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vinny uses realtime corruptor(vanguard) now
There's a new vinesauce charity see https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufiuSsdIkVpqzVqqlEb5Mc6sRCP0x4Qj/view
Someone needs to improve a Draft:Red Vox page? GreatPaul64 ( talk) 17:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone. While looking at the recent changes made to the Super Mario 64 article, I saw a section which discussed the various fan projects spawned from the game, with Vinesauce's gameplay video of a fan project cited with a reliable source. This led me to restore this draft recently after collecting a plethora of sources which discuss Vinesauce and their content. Reputable gaming outlets such as Kotaku, PC Gamer, Nintendo Life and VG247 have written articles about various videos they have made over the past several years, from their Super Mario 64 and Legend of Zelda hacks to their Half-Life mods, creepypastas and so on. This should qualify them as notable according to WP:WEB, in that the nature of their content has been discussed fairly significantly, enough to establish them as prominent Internet personalities and gaming content creators. I am pinging the original editors/submitters of the article and some of the AFC reviewers that left feedback on the draft. My original plan was to work on the draft on my own time, but the next few weeks may be a bit too busy for me, so I decided to give it to you guys to work on it once more.
If you want a new template for organizing the article, here’s a quick one I made that might help.
Sidenote: I'm honestly disappointed with the work done to this draft. There were so many sources you could've used for this article, and heck, there were sources in other Wikipedia articles about Vinesauce's videos that you could've used for this draft. But instead of using them, you provoked the ire of so many AFC reviewers with your dependence on unreliable and primary sources (and writing about Mario's Mystery Meat FFS 🤦). While some of these sources can be kept to verify basic facts about them, you have to use reliable sources to support most of the information in the article. I hope you guys use these sources to finally get Vinesauce to mainspace once and for all, and that these sources would be enough to prevent other editors from deleting it.
Thanks, PantheonRadiance ( talk) 22:22, 8 November 2021 (UTC).
Pinging @ EthanRossie2000, L33tm4n, WhoAteMyButter, PaulGorduiz106, Hellknowz, EDG 543, IceWelder, and ReaderofthePack: Leave feedback below.
I stumbled across a Vinesauce upload where the subject joked about Top Angler: Real Bass Fishing having an article while Vinesauce doesn't, showcasing all the "Submission rejected" tags on this. So I thought I'd take a look at this draft to see if it looks like it's worthy of being in mainspace and ...
It's bad.
It's really, really bad. Nearly all of the sources are primary sources linking to the Vinesauce website, YouTube videos, or tweets. There are a couple of actual secondary sources in the lead of the article that are indirectly about the subject (or more specifically, its Mario 64 Corruptions video which was viral at the time), but this is never brought up anywhere else in the article. The entire "History" section has no secondary sources except the very last bit which mentions a temporary Twitch ban. Vargskelethor is mentioned without ever being introduced. The only part of this entire draft that has a good number of secondary sources is the single sentence about the sexual harassment allegation. The Red Vox subsection has one secondary source which praises the band, but the contents of that article are never mentioned in this draft, it's just used as a source to state that it was founded in 2015. This is the last secondary source in the draft. The entire Philanthropy, In Popular Culture, and Team sections have no secondary sources demonstrating their notability, and the "Team" section doesn't even have any primary sources demonstrating verifiability. Vinny is referred to as Franzetti throughout the entire draft, and this is never sourced. The draft also seems to struggle with deciding whether it's about Vinny (the person behind the YouTube account "Vinesauce") or the collective Vinesauce group. It seems to be trying more to be about the latter, but not a single secondary source is about the group of streamers.
All of this is to say that this draft is unsalvageable. It's time to blow it up and start over. It'd be faster and easier to nominate this thing for deletion, create a fresh new one that's not flooded with "Submission rejected" tags, and have it be written by people who are at least a little more familiar with Wikipedia policy or encyclopedic writing in general than the fans who threw this one together. Vanilla Wizard 💙 08:06, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
I've said enough on Vinesauce's notability in the past, both here and in various discussions, so I'll just keep it short. Vinesauce is a notable group for their internet content which has been discussed significantly on various video gaming websites. Most of the sources here pretty much focus on media outlets offering secondary summary and/or commentary of the videos they've made and their general reactions to them. For the best sources, see
The rest of the sources also consist of outlets like VG247, PC Gamer, Nintendo Life, and TechRadar. They were even cited in a book about archaeology as well for their Active Worlds videos - see ref #24. Overall, this should be enough to pass WEB and GNG with flying colors. Let me know if there's any concerns about the draft. Thanks, PantheonRadiance ( talk) 02:00, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Zxcvbnm: Hey, so apparently the draft was accepted to mainspace a few days ago, before I got a chance to discuss its notability on the VG talk page. Should I still post a discussion about it, or is it unnecessary now and we should just wait and see if anyone objects to their notability via an AfD? PantheonRadiance ( talk) 00:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
The Impact section clearly shows that they've contributed to memes, but would it be enough to put them in other categories? Discussing like:
BonziBuddy appears in the former, while 7 Grand Dad appears in the latter. I would consider Vinesauce is significant to both. Crazyeditor23 ( talk) 04:21, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
I've been talking to Vinny and he's been stating there's been active confusion in relation to both this wiki page and just in general with how people see Vinny as the "leader" of a team which hasn't been a thing for years. As well as the fact that we can go a bit into detail of the origin of the name Vinesauce has stated in the past.
For example: The name Vinesauce originated in two ways. The one that is commonly resaid on his streams is that when he was playing Mario Party as a kid with friends he asked "Mom is it okay if vines grow out your ass." and than got the nickname Vine from such.
While on Ustream he use to be called Vine and when talking to chat someone in chat would always end a sentence with "sauce" during the phase of the internet using "awesomesauce" and adding it to everything. The user ended up at one point saying vinesauce and Vinny liked it and decided to go with it. I know this one might be impossible to cite properly as there's really only Youtube VODs that really mention name origins.
In the end of the day however, I feel we should try to clarify the separation between the group and Vinny in terms of the name. AlizarinRed ( talk) 00:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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vinny uses realtime corruptor(vanguard) now
There's a new vinesauce charity see https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufiuSsdIkVpqzVqqlEb5Mc6sRCP0x4Qj/view
Someone needs to improve a Draft:Red Vox page? GreatPaul64 ( talk) 17:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone. While looking at the recent changes made to the Super Mario 64 article, I saw a section which discussed the various fan projects spawned from the game, with Vinesauce's gameplay video of a fan project cited with a reliable source. This led me to restore this draft recently after collecting a plethora of sources which discuss Vinesauce and their content. Reputable gaming outlets such as Kotaku, PC Gamer, Nintendo Life and VG247 have written articles about various videos they have made over the past several years, from their Super Mario 64 and Legend of Zelda hacks to their Half-Life mods, creepypastas and so on. This should qualify them as notable according to WP:WEB, in that the nature of their content has been discussed fairly significantly, enough to establish them as prominent Internet personalities and gaming content creators. I am pinging the original editors/submitters of the article and some of the AFC reviewers that left feedback on the draft. My original plan was to work on the draft on my own time, but the next few weeks may be a bit too busy for me, so I decided to give it to you guys to work on it once more.
If you want a new template for organizing the article, here’s a quick one I made that might help.
Sidenote: I'm honestly disappointed with the work done to this draft. There were so many sources you could've used for this article, and heck, there were sources in other Wikipedia articles about Vinesauce's videos that you could've used for this draft. But instead of using them, you provoked the ire of so many AFC reviewers with your dependence on unreliable and primary sources (and writing about Mario's Mystery Meat FFS 🤦). While some of these sources can be kept to verify basic facts about them, you have to use reliable sources to support most of the information in the article. I hope you guys use these sources to finally get Vinesauce to mainspace once and for all, and that these sources would be enough to prevent other editors from deleting it.
Thanks, PantheonRadiance ( talk) 22:22, 8 November 2021 (UTC).
Pinging @ EthanRossie2000, L33tm4n, WhoAteMyButter, PaulGorduiz106, Hellknowz, EDG 543, IceWelder, and ReaderofthePack: Leave feedback below.
I stumbled across a Vinesauce upload where the subject joked about Top Angler: Real Bass Fishing having an article while Vinesauce doesn't, showcasing all the "Submission rejected" tags on this. So I thought I'd take a look at this draft to see if it looks like it's worthy of being in mainspace and ...
It's bad.
It's really, really bad. Nearly all of the sources are primary sources linking to the Vinesauce website, YouTube videos, or tweets. There are a couple of actual secondary sources in the lead of the article that are indirectly about the subject (or more specifically, its Mario 64 Corruptions video which was viral at the time), but this is never brought up anywhere else in the article. The entire "History" section has no secondary sources except the very last bit which mentions a temporary Twitch ban. Vargskelethor is mentioned without ever being introduced. The only part of this entire draft that has a good number of secondary sources is the single sentence about the sexual harassment allegation. The Red Vox subsection has one secondary source which praises the band, but the contents of that article are never mentioned in this draft, it's just used as a source to state that it was founded in 2015. This is the last secondary source in the draft. The entire Philanthropy, In Popular Culture, and Team sections have no secondary sources demonstrating their notability, and the "Team" section doesn't even have any primary sources demonstrating verifiability. Vinny is referred to as Franzetti throughout the entire draft, and this is never sourced. The draft also seems to struggle with deciding whether it's about Vinny (the person behind the YouTube account "Vinesauce") or the collective Vinesauce group. It seems to be trying more to be about the latter, but not a single secondary source is about the group of streamers.
All of this is to say that this draft is unsalvageable. It's time to blow it up and start over. It'd be faster and easier to nominate this thing for deletion, create a fresh new one that's not flooded with "Submission rejected" tags, and have it be written by people who are at least a little more familiar with Wikipedia policy or encyclopedic writing in general than the fans who threw this one together. Vanilla Wizard 💙 08:06, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
I've said enough on Vinesauce's notability in the past, both here and in various discussions, so I'll just keep it short. Vinesauce is a notable group for their internet content which has been discussed significantly on various video gaming websites. Most of the sources here pretty much focus on media outlets offering secondary summary and/or commentary of the videos they've made and their general reactions to them. For the best sources, see
The rest of the sources also consist of outlets like VG247, PC Gamer, Nintendo Life, and TechRadar. They were even cited in a book about archaeology as well for their Active Worlds videos - see ref #24. Overall, this should be enough to pass WEB and GNG with flying colors. Let me know if there's any concerns about the draft. Thanks, PantheonRadiance ( talk) 02:00, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Zxcvbnm: Hey, so apparently the draft was accepted to mainspace a few days ago, before I got a chance to discuss its notability on the VG talk page. Should I still post a discussion about it, or is it unnecessary now and we should just wait and see if anyone objects to their notability via an AfD? PantheonRadiance ( talk) 00:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
The Impact section clearly shows that they've contributed to memes, but would it be enough to put them in other categories? Discussing like:
BonziBuddy appears in the former, while 7 Grand Dad appears in the latter. I would consider Vinesauce is significant to both. Crazyeditor23 ( talk) 04:21, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
I've been talking to Vinny and he's been stating there's been active confusion in relation to both this wiki page and just in general with how people see Vinny as the "leader" of a team which hasn't been a thing for years. As well as the fact that we can go a bit into detail of the origin of the name Vinesauce has stated in the past.
For example: The name Vinesauce originated in two ways. The one that is commonly resaid on his streams is that when he was playing Mario Party as a kid with friends he asked "Mom is it okay if vines grow out your ass." and than got the nickname Vine from such.
While on Ustream he use to be called Vine and when talking to chat someone in chat would always end a sentence with "sauce" during the phase of the internet using "awesomesauce" and adding it to everything. The user ended up at one point saying vinesauce and Vinny liked it and decided to go with it. I know this one might be impossible to cite properly as there's really only Youtube VODs that really mention name origins.
In the end of the day however, I feel we should try to clarify the separation between the group and Vinny in terms of the name. AlizarinRed ( talk) 00:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)