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Administrator, beware that the page is vandalized by hackers, and should be reverted to its original state as soon as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanlei1991 ( talk • contribs) 00:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth, as I understand it, the word is often treated as a proper noun, and so capitalized. See dictionary.reference.com, where some dictionaries capitalize, others not. I see that WP:MOS is silent on the issue. I'll ping Tony. -- jbmurray ( talk • contribs) 08:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
AFAIK, this party is rarely referred to as Viet Quoc in modern usage. It's always referred to by its full name or its abbreviation VNQDD. DHN ( talk) 20:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I've semi-protected for seven days. The move protection (sysop only) will need to be restored to infinite when it expires. -- ROGER DAVIES talk 15:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
This page lists socialism as one of VNQDD's ideologies. I think it's quite wrong. Please provide proofs. If not I demand for a change. Trinh Bao Ngoc
To my surprise, no Vietnamese sources are cited for this page, which wishes to write honestly and truly about a major political party of Vietnam. The two most important documents by two co-founders of VNQDD:
None of them are cited! Trinh Bao Ngoc
History of Vietnam says Khởi Nghiã Yên Bái (The Yen Bai Uprising), the history of VNQDD says Tổng Khởi Nghĩa Yên Bái (The Yen Bai General Uprising). "General Uprising" because the attack was launched in a number of provinces in the North Vietnam, not just in Yen Bai. The name "Yen Bai" was used in order to mourn and to honor 13 people, including Nguyen Thai Hoc, who were executed at Yen Bai on June 17, 1930. The translation of "Yen Bai Munity" does not truly reflect the history of Vietnam and the history of VNQDD, and therefore must be replaced. Trinh Bao Ngoc
The aim and general line of the party is to make a national revolution, to use military force to overthrow the feudal colonial system, to set up a democratic republic of Vietnam. At the same time we will help all oppressed nationalities in the work of struggling to achieve independence, in particular such neighboring countries as Laos and Cambodia.[4]
VNQDD - Lich Su Dau Tranh Can Dai, Hoang Van Dao, 1970: “Mục đích và tôn chỉ của Đảng là làm một cuộc cách mạng quốc gia, dùng võ lực đánh đổ chế độ thực dân phong kiến, để lập nên một nước Việt Nam Cộng Hòa. Đồng thời giúp đỡ các dân tộc bị áp bức trong công cuộc tranh đấu giành độc lập của họ đặt biệt là các lân quốc: Ai Lao và Cao Miên.” (
You may or may not agree with my conclusion; however, its ideology certainly is not "socialism" by any means. I believe some authors have mistaken socialism as the party's ideology from learning that Nguyen Thai Hoc personally "likes" socialism and the French Revolution. In fact, this detail was mentioned by Hoang Van Dao.-- Trinhbaongoc ( talk) 21:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
1) Thời kỳ Quân chính: Quân cách mạng chiếm được đến đâu là lập ngay chính quyền cách mạng quân sự đến đó. 2) Thời kỳ Huấn chính: Tổ chức các cơ cấu dân cử, trực tiếp hoặc gián tiếp giáo hoá dân quen với nếp sống dân chủ về các thể chế mới, v.v… Trong hai thời kỳ này áp dụng nguyên tắc “Dĩ Đảng Trị Quốc.” 3) Thời kỳ Hiến chính: Tổ chức phổ thông đầu phiếu bầu cử Quốc Dân Đại hội, xây dựng Hiến pháp và trao trả chính quyền lại cho toàn dân. -- Trinhbaongoc ( talk) 21:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Republics are often associated with democracy, which seems natural if one acknowledges the meaning of the expression from which the word "republic" derives (see: res publica). Indeed, the word for "republic" in Greek is dimokratia, the same for "democracy". [ Wikipedia]-- Trinhbaongoc ( talk) 22:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Amore. Here is my taste:
Neutral point of view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV
The neutral point of view is a means of dealing with conflicting verifiable perspectives on a topic as evidenced by reliable sources. The policy requires that where multiple or conflicting perspectives exist within a topic each should be presented fairly. None of the views should be given undue weight or asserted as being judged as "the truth", in order that the various significant published viewpoints are made accessible to the reader, not just the most popular one. It should also not be asserted that the most popular view, or some sort of intermediate view among the different views, is the correct one to the extent that other views are mentioned only pejoratively. Readers should be allowed to form their own opinions. Policy shortcut: WP:YESPOV
The neutral point of view is neither sympathetic nor in opposition to its subject: it neither endorses nor discourages viewpoints. As the name suggests, the neutral point of view is a point of view, not the absence or elimination of viewpoints. The elimination of article content cannot be justified under this policy on the grounds that it is "POV". Article content should clearly describe, represent, and characterize disputes within topics, but without endorsement of any particular point of view. Articles should provide background on who believes what and why, and which view is more popular; detailed articles might also contain evaluations of each viewpoint, but must studiously refrain from taking sides.
Withdrawing request on balance of strong evidence against moving, produced by Erudy. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 13:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
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Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang →
Việt Nam Quốc Dân Đảng — SurveyOppose I submit that a common English alternative does exist, as evidenced by the sources below. Erudy ( talk) 02:40, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Socks of community banned user ignored. Favonian ( talk) 06:02, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang → Việt Nam Quốc Dân Đảng – Per WP:Reliable sources. The VNQDĐ (Vietnam Nationalist Party 1927) was a party modelled on China's Kuomintang. The difference between "D" and "Đ" is important for ease of reading; it is the difference between [zan] "people" and [daŋ] "party". The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War hardback edition, and other sources equipped with full fonts, give this spelling. In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
There were two different VNQDD parties which used exactly the same name. One founded in 1924 by Phan Boi Chau in Canton with support from Chinese Kuomintang members, and another founded in 1927 in Hanoi.
20:28, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
This article says the party's political position is centre-right to right-wing yet it also says the party's ideology is democratic socialism. Is anyone else confused? Charles Essie ( talk) 14:47, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
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Administrator, beware that the page is vandalized by hackers, and should be reverted to its original state as soon as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanlei1991 ( talk • contribs) 00:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth, as I understand it, the word is often treated as a proper noun, and so capitalized. See dictionary.reference.com, where some dictionaries capitalize, others not. I see that WP:MOS is silent on the issue. I'll ping Tony. -- jbmurray ( talk • contribs) 08:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
AFAIK, this party is rarely referred to as Viet Quoc in modern usage. It's always referred to by its full name or its abbreviation VNQDD. DHN ( talk) 20:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I've semi-protected for seven days. The move protection (sysop only) will need to be restored to infinite when it expires. -- ROGER DAVIES talk 15:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
This page lists socialism as one of VNQDD's ideologies. I think it's quite wrong. Please provide proofs. If not I demand for a change. Trinh Bao Ngoc
To my surprise, no Vietnamese sources are cited for this page, which wishes to write honestly and truly about a major political party of Vietnam. The two most important documents by two co-founders of VNQDD:
None of them are cited! Trinh Bao Ngoc
History of Vietnam says Khởi Nghiã Yên Bái (The Yen Bai Uprising), the history of VNQDD says Tổng Khởi Nghĩa Yên Bái (The Yen Bai General Uprising). "General Uprising" because the attack was launched in a number of provinces in the North Vietnam, not just in Yen Bai. The name "Yen Bai" was used in order to mourn and to honor 13 people, including Nguyen Thai Hoc, who were executed at Yen Bai on June 17, 1930. The translation of "Yen Bai Munity" does not truly reflect the history of Vietnam and the history of VNQDD, and therefore must be replaced. Trinh Bao Ngoc
The aim and general line of the party is to make a national revolution, to use military force to overthrow the feudal colonial system, to set up a democratic republic of Vietnam. At the same time we will help all oppressed nationalities in the work of struggling to achieve independence, in particular such neighboring countries as Laos and Cambodia.[4]
VNQDD - Lich Su Dau Tranh Can Dai, Hoang Van Dao, 1970: “Mục đích và tôn chỉ của Đảng là làm một cuộc cách mạng quốc gia, dùng võ lực đánh đổ chế độ thực dân phong kiến, để lập nên một nước Việt Nam Cộng Hòa. Đồng thời giúp đỡ các dân tộc bị áp bức trong công cuộc tranh đấu giành độc lập của họ đặt biệt là các lân quốc: Ai Lao và Cao Miên.” (
You may or may not agree with my conclusion; however, its ideology certainly is not "socialism" by any means. I believe some authors have mistaken socialism as the party's ideology from learning that Nguyen Thai Hoc personally "likes" socialism and the French Revolution. In fact, this detail was mentioned by Hoang Van Dao.-- Trinhbaongoc ( talk) 21:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
1) Thời kỳ Quân chính: Quân cách mạng chiếm được đến đâu là lập ngay chính quyền cách mạng quân sự đến đó. 2) Thời kỳ Huấn chính: Tổ chức các cơ cấu dân cử, trực tiếp hoặc gián tiếp giáo hoá dân quen với nếp sống dân chủ về các thể chế mới, v.v… Trong hai thời kỳ này áp dụng nguyên tắc “Dĩ Đảng Trị Quốc.” 3) Thời kỳ Hiến chính: Tổ chức phổ thông đầu phiếu bầu cử Quốc Dân Đại hội, xây dựng Hiến pháp và trao trả chính quyền lại cho toàn dân. -- Trinhbaongoc ( talk) 21:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Republics are often associated with democracy, which seems natural if one acknowledges the meaning of the expression from which the word "republic" derives (see: res publica). Indeed, the word for "republic" in Greek is dimokratia, the same for "democracy". [ Wikipedia]-- Trinhbaongoc ( talk) 22:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Amore. Here is my taste:
Neutral point of view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV
The neutral point of view is a means of dealing with conflicting verifiable perspectives on a topic as evidenced by reliable sources. The policy requires that where multiple or conflicting perspectives exist within a topic each should be presented fairly. None of the views should be given undue weight or asserted as being judged as "the truth", in order that the various significant published viewpoints are made accessible to the reader, not just the most popular one. It should also not be asserted that the most popular view, or some sort of intermediate view among the different views, is the correct one to the extent that other views are mentioned only pejoratively. Readers should be allowed to form their own opinions. Policy shortcut: WP:YESPOV
The neutral point of view is neither sympathetic nor in opposition to its subject: it neither endorses nor discourages viewpoints. As the name suggests, the neutral point of view is a point of view, not the absence or elimination of viewpoints. The elimination of article content cannot be justified under this policy on the grounds that it is "POV". Article content should clearly describe, represent, and characterize disputes within topics, but without endorsement of any particular point of view. Articles should provide background on who believes what and why, and which view is more popular; detailed articles might also contain evaluations of each viewpoint, but must studiously refrain from taking sides.
Withdrawing request on balance of strong evidence against moving, produced by Erudy. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 13:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
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Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang →
Việt Nam Quốc Dân Đảng — SurveyOppose I submit that a common English alternative does exist, as evidenced by the sources below. Erudy ( talk) 02:40, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Socks of community banned user ignored. Favonian ( talk) 06:02, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang → Việt Nam Quốc Dân Đảng – Per WP:Reliable sources. The VNQDĐ (Vietnam Nationalist Party 1927) was a party modelled on China's Kuomintang. The difference between "D" and "Đ" is important for ease of reading; it is the difference between [zan] "people" and [daŋ] "party". The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War hardback edition, and other sources equipped with full fonts, give this spelling. In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
There were two different VNQDD parties which used exactly the same name. One founded in 1924 by Phan Boi Chau in Canton with support from Chinese Kuomintang members, and another founded in 1927 in Hanoi.
20:28, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
This article says the party's political position is centre-right to right-wing yet it also says the party's ideology is democratic socialism. Is anyone else confused? Charles Essie ( talk) 14:47, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
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