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This article needs an infobox, and a link to her Missouri Legislature site (if Missouri keeps those for previous legislatures). There are plenty of other articles about Missouri state legislators which could serve as examples to improve this one. Flatterworld ( talk) 20:57, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
This article should have more detail about the fact that Hartzler hates gays. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.61.217.218 ( talk) 17:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I added a segment regarding statements made today (April 6, 2012) expressing doubts as to the genuineness of President Obama's birth certificate, but could really use some more experienced eyes to make certain the format is correct. Thanks. 99.124.218.65 ( talk) 01:27, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
what about when she said "we just want the government to leave us alone" Even though she accepted 3/4 of a million dollars in government subsidies? Can someone add that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.136.52 ( talk) 02:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
An anonymous edit from the US House of Representatives deleted this section, but I restored it. Neurophyre( talk) 13:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
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As per the Wikipedia policy guidelines on Biography pages [1], the "Controversies" section should be moved into the U.S. House of Representatives. Currently, the section broken out on its own seems to violate the policy on NPOV. Does anybody have an objection to this? AlexMODC ( talk) 15:49, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Much appreciated. I think changing the way it's displayed from "controversies" to views and voting record would be great, thanks for taking a look. AlexMODC ( talk) 20:51, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
User:Rms125a@hotmail.com removed information about her role in the ban of transgenders from the US military from the lede, even though the body of the text includes 7 paragraphs about it. The lede is supposed to summarize the content of the article, and I think this should be included. Zigzig20s ( talk) 12:09, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Vicky Hartzler is a hard-core anti-transsexual warrior.-- 2601:C4:C080:81C:6101:6A5:BA17:B043 ( talk) 21:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
This article is seeing some anonymous edit traffic from IP ranges associated with the US House of Representatives. A number of the edits have been favorable / promotional in nature. It would be a good idea to watch the history for this article. Neurophyre( talk) 13:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Re: this edit, where Paleontologist99 re-added Category:American conspiracy theorists with edit summary "please see Barack Obama section". Here is what this section of the article says: "At a town hall meeting in Missouri on April 5, 2012, Hartzler expressed doubts regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. [2] [3] [4]"
These doubts expressed at a town hall meeting clearly fall into the scope of guideline
WP:OPINIONCAT: Avoid categorizing people by their personal opinions, even if a reliable source can be found for the opinions. This includes supporters or critics of an issue, personal preferences (such as liking or disliking green beans), and opinions or allegations about the person by other people (e.g. "alleged criminals"). Please note, however, the distinction between holding an opinion and being an activist, the latter of which may be a defining characteristic (see
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Hartzler did not create or otherwise associate her name with conspiracy theories, she merely repeated comments that are mostly unremarkable for a conservative politician. According to verbatim of her comments given by the Sedania Democrat local newspaper and repeated by the other 2 sources, she did not even make positive statements in support of the conspiracy theory (which is that Obama would not be a natural-born citizen of the U.S.), but used wording such as "I don’t know, I haven’t seen it" in answer to an audience question. This is very, very far from being defined as anything like a conspiracy theorist, per the
WP:CATDEF guideline which e.g. states: A defining characteristic is one that
reliable sources commonly and consistently define
[5] the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people), type of location or region (in the case of places), etc. For example, in Caravaggio, an Italian artist of the Baroque movement, Italian, artist, and Baroque may all be considered to be defining characteristics of the subject
Caravaggio.
If you find reliable sources (i.e. those listed as such at
WP:RS/P) that call her a "conspiracy theorist" and do so consistently (i.e. several publications separated in time), we could discuss if she is defined as such. See for instance how the motherjones.com editor (which is a source considered oriented but reliable) compares her, in an ironical comment, to “someone who has serious concerns that the President [is] constitutionally unqualified to be President—but never took 10 seconds to Google the thing for herself and doesn’t feel like doing anything about it.”
I therefore believe that the Vicky Hartzler article does not belong in Category:American conspiracy theorists per our guidelines. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't know" answer if akin to that of a Congressman who would be asked if they think the Earth is flat or what they think of slavery and would give the same answer. Place Clichy ( talk) 17:36, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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This article needs an infobox, and a link to her Missouri Legislature site (if Missouri keeps those for previous legislatures). There are plenty of other articles about Missouri state legislators which could serve as examples to improve this one. Flatterworld ( talk) 20:57, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
This article should have more detail about the fact that Hartzler hates gays. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.61.217.218 ( talk) 17:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I added a segment regarding statements made today (April 6, 2012) expressing doubts as to the genuineness of President Obama's birth certificate, but could really use some more experienced eyes to make certain the format is correct. Thanks. 99.124.218.65 ( talk) 01:27, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
what about when she said "we just want the government to leave us alone" Even though she accepted 3/4 of a million dollars in government subsidies? Can someone add that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.136.52 ( talk) 02:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
An anonymous edit from the US House of Representatives deleted this section, but I restored it. Neurophyre( talk) 13:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
As per the Wikipedia policy guidelines on Biography pages [1], the "Controversies" section should be moved into the U.S. House of Representatives. Currently, the section broken out on its own seems to violate the policy on NPOV. Does anybody have an objection to this? AlexMODC ( talk) 15:49, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Much appreciated. I think changing the way it's displayed from "controversies" to views and voting record would be great, thanks for taking a look. AlexMODC ( talk) 20:51, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
User:Rms125a@hotmail.com removed information about her role in the ban of transgenders from the US military from the lede, even though the body of the text includes 7 paragraphs about it. The lede is supposed to summarize the content of the article, and I think this should be included. Zigzig20s ( talk) 12:09, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Vicky Hartzler is a hard-core anti-transsexual warrior.-- 2601:C4:C080:81C:6101:6A5:BA17:B043 ( talk) 21:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
This article is seeing some anonymous edit traffic from IP ranges associated with the US House of Representatives. A number of the edits have been favorable / promotional in nature. It would be a good idea to watch the history for this article. Neurophyre( talk) 13:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Re: this edit, where Paleontologist99 re-added Category:American conspiracy theorists with edit summary "please see Barack Obama section". Here is what this section of the article says: "At a town hall meeting in Missouri on April 5, 2012, Hartzler expressed doubts regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. [2] [3] [4]"
These doubts expressed at a town hall meeting clearly fall into the scope of guideline
WP:OPINIONCAT: Avoid categorizing people by their personal opinions, even if a reliable source can be found for the opinions. This includes supporters or critics of an issue, personal preferences (such as liking or disliking green beans), and opinions or allegations about the person by other people (e.g. "alleged criminals"). Please note, however, the distinction between holding an opinion and being an activist, the latter of which may be a defining characteristic (see
Category:Activists).
Hartzler did not create or otherwise associate her name with conspiracy theories, she merely repeated comments that are mostly unremarkable for a conservative politician. According to verbatim of her comments given by the Sedania Democrat local newspaper and repeated by the other 2 sources, she did not even make positive statements in support of the conspiracy theory (which is that Obama would not be a natural-born citizen of the U.S.), but used wording such as "I don’t know, I haven’t seen it" in answer to an audience question. This is very, very far from being defined as anything like a conspiracy theorist, per the
WP:CATDEF guideline which e.g. states: A defining characteristic is one that
reliable sources commonly and consistently define
[5] the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people), type of location or region (in the case of places), etc. For example, in Caravaggio, an Italian artist of the Baroque movement, Italian, artist, and Baroque may all be considered to be defining characteristics of the subject
Caravaggio.
If you find reliable sources (i.e. those listed as such at
WP:RS/P) that call her a "conspiracy theorist" and do so consistently (i.e. several publications separated in time), we could discuss if she is defined as such. See for instance how the motherjones.com editor (which is a source considered oriented but reliable) compares her, in an ironical comment, to “someone who has serious concerns that the President [is] constitutionally unqualified to be President—but never took 10 seconds to Google the thing for herself and doesn’t feel like doing anything about it.”
I therefore believe that the Vicky Hartzler article does not belong in Category:American conspiracy theorists per our guidelines. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't know" answer if akin to that of a Congressman who would be asked if they think the Earth is flat or what they think of slavery and would give the same answer. Place Clichy ( talk) 17:36, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
References
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