initials -- Rrjanbiah ( talk) 08:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
As of the July 2011 FIDE ratings, Magnus Carlsen is World #1 with a 2821 rating. Anand is second with 2817. This information is also grossly wrong on the FIDE World Rankings wikipedia page. (it lists Magnus as #2 with a 2827 rating?) 69.224.41.179 ( talk) 18:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Anand's FIDE Chess Profile says his GM title year was 1985. This is of course wrong, and our article has 1988 which is the correct year. (Another editor just fixed the infobox.) Anand earned the FM and IM titles in 1985. Although his rating reached 2500 in 1987, he didn't complete the norm requirements until the following year. It's unfortunate that FIDE can't provide accurate information on its website. Quale ( talk) 16:08, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
http://moscow2012.fide.com/en/presentation/25-anand Abhishikt ( talk) 16:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
This is rather debatable, considering Kasparov later offered Gelfand help in his match against Anand in 2012. Toccata quarta ( talk) 10:41, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Just wondering if the University of Hyderabad offered a specific degree, if any are immediate source for. I would think the reasonable specifics would be Physical Education or Computer Science for performance at chess, if that was the grounds. 204.108.237.194 ( talk) 23:53, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
One IP editor has recently restored the old and contested (by User:Ihardlythinkso and me) version of the lead of this article. Here it is:
So, what are the problems with this version of the lead? First of all, per WP:LEADLENGTH, the lead of this article should usually have three or four paragraphs, but the contested lead has five. Second, "is widely considered the strongest rapid player in history" would need a good amount of sources, per WP:REDFLAG. Presently, the lead has "of his generation". The second source for that says, "Mr. Anand, for more than ten years you have been the world's best rapid chess player", which does not support the "in history" claim. The other source says "A strong claim can be made that he is the greatest rapid player of all time." However, that does not support the "widely" claim. Third, the lead is supposed to be a summary of an article's body, but in this case it is straying into the realm of "excessive detail" (see WP:LEAD and WP:FA?). Fourth, the contested paragraph is already included in the section "Assessment". Fifth, "Anand has been described by many of his peers (e.g., Vladimir Kramnik) as probably one of the greatest talents in chess history" is supported by one reference, an interview with Kramnik. "Kramnik" is not synonymous with "many of his peers". Sixth, it has been the practice in the articles related to WP:CHESS to use descriptions such as "widely considered one of the greatest chess players ever" only in a few select articles, such as Emanuel Lasker, José Raúl Capablanca or Alexander Alekhine. Articles such as Max Euwe and Tigran Petrosian contain no such claim in their respective leads, even though both players were world champions.
Comments from other editors are welcome. Thanks, Toccata quarta ( talk) 06:04, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the removal of "praise for Anand" from the lead. While the lead can be shortened and presented compactly, the praise aspect has to be present for a player of Anand's stature and impact. The fact that Anand is a colossal talent is not just opinion of one player, Kramnik, but is also recognized by several other GMs such as Nigel Short and Kavalek. Kasparov himself said that "had Anand trained with the Soviets he would have been a world champion much earlier". While Max Euwe and Tigran Petrosian were world champions, they didn't win it 5 times against a variety of the top players at the time and in 4 different formats. I don't think you understand chess well enough to appreciate what Anand has accomplished. Anand is the only player to have won the world champion 5 times besides Karpov and Kasparov.
Lets shorten the length of the praise for Anand in the lead, but for heaven's sake and for the sake of chess, let the article reflect what the chess community thinks of Anand as a player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.63.2 ( talk) 08:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Why is his signature in this article? I don't think it's relevant to anything and I suspect it's not a good idea to publish anyone's signature anyway.-- Grondilu ( talk) 23:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
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In recent years, aside from Magnus Carlsen, Anand has noted Levon Aronian as a "problematic opponent" for him. I think his lifetime record against him should also be listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qed ( talk • contribs) 01:29, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
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In the "Assesment" section it says: "FIDE Present Kirsan Ilyumzhinov". It should say "FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov". Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:10, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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"One of the best of all time" is not the same as saying "the greatest of all time", an easy distinction to make for any competent English speaker. The phrasing is actually quite mild considering Anand's achievements. Ample evidence to justify the statement is provided within the body of the article. The persistent edit warring by this IP is becoming a real pest. MaxBrowne ( talk) 03:47, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Kasparov and Fischer are considered to be the greatest of all time. Capablanca, Alekhine who are slightly less than the former will be considered "one of the best players of all time". But anand, Topalov, Kramnik are players who are really good.
But terming them as one of the best of all time is not proper to say atleast. Since they have lots and lots to achieve to get that trade mark.
@MaxBrowne: Sorry if i had annoyed you. I just felt that there should not be any dramatizing comments in any of wiki's page. Since, this is the information that people are going through and should not be guided wrongly is what my concern is and will be — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vignesh9891 ( talk • contribs) 04:17, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
In this instance I agree with the IP. "One of only nine players in history to surpass a rating of 2800" is enough to convey that he is one of the world's leading players, no need to use subjective or hyperbolic words like "greatest", and "highest rated of all time" doesn't add any new information. MaxBrowne ( talk) 07:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
One of the earliest grandmaster from Asia,as not too much scene was built around chess at that time.
SamyakAnand2002 ( talk) 07:52, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
I removed it from the lead because the sources were poor. Despite the claim above that "Other "best ever" chess players apparently don't need a citation to be acknowledged as "one of the greats" but Vishy does?", the only other post-war champions which mention being among the greatest in the lead are Fischer, Karpov and Kasparov, and all with decent cites. I think that is about right, and even Karpov is debatable, but at least I found a good cite. It is redundant calling a world champion "one of the greatest" - when there have only been 16, they are all "one of the greatest". Adpete ( talk) 23:39, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
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How is his name pronounced? Can anybody make a recording or describe phonetically?-- Sonjaaa 22:16, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
I think his name is simply "Anand", and Viswanathan is his father's name, used alongside Anand's name for disambiguation purposes. This works sort of like Icelandic names, e.g. " Björk Guðmundsdóttir" (see Icelandic name and Björk#Her_name). Anand has simply gotten used to people calling him "Vishy" thinking that Viswanathan is his first name, and he goes along with it. His father Viswanathan sometimes gets called "Mr. Anand" by non-Indian chessplayers and is amused by the whole thing. A cite and correction in the article would be nice. In fact maybe the article should be renamed "Anand (chess player)". Phr 03:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Should we add the results for Anand in big chess tournaments such as Corus, Dortmund, Linares? Very impressive I think Tac ke 11:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
In the header, change the date to 1997 from 1994, since http://chess.eusa.ed.ac.uk/Chess/Trivia/AlltimeList.html shows Anand was rated as low as 6 on July 1996 FIDE rating list.
The new image is okay, but I personally prefer the old one. Was the old image replaced for copyvio concerns or the like, or just because you thought the new image was better? If the latter, maybe we could include both images in the article? Neilc 04:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
The article claims:
I find this a little hard to believe; he may certainly play fairly quickly, but I'd be amazed if he was consistently able to beat the other top players in the world "at blitz speed" in non-blitz play. Does anyone have a reference for this claim? Neilc 08:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
I'll look for some references and updates on the subject of his play speed. He attracted some early attention by playing very fast, but I think I recall some material saying that this only worked "about low grandmaster level, and that he did have to slow down to play championship level chess". Playing quickly without risking time trouble is also different from "blitz speed", so we should review the article to avoid over-embellishing. TaoPhoenix 00:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I think the point of the line is to say that he's the strongest player since Fischer to come from a country where there was no influence on chess from the Soviet sport authority. I know that Bulgaria was once a satellite of the Soviet Union but I don't know how much influence the Soviet sport authority had there, but the point is that you could now say that Kasparov is another example of a "rival non-Soviet" since he's Armenian and not Russian. Clearly, that's not what this part of the intro is trying to express.
It could definitely be worded more clearly though. Any ideas? ⟳ausa کui × 00:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the ending of the sample game. In the continuation 39. Nd7 Be7 40. Nxe5 dxe5 41. Qf7 h6 42. Qe8+ 1-0 the move 39. Nd7 cannot be made with the knights situated where they are. Perhaps the contributors could review the entire game to see what needs fixing. Eclecticology 17:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I think his importance rating for the chess project should be "Top", because:
Of course if he wins, that will cinch "top importance". Bubba73 (talk), 18:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Over the past few days I have been engaged in a bit of an edit war with an anon over the removal and addition of a few Youtube videos [1]. My rationale for removing these videos is:
⟳ausa کui × 12:24, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi there Ryan - what is your chess rating please?
Here is what I have written about this earlier:
'Vandelism' term being banded around - by non-domain experts - could be construed as Libel
It is funny that as an Internationally rated chess player, annotating the four key decisive wins of Anand in the Mexico City tournament (where he recently became Chess world champion) is described as "Vandalism" by Ryan Delaney, and then stamped in the history of edits of the Anand page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viswanathan_Anand
Is Wiki so full of itself now, that it does not recognise the International chess rating system, and basically *Anonymous* people in the Chess world can report "Vandalism" which is actually the work of Internationally rated chess players? What is Ryan Delaney's chess rating?! Why is he a self-declared judge on chess content - or mutlimedia game annotations?!
Perhaps in the definition of "Vandalism" it is important to recognise the subject domain - and seek to find authorities within that domain. The current emphasis seems to be on people such as Ryan Delaney as a self-declared authority in Chess labelling things as "Vandalism" when in fact it is he who is purpetrating Vandalism by the content link removals.
Again, I am left disappointed for where Wiki is going, and I think it is almost libellous how the term "Vandalism" is being implied to the history section of certain documents. Vandalism applied to the content of domain experts - this is where I question whether Wiki is heading for disaster - because this my frends is starting to become libellous - make no mistake about it. When you start abusing domain experts and calling them vandals, I would suggest is not a very good path to tread on.
In the case in question, I uploaded multimedia game annnotations of the four decisive wins of Anand on youtube. Does Wiki have a place for multimedia videos? If so, where is it? If not, what is the harm of using the External links section of the Anand page to have links to those multimedia annotations? One of my vidoes is featured on chessgames.com - their consultation rest of world game. Most of my videos get 5 star ratings on youtube. I am a qualified chess player, and my videos are enjoyed by many. And yet I am accused of vandalism, by putting links to my multimedia game annotations. Is this fair?
Check my Youtube videos for yourselves:-
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kingscrusher
In a more direct answer to points 1-3 raised by Ryan Delaney:
Kingscrusher 15:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Note - We are all individual wikipedians here, and we are all Equal when it comes to article development. A wikipedian having an ELO rating of 0 is having as much rights as the one who has 2900 points. We are not competing here. We are building an encyclopedia here. Please see WP:NOT to see what Wikipedia is NOT. I completely agree with Ryan, that these Youtube external links have to be removed. If these are not removed, then virtually thousands of Anand's games can be added and there is no end to it. - KNM Talk 16:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a little inconsistency I've noticed. Anand is listed on his page as having been born in "Chennai" in 1969. However, no such place existed in 1969--the city was known by its former name of Madras. Which is fine, but we have another grandmaster, Viktor Korchnoi, listed as having been born in "Leningrad" in 1931. Seems to me we should be consistent and either list these guys by the name of the cities at their birth (Madras and Leningrad) or both by the current names (Chennai and St. Petersburg). 74.251.200.217 ( talk) 07:07, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The page says Anand is the undisputed World Champion. That means he won the title in a World Championship match. The match with title-holder Kramnik, as of the time of my writing this, is still ongoing. Kramnik seized the title from Kasparov, and has yet to be defeated in match play, which is the only way (barring death or something else obviously unavoidable) that the title can leave his hands. Granted, Anand is leading in the match as of today (20 October 2008), but until it is concluded, Kramnik holds Steinitz's crown that he seized from Kasparov.
Perhaps I should spell it out to make sure Anand's name isn't on there without me forgetting:
Kramnik > Kasparov - Kasparov > Karpov - Karpov > Korchnoi (unavoidable circumstance of Fischer refusal) Fischer > Spassky - Spassky > Petrosian - Petrosian > Botvinnik - Botvinnik > Tal - Tal > Botvinnik - Botvinnik > Smyslov - Smyslov > Botvinnik - Botvinnik > Euwe* (death of Alekhine, match-tmnt of 1948) - Alekhine > Euwe - Euwe > Alekhine - Alekhine > Capablanca - Capablanca > Em.Lasker - Em.Lasker > Steinitz - Steinitz > Zukertort (traditional first WC match) -
No, I don't see an "Anand >" anybody on that list. He last played a World Championship match in 1995 against Kasparov, and lost. This is his only other WC match, currently ongoing. No WC match wins. Therefore, no title. This is indisputable, unless some match took place that was held in secret, or I'm completely obvlivious to it.
As it stands, this article is being pre-emptive and predicting a future Anand win (which I'd like to see) to an ongoing sporting competition. This is beyond inappropriate. Smyslov ( talk) 17:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't know much about chess, but I'm a vegetarian, and I've heard Anand is too. Is this correct? Shouldn't this fact be mentioned in the article? It sure goes a long way to explain his mental superiority. (preceding unsigned comment by 62.73.248.37 ( talk))
I've removed the paragraph on his brother and sister from the "personal" section. I can't find a relevant Wikipedia policy, but it seems to me pretty rare to put siblings' info in Wikipedia articles (except in cases where the whole family is famous), and it seems to be pushing the bounds of privacy. Peter Ballard ( talk) 02:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Someone please check the edits made today by 122.161.145.28 in "personal life". Bubba73 (talk), 18:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Done
I've just added more chess diagrams. They can be viewed on the article, but for anyone who wants a laugh for the first one...
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If you want to read it, either go to the article by this link or turn your computer screen upside down. Ho ho. -- 116.14.27.127 ( talk) 13:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I heard he belongs to an Indian-Jewish family. Is this true?
After the win at the last game of the World Championship, Anand is now ranked third in the world with a rating of 2800 (2799.8, actually).
Navneethc ( talk) 20:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Can some expert please update the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Methods_for_comparing_top_chess_players_throughout_history which talks about the method of rating the greatest players. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.213.77 ( talk) 19:26, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I think this sentence in the article (While not nearly as highly regarded as greats such as Garry Kasparov or Bobby Fischer) is unfair to a world champion from 4 years that is one of the top 3 o 4 players in the world from 20 years. Anand is for sure one of the greatest of all time, no doubt about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.165.65.169 ( talk) 15:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes, he is one of the greatest. The reason is that he single-handedly rose to the top, without the benefit of the resources as in the case of Kasparaov or Fischer or Karpov or others. He rose to the top because of superior talent, not because of superior preparation. The only modern player with a superior record than Anand is Kasparov (who happens to have a superior record relative to pretty much everyone else). Finally, Anand never played dirty tricks to win. Remember that Karpov's victory over Anand in 1998 was unfair because Karpov was given all kinds of unfair privileges. Similarly, Kasparov would use all kinds of off-the-board dirty tricks to win. Not Anand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.202.30.235 ( talk) 06:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Can we remove that, at least from the lead? Personally I think it's a pretty meaningless statistic (in comparison to all his other achievements). If he was the oldest world #1 that might be of interest, but that honour belongs to Kasparov (though of course Anand might still beat that in the future). Peter Ballard ( talk) 12:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
While we're on the subject of stats in the lead, I don't think this one is too significant either. Seeing as how the tournament and knockout formats are both fairly recent innovations for the world championship (1948 excepted, of course), very few other players have had the chance to achieve this feat. Strikes me as just a bit of trivia.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 11:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I disagree. This fact is important for three reasons. First, many current top players had the same opportunities as Anand in attempting to win the championship in different formats. They didn't succeed. Second, it demonstrates Anand's versatility. Finally, a highly respected player, commentator and opinion maker, Lubomir Kavalek, has mentioned this fact many times as a sign of Anand's strength. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.164.220 ( talk) 06:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
"Anand is also popularly known as the 'Tiger of Madras'.[1]" I am moving this line from the beginning to deep into the article. It is in no way a "popular" nickname (actually this is the first time I am hearing this) and does not deserve to be near the top of the article. Tintin 01:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Since there have only been 6 undisputed champtions since ratings were introduced, I don't find this to be particularly significant. I propose deleting this unless a reliable source can be produced showing this is significant. (e.g. "XXX congratulated Anand on being the 4th World champion to also be #1", something like that). Adpete ( talk) 23:35, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Done Adpete ( talk) 02:27, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I have just noticed that there are two dark squared bishops on the diagram of the sample game - one on f8 and another one on c1
The claim that Viswanathan Anand is not the champion's correct name in English ("Anand Viswanathan, often wrongly referred Viswanathan Anand") needs a reliable source. I actually think this claim is false. The issue of name order is already dealt with in the Template:Indian name hatnote. It seems to me that by this editor's logic, nearly every Indian biography should say "wrongly referred". Quale ( talk) 23:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
His article currently shows that he won in 2000, 2007, 2008, 2010, and 2012.
But the frontpage shows says that he has won his fourth consequitive. Please to explain. 96.50.10.234 ( talk) 01:26, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
[quote]Otherwise, he took advantage of the rule allowing players in time trouble to use dashes instead of the move notation during the last four minutes only once, in the game Anand versus Svidler at the MTel Masters 2006.[quote] WTF does this mean???
This is regards to the "concern" of Quale. For the sake of record, I'm one of the early Wikipedians (18th or so) and I was sick at certain times as people were doing "Google Test" and start removing my edits. Then some people came from South India and supported me. I'm not sure if that "culture" still persists here; but that's a big curse of openness and possessive edits.
Regarding the naming, here are the proofs (even if there's no proof, please note that it's a commonsense here in South India):
That’s right. I’m Anand. My father is Vishwanathan. At some point people assumed that this must be my first name and Anand must be my last name. It’s common in the West. Vishwanathan was unpronounceable for them. Became Vishy.
But my father is Vishwanathan Krishnamurthy. I am Anand Vishwanathan. Of course, my wife is Aruna Anand. So among the mysteries we have to explain to many people is, though we are married, why we don’t share the same family name. - http://www.indianexpress.com/storyOld.php?storyId=38320&spf
And http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1416
HTH -- Rrjanbiah ( talk) 05:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
He clearly says "I’m Anand...I am Anand Vishwanathan..." and also says western people misunderstood. Then, how that cannot be wrong? Most of the info on South India are not available in internet and even if so, not in English. That's pathetic being a Wikipedian and adding South Indian information. For everything else refer Indian_name#Initials -- Rrjanbiah ( talk) 08:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
As of the July 2011 FIDE ratings, Magnus Carlsen is World #1 with a 2821 rating. Anand is second with 2817. This information is also grossly wrong on the FIDE World Rankings wikipedia page. (it lists Magnus as #2 with a 2827 rating?) 69.224.41.179 ( talk) 18:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Anand's FIDE Chess Profile says his GM title year was 1985. This is of course wrong, and our article has 1988 which is the correct year. (Another editor just fixed the infobox.) Anand earned the FM and IM titles in 1985. Although his rating reached 2500 in 1987, he didn't complete the norm requirements until the following year. It's unfortunate that FIDE can't provide accurate information on its website. Quale ( talk) 16:08, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
http://moscow2012.fide.com/en/presentation/25-anand Abhishikt ( talk) 16:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
This is rather debatable, considering Kasparov later offered Gelfand help in his match against Anand in 2012. Toccata quarta ( talk) 10:41, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Just wondering if the University of Hyderabad offered a specific degree, if any are immediate source for. I would think the reasonable specifics would be Physical Education or Computer Science for performance at chess, if that was the grounds. 204.108.237.194 ( talk) 23:53, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
One IP editor has recently restored the old and contested (by User:Ihardlythinkso and me) version of the lead of this article. Here it is:
So, what are the problems with this version of the lead? First of all, per WP:LEADLENGTH, the lead of this article should usually have three or four paragraphs, but the contested lead has five. Second, "is widely considered the strongest rapid player in history" would need a good amount of sources, per WP:REDFLAG. Presently, the lead has "of his generation". The second source for that says, "Mr. Anand, for more than ten years you have been the world's best rapid chess player", which does not support the "in history" claim. The other source says "A strong claim can be made that he is the greatest rapid player of all time." However, that does not support the "widely" claim. Third, the lead is supposed to be a summary of an article's body, but in this case it is straying into the realm of "excessive detail" (see WP:LEAD and WP:FA?). Fourth, the contested paragraph is already included in the section "Assessment". Fifth, "Anand has been described by many of his peers (e.g., Vladimir Kramnik) as probably one of the greatest talents in chess history" is supported by one reference, an interview with Kramnik. "Kramnik" is not synonymous with "many of his peers". Sixth, it has been the practice in the articles related to WP:CHESS to use descriptions such as "widely considered one of the greatest chess players ever" only in a few select articles, such as Emanuel Lasker, José Raúl Capablanca or Alexander Alekhine. Articles such as Max Euwe and Tigran Petrosian contain no such claim in their respective leads, even though both players were world champions.
Comments from other editors are welcome. Thanks, Toccata quarta ( talk) 06:04, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the removal of "praise for Anand" from the lead. While the lead can be shortened and presented compactly, the praise aspect has to be present for a player of Anand's stature and impact. The fact that Anand is a colossal talent is not just opinion of one player, Kramnik, but is also recognized by several other GMs such as Nigel Short and Kavalek. Kasparov himself said that "had Anand trained with the Soviets he would have been a world champion much earlier". While Max Euwe and Tigran Petrosian were world champions, they didn't win it 5 times against a variety of the top players at the time and in 4 different formats. I don't think you understand chess well enough to appreciate what Anand has accomplished. Anand is the only player to have won the world champion 5 times besides Karpov and Kasparov.
Lets shorten the length of the praise for Anand in the lead, but for heaven's sake and for the sake of chess, let the article reflect what the chess community thinks of Anand as a player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.63.2 ( talk) 08:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Why is his signature in this article? I don't think it's relevant to anything and I suspect it's not a good idea to publish anyone's signature anyway.-- Grondilu ( talk) 23:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
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Please change ವಿಶ್ವನಾಥನ್ ಆನಂದ್ to விசுவநாதன் ஆனந்த்.
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In recent years, aside from Magnus Carlsen, Anand has noted Levon Aronian as a "problematic opponent" for him. I think his lifetime record against him should also be listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qed ( talk • contribs) 01:29, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
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In the "Assesment" section it says: "FIDE Present Kirsan Ilyumzhinov". It should say "FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov". Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:10, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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"One of the best of all time" is not the same as saying "the greatest of all time", an easy distinction to make for any competent English speaker. The phrasing is actually quite mild considering Anand's achievements. Ample evidence to justify the statement is provided within the body of the article. The persistent edit warring by this IP is becoming a real pest. MaxBrowne ( talk) 03:47, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Kasparov and Fischer are considered to be the greatest of all time. Capablanca, Alekhine who are slightly less than the former will be considered "one of the best players of all time". But anand, Topalov, Kramnik are players who are really good.
But terming them as one of the best of all time is not proper to say atleast. Since they have lots and lots to achieve to get that trade mark.
@MaxBrowne: Sorry if i had annoyed you. I just felt that there should not be any dramatizing comments in any of wiki's page. Since, this is the information that people are going through and should not be guided wrongly is what my concern is and will be — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vignesh9891 ( talk • contribs) 04:17, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
In this instance I agree with the IP. "One of only nine players in history to surpass a rating of 2800" is enough to convey that he is one of the world's leading players, no need to use subjective or hyperbolic words like "greatest", and "highest rated of all time" doesn't add any new information. MaxBrowne ( talk) 07:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
One of the earliest grandmaster from Asia,as not too much scene was built around chess at that time.
SamyakAnand2002 ( talk) 07:52, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
I removed it from the lead because the sources were poor. Despite the claim above that "Other "best ever" chess players apparently don't need a citation to be acknowledged as "one of the greats" but Vishy does?", the only other post-war champions which mention being among the greatest in the lead are Fischer, Karpov and Kasparov, and all with decent cites. I think that is about right, and even Karpov is debatable, but at least I found a good cite. It is redundant calling a world champion "one of the greatest" - when there have only been 16, they are all "one of the greatest". Adpete ( talk) 23:39, 9 March 2020 (UTC)