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The sentence "While Michiganders who grew up with it tend to like it, many other Americans are suspicious of it, as it doesn't taste like a "typical" ginger ale." is a bit narrow. While the drink is popular in Michigan I have noticed it sold across a much wider range of areas. Even in southern Ohio Vernor's is avaliable in most Wal-Marts, Drug Marts, gas stations, and at Krogers. Perhaps this sentence should redone to not specify Michiganders, and also redone with a wording more accurate than "suspicious". Perhaps "wary" is better? -- Deepraine ( talk) 00:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
The Vernors Store, which had been using the www.vernors.com URL will be transferring ownership of that URL to Dr Pepper Snapple Group effective July 5, 2008. The Vernors Store is now using the replacement www.thevernorsstore.com URL so we may be expecting a new official Vernors web site from DPSG soon with the www.vernors.com URL. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 22:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
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Is it really appropriate to call this a ginger ale? It doesn't call itself a ginger ale, and it differes from ginger ale in that it has vanilla, like creme soda. Its more of a ginger creme soda... and other sodas with ginger that arent traditional ginger ale are called by other names, ginger beer, etc. Jafafa Hots 09:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I remember the body text mentioning that the old recipe for Vernors used stevia before it was banned. (With part of this talk page's discussion referring to it.) Why was it edited out? I suspect that would have been true, since I've also noticed the change in formulation when the brand went outside its historical region. (And that Vernors was very late to the game in providing a Diet formulation, which would have been unneeded before.) -- DLWormwood ( talk) 14:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I've looked hard to find any references for these things. I can't find anything other than blog entries. At least those don't suffer from the Stevia problem - that not only were all the references in blog entries, most of them were using the Wikipedia article as a source. I cant' find anything that qualifies as a reliable source, so I'm taking these two out per WP:RS. Fladrif ( talk) 17:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I have added additional citations to back up the fact that the former Vernor's outlet in Flint, Michigan is today a Halo Burger restaurant. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 12:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
An anonymous IP editor unilaterally decided without sources that Vernors isn't ginger ale and changed all such references in the article. Nonsense. While the current slogan on cans and bottles may be "The Original Ginger Soda" the company has consistently called its product "ginger ale", as can be seen consistently throughout the source materials cited in the article. The original 1911 trademark application is for 'Goods and Services IC 032. US 045. G & S: GINGER-ALE AND GINGER-ALE EXTRACT. FIRST USE: 18800101. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 18800101" The Wonderlich book has hundreds of photographs and descriptions identifying the product as "Vernors Ginger Ale" from before 1900 to today. Contrary to the anonymous IP's unsourced assertion that "ginger ale" is the prohibition-era dry ginger ale product, Rouch's book correctly identifies "ginger ale" as a variant of ginger beer dating to the 1850's that relies on mechanical, rather than natural carbonation, resulting in a clear, rather than cloudy beverage. Vernors is most definitely a ginger ale, of the golden rather than dry type. I'm astonished that editors would simply let this go without question. Fladrif ( talk) 20:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I grew up in Michigan and left 1n 1978. I Found vernors at Winco in Idaho today. The taste is quite a bit different than I recall. It was bold and deliciously different, now it taste like cream soda. I imagine that the corn syrup, which is now in EVERYTHING, was not an original ingredient. I am betting they don't age it at all even though the can says "barrel aged 3 years". If that isn't a lie, than it isn't Oak barrels.
I remember the heavy carbonation used to tickle my nose. You had to let it breath if not mixing it with ice-cream. Not very carbonated any more, looses the fiz soon after opening. My can says; Manufactured by independant bottlers under the authority of Dr. Pepper/Seven up inc, Plano Tx. The Ingredients are Carbonated water, High fructose corn syrup, natural and artificial flavors, carmel color, citric acid, sodium bensozoate preservative.
I am sure that there has been a change, and I am opposed to it. It's like when they messed with coke. The new improvements are likely cost saving measures for higher profit. Maybe Plano Tx/ Dr Pepper, needs to take a trip to Detroit...if they still make it right up there. Jim Hackett
I'm not going to make any edits because I don't have any research or knowledge on the subject, but I'm sitting here drinking Vernors and I notice two things: 1) There's no apostrophe in Vernors on the can 2) The only motto on the can is "Barrel Aged, Bold Taste!™" "Deliciously Different" doesn't show up anywhere. Have these things changed since this article was written?
The apostrophe was dropped somewhere along the way. Thinking back I don't remember seeing it in the 80's, but that was a long time ago, so I might be wrong. I never drink the stuff now... too many bad memories of my mother giving to me when I was a kid and had the flu... The bottle slogan is still "Barrel Aged, Bold Taste!™", but to the best of my knowledge they've never abandoned "Deliciously Different" as a motto, it just doesn't appear on the bottles.-- Isotope23 16:34, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Then shouldn't this article be redirected to one called "Vernors", instead of "Vernor's", if the product/company no longer uses the apostrophe?
Just an observation which I did not feel was necessary to add to the article: I am going to college in Georgia and the local grocery store carries it. Delicious, by the way, but I couldn't find it on Wikipedia when I mistakenly tried to look up "Vernon's". Honestly, who's heard of anyone named "Vernor"?
I just bought a 6-pack in Huntsville, AL. Wouldn't that show this drink is more widespread than the article implies?
I remember my Grandmother telling me that it used to be VERY localized, you couldn't even get as far north as West branch. You can find it all over now.
Like Faygo, Vernor's is primarily found in Michigan but it is possible (although very uncommon) to find it in other states. Perhaps something along these lines should be added to the article. Bradkoch2007 21:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
While it may be true that it wasn't widely distributed, I remember drinking Vernor's in Los Angeles in the mid-1950's from large bottles....and it was fizzier and tastier than now...many California markets carry it nowadays.
---i'm on the west coast as well and I didn't notice a change in the bite until 2009. is it possible (since it's not a very popular soda out here) that all the vernors I had until I started noticing them going flat and flavorless had been older stock? it certainly sounds like its main market is Michigan, so if they had changed the recipe in say, 2007, it would be logical to assume that California couldn't be that high in distribution volume. 80% of sales are in MI alone! that means if you're anywhere else your region isn't going to be as heavily distributed to. and also, the leprechaun on the can used to be bigger, didn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.193.241.6 ( talk) 03:21, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I've found through experience that Vernor's mixes great with Crown Royal (at a ratio of about 1 part vernor's to 3.5-4 parts crown), but what else is it good with?
Try it with Egg Nog and Captain Morgan's....sort of like a Boston Cooler on Steroids!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.90.95.197 ( talk) 14:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Date reference to Boston Blvd. vs. the creation of Vernors in this section seems a non sequitur. It's only relevant if the cooler was supposed to be created by Vernor. However, the ginger ale likely antedates the cooler by some considerable time. Most stories suggest that the cooler was created at a soda fountain on Boston Blvd., but not that it was Vernor's soda fountain. 75.56.54.171 ( talk) 15:24, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
The Boston Boulevard being referenced is actually in the Detroit area and a Boston Cooler is traditionally A Vernors and Vanilla Ice Cream float — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.90.95.197 ( talk) 14:45, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
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The source is a bit dated and I am not sure if it would not pass WP:RS scrutiny (it apparently was published on a professional news website that started in 1901 but is now defunct -- see this archive.org page) but according to the author (and editor from the old news website) of this article
"Cristina Alfaro, public relations manager for Cadbury Schweppes Americas Beverages"
sent him an email on October 25, 2005 stating that Vernors is
"aged for three years in Oak Barrels"
.
Some other articles this guy wrote about Vernors can be found on this page under the "Soft Drinks" section. -- 172.88.134.103 ( talk) 06:02, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
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The sentence "While Michiganders who grew up with it tend to like it, many other Americans are suspicious of it, as it doesn't taste like a "typical" ginger ale." is a bit narrow. While the drink is popular in Michigan I have noticed it sold across a much wider range of areas. Even in southern Ohio Vernor's is avaliable in most Wal-Marts, Drug Marts, gas stations, and at Krogers. Perhaps this sentence should redone to not specify Michiganders, and also redone with a wording more accurate than "suspicious". Perhaps "wary" is better? -- Deepraine ( talk) 00:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
The Vernors Store, which had been using the www.vernors.com URL will be transferring ownership of that URL to Dr Pepper Snapple Group effective July 5, 2008. The Vernors Store is now using the replacement www.thevernorsstore.com URL so we may be expecting a new official Vernors web site from DPSG soon with the www.vernors.com URL. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 22:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
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Is it really appropriate to call this a ginger ale? It doesn't call itself a ginger ale, and it differes from ginger ale in that it has vanilla, like creme soda. Its more of a ginger creme soda... and other sodas with ginger that arent traditional ginger ale are called by other names, ginger beer, etc. Jafafa Hots 09:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I remember the body text mentioning that the old recipe for Vernors used stevia before it was banned. (With part of this talk page's discussion referring to it.) Why was it edited out? I suspect that would have been true, since I've also noticed the change in formulation when the brand went outside its historical region. (And that Vernors was very late to the game in providing a Diet formulation, which would have been unneeded before.) -- DLWormwood ( talk) 14:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I've looked hard to find any references for these things. I can't find anything other than blog entries. At least those don't suffer from the Stevia problem - that not only were all the references in blog entries, most of them were using the Wikipedia article as a source. I cant' find anything that qualifies as a reliable source, so I'm taking these two out per WP:RS. Fladrif ( talk) 17:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I have added additional citations to back up the fact that the former Vernor's outlet in Flint, Michigan is today a Halo Burger restaurant. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 12:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
An anonymous IP editor unilaterally decided without sources that Vernors isn't ginger ale and changed all such references in the article. Nonsense. While the current slogan on cans and bottles may be "The Original Ginger Soda" the company has consistently called its product "ginger ale", as can be seen consistently throughout the source materials cited in the article. The original 1911 trademark application is for 'Goods and Services IC 032. US 045. G & S: GINGER-ALE AND GINGER-ALE EXTRACT. FIRST USE: 18800101. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 18800101" The Wonderlich book has hundreds of photographs and descriptions identifying the product as "Vernors Ginger Ale" from before 1900 to today. Contrary to the anonymous IP's unsourced assertion that "ginger ale" is the prohibition-era dry ginger ale product, Rouch's book correctly identifies "ginger ale" as a variant of ginger beer dating to the 1850's that relies on mechanical, rather than natural carbonation, resulting in a clear, rather than cloudy beverage. Vernors is most definitely a ginger ale, of the golden rather than dry type. I'm astonished that editors would simply let this go without question. Fladrif ( talk) 20:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I grew up in Michigan and left 1n 1978. I Found vernors at Winco in Idaho today. The taste is quite a bit different than I recall. It was bold and deliciously different, now it taste like cream soda. I imagine that the corn syrup, which is now in EVERYTHING, was not an original ingredient. I am betting they don't age it at all even though the can says "barrel aged 3 years". If that isn't a lie, than it isn't Oak barrels.
I remember the heavy carbonation used to tickle my nose. You had to let it breath if not mixing it with ice-cream. Not very carbonated any more, looses the fiz soon after opening. My can says; Manufactured by independant bottlers under the authority of Dr. Pepper/Seven up inc, Plano Tx. The Ingredients are Carbonated water, High fructose corn syrup, natural and artificial flavors, carmel color, citric acid, sodium bensozoate preservative.
I am sure that there has been a change, and I am opposed to it. It's like when they messed with coke. The new improvements are likely cost saving measures for higher profit. Maybe Plano Tx/ Dr Pepper, needs to take a trip to Detroit...if they still make it right up there. Jim Hackett
I'm not going to make any edits because I don't have any research or knowledge on the subject, but I'm sitting here drinking Vernors and I notice two things: 1) There's no apostrophe in Vernors on the can 2) The only motto on the can is "Barrel Aged, Bold Taste!™" "Deliciously Different" doesn't show up anywhere. Have these things changed since this article was written?
The apostrophe was dropped somewhere along the way. Thinking back I don't remember seeing it in the 80's, but that was a long time ago, so I might be wrong. I never drink the stuff now... too many bad memories of my mother giving to me when I was a kid and had the flu... The bottle slogan is still "Barrel Aged, Bold Taste!™", but to the best of my knowledge they've never abandoned "Deliciously Different" as a motto, it just doesn't appear on the bottles.-- Isotope23 16:34, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Then shouldn't this article be redirected to one called "Vernors", instead of "Vernor's", if the product/company no longer uses the apostrophe?
Just an observation which I did not feel was necessary to add to the article: I am going to college in Georgia and the local grocery store carries it. Delicious, by the way, but I couldn't find it on Wikipedia when I mistakenly tried to look up "Vernon's". Honestly, who's heard of anyone named "Vernor"?
I just bought a 6-pack in Huntsville, AL. Wouldn't that show this drink is more widespread than the article implies?
I remember my Grandmother telling me that it used to be VERY localized, you couldn't even get as far north as West branch. You can find it all over now.
Like Faygo, Vernor's is primarily found in Michigan but it is possible (although very uncommon) to find it in other states. Perhaps something along these lines should be added to the article. Bradkoch2007 21:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
While it may be true that it wasn't widely distributed, I remember drinking Vernor's in Los Angeles in the mid-1950's from large bottles....and it was fizzier and tastier than now...many California markets carry it nowadays.
---i'm on the west coast as well and I didn't notice a change in the bite until 2009. is it possible (since it's not a very popular soda out here) that all the vernors I had until I started noticing them going flat and flavorless had been older stock? it certainly sounds like its main market is Michigan, so if they had changed the recipe in say, 2007, it would be logical to assume that California couldn't be that high in distribution volume. 80% of sales are in MI alone! that means if you're anywhere else your region isn't going to be as heavily distributed to. and also, the leprechaun on the can used to be bigger, didn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.193.241.6 ( talk) 03:21, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I've found through experience that Vernor's mixes great with Crown Royal (at a ratio of about 1 part vernor's to 3.5-4 parts crown), but what else is it good with?
Try it with Egg Nog and Captain Morgan's....sort of like a Boston Cooler on Steroids!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.90.95.197 ( talk) 14:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Date reference to Boston Blvd. vs. the creation of Vernors in this section seems a non sequitur. It's only relevant if the cooler was supposed to be created by Vernor. However, the ginger ale likely antedates the cooler by some considerable time. Most stories suggest that the cooler was created at a soda fountain on Boston Blvd., but not that it was Vernor's soda fountain. 75.56.54.171 ( talk) 15:24, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
The Boston Boulevard being referenced is actually in the Detroit area and a Boston Cooler is traditionally A Vernors and Vanilla Ice Cream float — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.90.95.197 ( talk) 14:45, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
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The source is a bit dated and I am not sure if it would not pass WP:RS scrutiny (it apparently was published on a professional news website that started in 1901 but is now defunct -- see this archive.org page) but according to the author (and editor from the old news website) of this article
"Cristina Alfaro, public relations manager for Cadbury Schweppes Americas Beverages"
sent him an email on October 25, 2005 stating that Vernors is
"aged for three years in Oak Barrels"
.
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