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Aircraft list should probably be a wikitable. Dbchip 17:04, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
The following was put by User:208.235.233.194 onto the article page, but belongs here in the talk page. Georgewilliamherbert 19:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I’ve created ALL External Links in this article and the link to the AirTaxiFlights.com site here is no more inappropriate or a spam than links here to AW&ST, AIN or Flight Int’l sites. (Actually, contrary to those other sites, the AirTaxiFlights.com site contains no ads or some other commercial stuff). The link was here for over a month (Jun. 24 – Aug. 30) without anyone complaining, until Dbchip suddenly decided that it’s a spam and removed it.
For all you wannabe censors/policemen out there I suggest that it would be better if you contribute something of your own before you start censoring and deleting what someone else has done just because you personally don’t like it or think it’s inappropriate for others. And if you really believe it’s inappropriate, maybe you ought to start a discussion and give your reasons first, before arbitrarily deleting something for all the rest of us. 195.142.137.65 10:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
AirTaxiFlights.com has the best news archive related to VLJs that I found on the web, produces its own articles on the subject the same as other magazines with external links here, and has had a good VLJ Specifications and Comparison table even before it was created here. And while this article will continue to be censored by bigots who contribute nothing of their own except a witch-hunt after self-perceived linkspams, reverting contributions of others, AirTaxiFlight.com will be a much better source of intelligence about VLJs than wikipedia. Bxb 08:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to propose that we formalize this:
Does this sound reasonable? Georgewilliamherbert 04:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
The article says "Full certification is expected by mid-September, 2006". It's November now, what happened?
Can we delete orders that cannot be confirmed? Like this ATG plane. I cant find an article that says 100 sold.-- Bangabalunga 00:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Please edit. Paragraph is not global enough. There are far more than only "three manufacturers". Please do also consider european ones, e.g. Diamond Aircraft. Jet.Bradley, 27th Sep. 2007, 11:50 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.137.31.211 ( talk)
There's at least one notable aircraft that should be listed that isnt: the Chichester-Miles Leopard (CMC Leopard), particularly noteable since it was pretty much the first VLJ with a prototype actually flying (back in the early eighties). Unfortunately, I've not seen any verbose information on its current status anywhere, if anyone sees something vaguely canon it'd be worth sticking in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quadbox ( talk • contribs) 06:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
The list of three VLJs is fairly pointless as there is no detailed credible information available (that can be backed up by actual tests/certifications/etc); it isn't even clear how far these projects went, if a couple of computer renderings and speculative technical claims is all they managed to do. The focal point should be a comprehensive overview of actual planes, not possible designs. In my opinion they should be taken out of the table and briefly mentioned somewhere in the text or any other suitable form or removed altogether. Agentbla 17:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, umm, interesting trivia. But does the article really need 300 words and an entire section dedicated to a single design criteria: the presence or absence of a toilet, and whether it is (or should be) standard or optional? (That's about one-quarter of the entire article.) Really? N2e ( talk) 18:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Have just done a pretty extensive trimming. I'm not an expert in this area, but think that the result gives a more tightly focused article that can be built on as required. Snori ( talk) 21:14, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Please suggest me, how i will delete some content of "Very Light Jet" page, because when i was read the content of the page, some thing was strike on my mind that "Very Light Jet" or "VLJ" abbreviation is a standard and it is widely used.so it is not used in aviation industry also i am given some link which approve my point for example, (" http://www.azzurajetcharters.com/category/very-light-business-jet-charter", " http://www.ellejet.com/tools.php (industry leader", " http://www.pinterest.com/charterflightgp/charter-a-very-light-jet-vlj/", " http://www.corporatecharters.ca/aircraft/very-light-jets-light-jets/),
that's why i delete it,
Now inform me how i delete following content,available in introduction part of very light jet page. "In December 2010, AvWeb's Paul Bertorelli explained that the term very light jet is not used in the aviation industry anymore, "personal jet is the description du jour. You don't hear the term VLJ—very light jet--much anymore and some people in the industry tell me they think it's because that term was too tightly coupled to Eclipse, a failure that the remaining players want to, understandably, distance themselves from."[2]". thanks & regard Ian joy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianjoy8311 ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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Would anyone have an issue with adding a "Totals" row to the bottom of the table to show the total VLJs delivered each year? Sario528 ( talk) 11:27, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
I've added a citation tag to the cryptic "kits not produced" note for the ViperJet. I suspect that the note may be worded misleadingly, as ViperJet kits have been produced, while the wording implies they have not. On the other hand, if the note is meant to say that kits are out of production (which needs a citation), shouldn't the aircraft be in the Dormant category? Granted, this is a kitbuilt aircraft apparently notorious for poor factory documentation, so there are presumably a number of uncompleted kits around. Carguychris ( talk) 18:16, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
I recently came across this article and found to my surprise that the limit to qualify as a Very Light Jet was just 10,000 lbs instead of the very significant regulatory threshold of 12,500 lbs (~5700 kg), which is close, yet a vastly more relevant weight cut-off from a buyer's, airport's and pilot's point of view. From my experience, any aircraft under 12,500 lbs generally has much lower airport fees, less strict rules on type ratings etc., all of which results in a less bureaucratic/formal/expensive aircraft operation, which is a large part of the selling point of a "personal jet", as they describe it in a previous paragraph in the article.
Do you think if would be appropriate to raise the weight limit? On a side note, what source originally instituted or arbitrarily set the limit at 10,000 lbs?
Cheers -- TheSkalman ( talk) 22:18, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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Aircraft list should probably be a wikitable. Dbchip 17:04, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
The following was put by User:208.235.233.194 onto the article page, but belongs here in the talk page. Georgewilliamherbert 19:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I’ve created ALL External Links in this article and the link to the AirTaxiFlights.com site here is no more inappropriate or a spam than links here to AW&ST, AIN or Flight Int’l sites. (Actually, contrary to those other sites, the AirTaxiFlights.com site contains no ads or some other commercial stuff). The link was here for over a month (Jun. 24 – Aug. 30) without anyone complaining, until Dbchip suddenly decided that it’s a spam and removed it.
For all you wannabe censors/policemen out there I suggest that it would be better if you contribute something of your own before you start censoring and deleting what someone else has done just because you personally don’t like it or think it’s inappropriate for others. And if you really believe it’s inappropriate, maybe you ought to start a discussion and give your reasons first, before arbitrarily deleting something for all the rest of us. 195.142.137.65 10:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
AirTaxiFlights.com has the best news archive related to VLJs that I found on the web, produces its own articles on the subject the same as other magazines with external links here, and has had a good VLJ Specifications and Comparison table even before it was created here. And while this article will continue to be censored by bigots who contribute nothing of their own except a witch-hunt after self-perceived linkspams, reverting contributions of others, AirTaxiFlight.com will be a much better source of intelligence about VLJs than wikipedia. Bxb 08:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to propose that we formalize this:
Does this sound reasonable? Georgewilliamherbert 04:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
The article says "Full certification is expected by mid-September, 2006". It's November now, what happened?
Can we delete orders that cannot be confirmed? Like this ATG plane. I cant find an article that says 100 sold.-- Bangabalunga 00:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Please edit. Paragraph is not global enough. There are far more than only "three manufacturers". Please do also consider european ones, e.g. Diamond Aircraft. Jet.Bradley, 27th Sep. 2007, 11:50 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.137.31.211 ( talk)
There's at least one notable aircraft that should be listed that isnt: the Chichester-Miles Leopard (CMC Leopard), particularly noteable since it was pretty much the first VLJ with a prototype actually flying (back in the early eighties). Unfortunately, I've not seen any verbose information on its current status anywhere, if anyone sees something vaguely canon it'd be worth sticking in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quadbox ( talk • contribs) 06:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
The list of three VLJs is fairly pointless as there is no detailed credible information available (that can be backed up by actual tests/certifications/etc); it isn't even clear how far these projects went, if a couple of computer renderings and speculative technical claims is all they managed to do. The focal point should be a comprehensive overview of actual planes, not possible designs. In my opinion they should be taken out of the table and briefly mentioned somewhere in the text or any other suitable form or removed altogether. Agentbla 17:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, umm, interesting trivia. But does the article really need 300 words and an entire section dedicated to a single design criteria: the presence or absence of a toilet, and whether it is (or should be) standard or optional? (That's about one-quarter of the entire article.) Really? N2e ( talk) 18:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Have just done a pretty extensive trimming. I'm not an expert in this area, but think that the result gives a more tightly focused article that can be built on as required. Snori ( talk) 21:14, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Please suggest me, how i will delete some content of "Very Light Jet" page, because when i was read the content of the page, some thing was strike on my mind that "Very Light Jet" or "VLJ" abbreviation is a standard and it is widely used.so it is not used in aviation industry also i am given some link which approve my point for example, (" http://www.azzurajetcharters.com/category/very-light-business-jet-charter", " http://www.ellejet.com/tools.php (industry leader", " http://www.pinterest.com/charterflightgp/charter-a-very-light-jet-vlj/", " http://www.corporatecharters.ca/aircraft/very-light-jets-light-jets/),
that's why i delete it,
Now inform me how i delete following content,available in introduction part of very light jet page. "In December 2010, AvWeb's Paul Bertorelli explained that the term very light jet is not used in the aviation industry anymore, "personal jet is the description du jour. You don't hear the term VLJ—very light jet--much anymore and some people in the industry tell me they think it's because that term was too tightly coupled to Eclipse, a failure that the remaining players want to, understandably, distance themselves from."[2]". thanks & regard Ian joy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianjoy8311 ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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Would anyone have an issue with adding a "Totals" row to the bottom of the table to show the total VLJs delivered each year? Sario528 ( talk) 11:27, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
I've added a citation tag to the cryptic "kits not produced" note for the ViperJet. I suspect that the note may be worded misleadingly, as ViperJet kits have been produced, while the wording implies they have not. On the other hand, if the note is meant to say that kits are out of production (which needs a citation), shouldn't the aircraft be in the Dormant category? Granted, this is a kitbuilt aircraft apparently notorious for poor factory documentation, so there are presumably a number of uncompleted kits around. Carguychris ( talk) 18:16, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
I recently came across this article and found to my surprise that the limit to qualify as a Very Light Jet was just 10,000 lbs instead of the very significant regulatory threshold of 12,500 lbs (~5700 kg), which is close, yet a vastly more relevant weight cut-off from a buyer's, airport's and pilot's point of view. From my experience, any aircraft under 12,500 lbs generally has much lower airport fees, less strict rules on type ratings etc., all of which results in a less bureaucratic/formal/expensive aircraft operation, which is a large part of the selling point of a "personal jet", as they describe it in a previous paragraph in the article.
Do you think if would be appropriate to raise the weight limit? On a side note, what source originally instituted or arbitrarily set the limit at 10,000 lbs?
Cheers -- TheSkalman ( talk) 22:18, 25 January 2022 (UTC)