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I think this article should be renamed to "2009 protests by Indian students in Australia" and the focus should be tightened. At the moment the article is too open ended, and is prone to creating unsourced conclusions via synthesis. - Borofkin ( talk) 07:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the 'too open ended' point though - I think the article should be just focussed on the period during mid-2009 when this all became an issue, with the protests and media frenzy that occurred within those couple of months or so, before the storm entered a lull for the rest of that year. That period was an important turning point in our relations with India as well as the education industry etc, and it deserves its own article. If editors keep on reworking the lead paragraphs to accommodate the present day's news as part of the 2009 'attacks', and start adding non-students and non-Indians into the mix as someone did recently, then there will no longer be an article specifically about the controversy that started it all. Fswan4 ( talk) 20:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The controversy is about the attacks on Indian student in Australia. One could legitimately debate the extent of racist motive in such attacks or the extent of Indian hype or Australian denialism. Still, the proposed new title would covertly endoring the view that it is about indian hype and not australian denialism. Vapour ( talk) 05:19, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I have tried my best to work out if indian students are being persecuted or not. Here is my work below - would anyone be able to post it for me??
Expected Homicide Rate of Indian Students An expected homicide rate for the Indian student population would be a maximum of 6.6 Males 20-30 if no persecution of Indian students was occurring.
General population Australia 1.2 murders per 100000(2008) - estimated 2009 1.3 per 100,000.www.abs.gov.au
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
Males 15-30 make up 25% of murder victims in Australia and 8% of the population (2008) - estimated murder rate 4.4 per 100,000 http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/3235.0~2008~Main+Features~Main+Features?OpenDocument#PARALINK6
Expected murder rate of Male Indian students aged 20-30 would be = 4.4 * .75 = 3.3 killed per year (assuming males 20-30 make up 75% of the student population or 75,000)
the above figures allow for no influencing factors. Cities / Poor neighborhoods / Working and traveling late at night would be influencing factors. Assume this doubles the risk of murder then at a maximum you would still only expect 6.6 Male 20-30 year old Indian students to be murdered per year.
There where xx? Male Indian students 20-30 murdered in Australia in 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ger876452334 ( talk • contribs) 08:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Why has caste and caste related violence in India been added as related articles to this article. They are totally irrelevant to what is going on in Australia. Is this an attempt to smear Indians? 92.29.34.78 ( talk) 20:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
how silly gregcock. Your abuse of basic stats is akin to soviet propaganda. grow up.
89.242.144.141 ( talk) 00:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
oh dear i actually thought gregcock was made up. didn't realise you were named that. commiserations
92.24.60.204 ( talk) 07:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
About their calls for an Australian cricket ban. I expected better of the ABC than to say that Shiv Sena were responsible for not allowing Pakistani cricketers into India, which is nonsense. Also rather silly that CA officials haven't heard of these people when they once dug up a cricket pitch [1] YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 00:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Should it be clarified that the suspects are two Indian nationals? Ticklemygrits ( talk) 06:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Deindent. Um, So 1/3 of the murders of Indians, in Australia last year, were committed by Indians? Doesn't that make them a tad overrepresented in the murderer statistics? If the Indian murderers hog all the murders what are the the racist Ozzies going to do? Greglocock ( talk) 03:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me that the Outlook article is unusable as a source. The following observation by the SMH has repeatedly been removed by an editor for no very good reason
"The article does not mention that three Indian nationals have been charged with murder in one of the recent cases [1]"
If you actually go and read the article it ledes with " But there’s unanimity on one count: “curry-bashing” is fast becoming the young Australian’s favourite pastime. " Um. really. I don't know many young Australians, buut I doubt 1 in 50 is even aware of the term.
Greglocock ( talk) 04:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Greglocock if you want to discuss crime in India create an article on it or add it to another article. Facts about 32000 Indians killing each other have nothing to do with what is going on in Australia. Furthermore your statement on Indian violence makes no sense. Indian Violence can mean violence perpetrated by Indians or violence over the subject Indian in each instance most if not all of the violence would be committed by Indians . You comments are better suited to the Indophobia article. Its ridiculous that attacks on Indians are supposed to be balanced by negative views of Indians. On that account an attack on an Australian abroad should be balanced with everything that's wrong with Australia 89.242.211.168 ( talk) 14:11, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Deindent - ok I've rebooted as well. The Outlook article is not an RS about the attacks, it is however a good example of the media hysteria. Therefore it should be included in this article. A discussion of the Outlook article by an RS is, to my mind, the raison d'etre of this wiki article. It is ALL about perception. The reality is that Indians are being murdered at the usual rate in Australia (~6 per year for the past 5 years), and that they are much safer here than in India, and that a reasonable proportion of these murders are performed by Indian nationals. But that is not what this article is about. It is about the controversy, not the crimes. Greglocock ( talk) 00:50, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
has any one looked into the possiblity that islamic extreemists espesaly pakistanis might be involved in some of these attacks espesaly the killings. this vary article states that suvivors of these attacks have reported that some of the attackers were middle eastern or asians. pakistanis might be placed in both catagories by difrent people. this expanation needs to be investagated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.111.178 ( talk) 04:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
The article used for citation 65 clearly states that many of the victims attackers were African, so why isn't this mentioned anywhere in the article. Clearly there has been more African attackers than Asians but yet you indicate Asians as one among the groups perpetrating violence against Indians when in fact there are more African attackers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.50.234 ( talk) 22:18, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, there's no mention of Africans in the Background section of the article "Violence against Indians in Australia controversy" as being one of the groups perpetrating the attacks. According to Andrew Bolt there's more attackers of African background than Asian but why isn't it written in the Background section listing all the groups perpetrating attacks against Indians? It makes no sense to mention Asians when you're going to leave out Africans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Balisong5 ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
So why use it as a citation then if you think it's biased? By the same token Paul Sheenan can be just as biased because he doesn't verify who the Asian attackers he was referring to were. At least Andrew Bolt was more descriptive in quoting the victims making references to their African assailants. And it's written very clearly in Bolt's article that attacks were done less often by Asians than Africans. Now it seems you don't even want to mention Africans as among the perpetrators of attacks against Indians. This article is semi-protected and that's why I'm writing this. If you're gonna mention Whites, Asians, Middle Easterners, Aboriginals and Pacific Islanders as perpetrators then why not Africans? If you refuse to mention them as a group then the only reason I can come up with is that there is some bias going on here. It's not like what I'm suggesting is some kind of fabrication or false smearing. Balisong5 —Preceding undated comment added 03:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC).
Fair enough. I've done some searching on google for "racism in Australia Asian attacks on Indians" to see if I could come up with any specific sources that would support Paul Sheenan's claim but so far I've found nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Balisong5 ( talk • contribs) 04:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Any further verification to the claims made in the article will help.-- Balisong5 ( talk) 16:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
There's plenty of verified sources linking the attacks against Indians or Pakistanis to Whites, Middle Easterners and even Aboriginals and Africans but I have yet to find any that document Asians as being among the perpetrators of the Indian attacks. Only Paul Sheehan's article makes mention of this and he doesn't even bother to verify the source of this claim. -- Balisong5 ( talk) 00:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Is identifying the race of the individuals doing violence helpful to the artcile ? There are no or limited statistics so should we remove all mention of race and say "polygot of the streets" as quoted in one article OR i it part of denialism ? Wakelamp ( talk) 23:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
I think the article is fine the way it is now.-- 72.67.50.234 ( talk) 03:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I am seeking consensus that the following sections should be archived
Does anyone know whether the Harmony March took place on July 12th 2009 ? http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/australia-to-hold-harmony-march-in-solidarity-with-indian-students_100213197.html Wakelamp ( talk) 10:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
The 2008 stuff was purely a workplace safety complaint about an unpleasant job. It wasn't until Gautam Gupta in 2009 that there was any controversy YellowMonkey ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Merbaba please identify what is NPOV about that section in accordance with the tag. Otherwise I will delete the tag. This article is about the controversy(ies). Greglocock ( talk) 02:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
mainly done by non Anglo Australians c/ OR by other Indians
Do we need a section on what the Indian concerns are apart from racism and violence .
http://www.indianlink.com.au/templates/?a=1297&z=12
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5je2cVs2Hzr8SpqkhEwwhvNFauXRw
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/why-indians-are-terrified-after-death-of-nitin-garg/story-e6frfhqf-1225816381992 http://www.southasiatimes.com.au/news/gautam-gupta-fighter-for-social-justice-or-an-unfettered-radical/ Wakelamp ( talk) 06:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
http://www.southasiatimes.com.au/news/gautam-gupta-fighter-for-social-justice-or-an-unfettered-radical/ In terms of reliable and non reliable sources, I have had concerns abour people criticising non Australian papers eg Times of India ( see discussion section Rubbish). In terms of WP:Syn Could you tell me how to improve the Chronology section. I took the existing reactions , added Ku Klux Klan and the Taxi protests, time lined them and then converted to prose. What should I have done ? Wakelamp ( talk) 13:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Merababu put this comment in his edit summary. Suggest we discuss it here, rather then on the fly via edit summary. Merababu has reverted to Reactions, but as this is about a controversy, it would seem important to split the various controversies apart. The various opinions are what people have added to the page. What do wikipedians think we should do Wakelamp ( talk) 11:33, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I created a stub, for FISA, Orderinchaos has faleed it as non - notable. There is also no page for Gautam Gupta . Where to next Wakelamp ( talk) 23:46, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
This para is currently the 4th para in the Racism heading HERE,
Suggested Alterations (BOLD=addition, line through=deletions
Suggested Final text
Comments: In its current from this paragraph is pretty meaningless. It has been in the article since July 1, 2009!,
DIFF though
User:Merbabu did delete it once. I don't see what contacts in the 1970s with "South African resistance", or "Black Consciousness Movement" have to do with this article.
Original source
HERE. NO mention of Foreign Affairs or South Africa!. Even the 'title' of the current reference, "Unleashed: Racism in Australia" is incorrect and deceptive. Simply "Racism in Australia" is correct!(as per reference), though apparently titling not done in the original edit.
Please fix! or re-delete!-- 220.101.28.25 ( talk) 23:54, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
The Aftermath section mentions "the deaths of Nitin Garg and Ranjodh Singh" but they are not mentioned in the main timeline. It should either be properly covered or the mention deleted. Given that both crimes recieved a lot of media attention at the time, I would suggest they be considered part of the events and properly covered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.168.100.232 ( talk) 06:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC) There was concern that the use of names of victims was a WP:BLP violation so I took them out. I think maybe the compromise woudl be to put back deaths and those violent incidents that were associated with the protests on the grounds of widespread knowledge of their names. Wakelamp ( talk) 00:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
1400 attacks really? Who edited that is a sham, it was more like 12 with most being done by indians-- Gargabook ( talk) 23:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Since we have established that Indians are safer in Oz than they are in India, and safer than average asutralians, etc etc, then this article is largely about the media beatup, hence the link is justified. Greglocock ( talk) 00:03, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Greg, there's two issues with this - content and process - and why the link is inappropriate. I've provided some links for reference on each issue
In summary, there's a POV issue to which Bilby alludes, and trolling by banned user. Solution to both is to not include link. regards -- Merbabu ( talk) 02:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted your changes to my comments. It was previously completely unclear to me that they actually were my comments. I note that you initially accepting of my position, and now you have changed your mind and are changing them again. regards -- Merbabu ( talk) 02:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I'm going to make a few edits that I believe will contribute to the neutral tone of this article. I want to clearly state that my intentions on Wikipedia are to contribute to the neutral tone and clarity of articles. I am very aware that this is a very relevant issue in Australia even today and that people have strong feelings about the issue. On a personal note, I do not in any way support the assaults made upon Indians living in Australia, nor do I support any crimes of a similiar nature on anyone else living in Australia. If you have concerns about my edits to this article, please don't hesistate to let me know on this talk page or my user talk page. Russell Dent ( talk) 03:39, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
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I think this article should be renamed to "2009 protests by Indian students in Australia" and the focus should be tightened. At the moment the article is too open ended, and is prone to creating unsourced conclusions via synthesis. - Borofkin ( talk) 07:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the 'too open ended' point though - I think the article should be just focussed on the period during mid-2009 when this all became an issue, with the protests and media frenzy that occurred within those couple of months or so, before the storm entered a lull for the rest of that year. That period was an important turning point in our relations with India as well as the education industry etc, and it deserves its own article. If editors keep on reworking the lead paragraphs to accommodate the present day's news as part of the 2009 'attacks', and start adding non-students and non-Indians into the mix as someone did recently, then there will no longer be an article specifically about the controversy that started it all. Fswan4 ( talk) 20:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The controversy is about the attacks on Indian student in Australia. One could legitimately debate the extent of racist motive in such attacks or the extent of Indian hype or Australian denialism. Still, the proposed new title would covertly endoring the view that it is about indian hype and not australian denialism. Vapour ( talk) 05:19, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I have tried my best to work out if indian students are being persecuted or not. Here is my work below - would anyone be able to post it for me??
Expected Homicide Rate of Indian Students An expected homicide rate for the Indian student population would be a maximum of 6.6 Males 20-30 if no persecution of Indian students was occurring.
General population Australia 1.2 murders per 100000(2008) - estimated 2009 1.3 per 100,000.www.abs.gov.au
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
Males 15-30 make up 25% of murder victims in Australia and 8% of the population (2008) - estimated murder rate 4.4 per 100,000 http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/3235.0~2008~Main+Features~Main+Features?OpenDocument#PARALINK6
Expected murder rate of Male Indian students aged 20-30 would be = 4.4 * .75 = 3.3 killed per year (assuming males 20-30 make up 75% of the student population or 75,000)
the above figures allow for no influencing factors. Cities / Poor neighborhoods / Working and traveling late at night would be influencing factors. Assume this doubles the risk of murder then at a maximum you would still only expect 6.6 Male 20-30 year old Indian students to be murdered per year.
There where xx? Male Indian students 20-30 murdered in Australia in 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ger876452334 ( talk • contribs) 08:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Why has caste and caste related violence in India been added as related articles to this article. They are totally irrelevant to what is going on in Australia. Is this an attempt to smear Indians? 92.29.34.78 ( talk) 20:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
how silly gregcock. Your abuse of basic stats is akin to soviet propaganda. grow up.
89.242.144.141 ( talk) 00:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
oh dear i actually thought gregcock was made up. didn't realise you were named that. commiserations
92.24.60.204 ( talk) 07:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
About their calls for an Australian cricket ban. I expected better of the ABC than to say that Shiv Sena were responsible for not allowing Pakistani cricketers into India, which is nonsense. Also rather silly that CA officials haven't heard of these people when they once dug up a cricket pitch [1] YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 00:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Should it be clarified that the suspects are two Indian nationals? Ticklemygrits ( talk) 06:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Deindent. Um, So 1/3 of the murders of Indians, in Australia last year, were committed by Indians? Doesn't that make them a tad overrepresented in the murderer statistics? If the Indian murderers hog all the murders what are the the racist Ozzies going to do? Greglocock ( talk) 03:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me that the Outlook article is unusable as a source. The following observation by the SMH has repeatedly been removed by an editor for no very good reason
"The article does not mention that three Indian nationals have been charged with murder in one of the recent cases [1]"
If you actually go and read the article it ledes with " But there’s unanimity on one count: “curry-bashing” is fast becoming the young Australian’s favourite pastime. " Um. really. I don't know many young Australians, buut I doubt 1 in 50 is even aware of the term.
Greglocock ( talk) 04:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Greglocock if you want to discuss crime in India create an article on it or add it to another article. Facts about 32000 Indians killing each other have nothing to do with what is going on in Australia. Furthermore your statement on Indian violence makes no sense. Indian Violence can mean violence perpetrated by Indians or violence over the subject Indian in each instance most if not all of the violence would be committed by Indians . You comments are better suited to the Indophobia article. Its ridiculous that attacks on Indians are supposed to be balanced by negative views of Indians. On that account an attack on an Australian abroad should be balanced with everything that's wrong with Australia 89.242.211.168 ( talk) 14:11, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Deindent - ok I've rebooted as well. The Outlook article is not an RS about the attacks, it is however a good example of the media hysteria. Therefore it should be included in this article. A discussion of the Outlook article by an RS is, to my mind, the raison d'etre of this wiki article. It is ALL about perception. The reality is that Indians are being murdered at the usual rate in Australia (~6 per year for the past 5 years), and that they are much safer here than in India, and that a reasonable proportion of these murders are performed by Indian nationals. But that is not what this article is about. It is about the controversy, not the crimes. Greglocock ( talk) 00:50, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
has any one looked into the possiblity that islamic extreemists espesaly pakistanis might be involved in some of these attacks espesaly the killings. this vary article states that suvivors of these attacks have reported that some of the attackers were middle eastern or asians. pakistanis might be placed in both catagories by difrent people. this expanation needs to be investagated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.111.178 ( talk) 04:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
The article used for citation 65 clearly states that many of the victims attackers were African, so why isn't this mentioned anywhere in the article. Clearly there has been more African attackers than Asians but yet you indicate Asians as one among the groups perpetrating violence against Indians when in fact there are more African attackers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.50.234 ( talk) 22:18, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, there's no mention of Africans in the Background section of the article "Violence against Indians in Australia controversy" as being one of the groups perpetrating the attacks. According to Andrew Bolt there's more attackers of African background than Asian but why isn't it written in the Background section listing all the groups perpetrating attacks against Indians? It makes no sense to mention Asians when you're going to leave out Africans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Balisong5 ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
So why use it as a citation then if you think it's biased? By the same token Paul Sheenan can be just as biased because he doesn't verify who the Asian attackers he was referring to were. At least Andrew Bolt was more descriptive in quoting the victims making references to their African assailants. And it's written very clearly in Bolt's article that attacks were done less often by Asians than Africans. Now it seems you don't even want to mention Africans as among the perpetrators of attacks against Indians. This article is semi-protected and that's why I'm writing this. If you're gonna mention Whites, Asians, Middle Easterners, Aboriginals and Pacific Islanders as perpetrators then why not Africans? If you refuse to mention them as a group then the only reason I can come up with is that there is some bias going on here. It's not like what I'm suggesting is some kind of fabrication or false smearing. Balisong5 —Preceding undated comment added 03:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC).
Fair enough. I've done some searching on google for "racism in Australia Asian attacks on Indians" to see if I could come up with any specific sources that would support Paul Sheenan's claim but so far I've found nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Balisong5 ( talk • contribs) 04:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Any further verification to the claims made in the article will help.-- Balisong5 ( talk) 16:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
There's plenty of verified sources linking the attacks against Indians or Pakistanis to Whites, Middle Easterners and even Aboriginals and Africans but I have yet to find any that document Asians as being among the perpetrators of the Indian attacks. Only Paul Sheehan's article makes mention of this and he doesn't even bother to verify the source of this claim. -- Balisong5 ( talk) 00:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Is identifying the race of the individuals doing violence helpful to the artcile ? There are no or limited statistics so should we remove all mention of race and say "polygot of the streets" as quoted in one article OR i it part of denialism ? Wakelamp ( talk) 23:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
I think the article is fine the way it is now.-- 72.67.50.234 ( talk) 03:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I am seeking consensus that the following sections should be archived
Does anyone know whether the Harmony March took place on July 12th 2009 ? http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/australia-to-hold-harmony-march-in-solidarity-with-indian-students_100213197.html Wakelamp ( talk) 10:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
The 2008 stuff was purely a workplace safety complaint about an unpleasant job. It wasn't until Gautam Gupta in 2009 that there was any controversy YellowMonkey ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Merbaba please identify what is NPOV about that section in accordance with the tag. Otherwise I will delete the tag. This article is about the controversy(ies). Greglocock ( talk) 02:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
mainly done by non Anglo Australians c/ OR by other Indians
Do we need a section on what the Indian concerns are apart from racism and violence .
http://www.indianlink.com.au/templates/?a=1297&z=12
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5je2cVs2Hzr8SpqkhEwwhvNFauXRw
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/why-indians-are-terrified-after-death-of-nitin-garg/story-e6frfhqf-1225816381992 http://www.southasiatimes.com.au/news/gautam-gupta-fighter-for-social-justice-or-an-unfettered-radical/ Wakelamp ( talk) 06:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
http://www.southasiatimes.com.au/news/gautam-gupta-fighter-for-social-justice-or-an-unfettered-radical/ In terms of reliable and non reliable sources, I have had concerns abour people criticising non Australian papers eg Times of India ( see discussion section Rubbish). In terms of WP:Syn Could you tell me how to improve the Chronology section. I took the existing reactions , added Ku Klux Klan and the Taxi protests, time lined them and then converted to prose. What should I have done ? Wakelamp ( talk) 13:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Merababu put this comment in his edit summary. Suggest we discuss it here, rather then on the fly via edit summary. Merababu has reverted to Reactions, but as this is about a controversy, it would seem important to split the various controversies apart. The various opinions are what people have added to the page. What do wikipedians think we should do Wakelamp ( talk) 11:33, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I created a stub, for FISA, Orderinchaos has faleed it as non - notable. There is also no page for Gautam Gupta . Where to next Wakelamp ( talk) 23:46, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
This para is currently the 4th para in the Racism heading HERE,
Suggested Alterations (BOLD=addition, line through=deletions
Suggested Final text
Comments: In its current from this paragraph is pretty meaningless. It has been in the article since July 1, 2009!,
DIFF though
User:Merbabu did delete it once. I don't see what contacts in the 1970s with "South African resistance", or "Black Consciousness Movement" have to do with this article.
Original source
HERE. NO mention of Foreign Affairs or South Africa!. Even the 'title' of the current reference, "Unleashed: Racism in Australia" is incorrect and deceptive. Simply "Racism in Australia" is correct!(as per reference), though apparently titling not done in the original edit.
Please fix! or re-delete!-- 220.101.28.25 ( talk) 23:54, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
The Aftermath section mentions "the deaths of Nitin Garg and Ranjodh Singh" but they are not mentioned in the main timeline. It should either be properly covered or the mention deleted. Given that both crimes recieved a lot of media attention at the time, I would suggest they be considered part of the events and properly covered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.168.100.232 ( talk) 06:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC) There was concern that the use of names of victims was a WP:BLP violation so I took them out. I think maybe the compromise woudl be to put back deaths and those violent incidents that were associated with the protests on the grounds of widespread knowledge of their names. Wakelamp ( talk) 00:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
1400 attacks really? Who edited that is a sham, it was more like 12 with most being done by indians-- Gargabook ( talk) 23:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Since we have established that Indians are safer in Oz than they are in India, and safer than average asutralians, etc etc, then this article is largely about the media beatup, hence the link is justified. Greglocock ( talk) 00:03, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Greg, there's two issues with this - content and process - and why the link is inappropriate. I've provided some links for reference on each issue
In summary, there's a POV issue to which Bilby alludes, and trolling by banned user. Solution to both is to not include link. regards -- Merbabu ( talk) 02:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted your changes to my comments. It was previously completely unclear to me that they actually were my comments. I note that you initially accepting of my position, and now you have changed your mind and are changing them again. regards -- Merbabu ( talk) 02:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I'm going to make a few edits that I believe will contribute to the neutral tone of this article. I want to clearly state that my intentions on Wikipedia are to contribute to the neutral tone and clarity of articles. I am very aware that this is a very relevant issue in Australia even today and that people have strong feelings about the issue. On a personal note, I do not in any way support the assaults made upon Indians living in Australia, nor do I support any crimes of a similiar nature on anyone else living in Australia. If you have concerns about my edits to this article, please don't hesistate to let me know on this talk page or my user talk page. Russell Dent ( talk) 03:39, 30 March 2011 (UTC)