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La villa rica de la vera cruz, is spanish. In catalan it is: La vila rica de la vera creu (the rich town of the red cross). From the royal flag, a red cross on white background (Saint George cross).
I think the second half of this article needs to be moved to the veracruz city page.
As many vandalisms as this page seems to have suffered, I'm guessing this is the product of one. (Vandalism is among the most despicable activities humans have managed to invent).
It seems to me very improbable that the second most populous city in Veracruz is Orizaba, as the text now says. Probably it would be Mina-Coatza, then Xalapa, or Córdoba, and Orizaba below any of these. Anybody have the population statistics handy enough to check this out. I don't have them or the time to look for them.
-- Lavintzin 01:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Veracruz city population link: World Gazetteer: Largest Cities in Veracruz
The basic idea, copied here for your viewing:
Veracruz city populations As of 2000:
Veracruz 535473
Xalapa 373076
Coatza 225973
Poza Rica 170819
Mina 148896
Cordoba 132091
Orizaba 118552
Even combined, Coatza and Mina don't even come close to the population of el Puerto. I wouldn't exactly call them a metropolis either, as there is about 10 miles of swamp separating them. Combine them with nearby cities such as Allende, and las Choapas, and you're still not there, especially if you do Veracruz the same favor and add in Boca del Rio, etc. I'll change the first paragraph to adequately reflect this.
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KÆN
18:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
PS I checked with Mexico's census bureau (CONAPO) and the numbers are a little different, but Veracruz is still without a doubt the largest city in Veracruz. Interestingly enough, its also larger than Tampico, making it the largest city on the Gulf Coast, but the population of metropolitan Tampico (including Altamira, Cuidad Madero, Tampico Alto, etc) is likely somewhat larger than Metropolitan Veracruz (whose only other significant population contributer is Boca del Rio, as far as I know). Also interestingly enough, CONAPO projects that Xalapa's population will surpass that of Veracruz by 2010. Technicalities.... but interesting! link to CONAPO population data --KÆN 22:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
For Mexico, one has to be careful in what is considered a "city" in the normal sense of the word. In Mexico, the only legal "cities" are the municipios, which consist of a central city plus the surrounding area, and can best be compared to a U.S. " county". Municipios are divided into localidades, which are probably more comparable to what most people define as "cities". These localidades, however, have no legal function, but are only geographical parts of a municipio. They have no local government, but are subject to the municipio's government.
In light of that statement, here are the largest municipios of Veracruz, according to the latest 2005 Mexican census:
Here are the largest localidades It is important to note that there are two localidades named Veracruz, and two named Minatitlán. All localidades are in the municipio of the same (or very similar) name except as noted:
I hope that this helps to settle some debates.
You can find documentation for all this at INEGI
Does this make any sense to anyone?
"The official of this Mexican state was Veracruz-Llave from ..."
I'm interested in knowing what were the pre columbian Indian populations of Veracruz, what languages they spoke, and what's left of these languages nowadays (including speaking populations, and whether they are primary languages, secondary/family home languages, or relegated to patois/backwater language status). Does anybody know a good source for such information? -- Svartalf 19:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
For Veracruz to be represented at the Rose Bowl parade is a major achievement. This should not be removed without discussion and consensus. Ronbo76 21:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
the picture titled "new housing developments in the city" refers to an image not anywhere in the city —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.148.131.64 ( talk) 03:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Should this article be called Veracruz (municipality)? Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 20:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
STATUE OF HERNAN CORTÉS, FOUNDER OF VERACRUZ
There is any statue of the founder of the city of Veracruz, Hernán Cortés? -- 79.144.102.40 ( talk) 01:59, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Veracruz (city). Consensus indicates that this option has the most support. What (if anything) happens to Veracruz, Veracruz (state) and Veracruz (disambiguation) require separate discussion. Philg88 ♦ talk 09:12, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Veracruz, Veracruz →
Veracruz City – I think anyone would agree that the name of the city is
Veracruz, but of course that name is taken by the Mexican state. It makes more sense to me that we would follow the examples of
New York City,
Chihuahua City,
Mexico City,
Guatemala City, etc., and move the article to the "X City" title.
Red
Slash
02:19, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
As this might have some bearing on the RM discussion, is the state of Veracruz really the primary topic and not the city? If not, move the state article instead and free up " Veracruz" for the city. — AjaxSmack 02:02, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 20:24, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Veracruz (city) → Veracruz City – This move has been requested and moved before from WP:RM/T, but it was moved back. Original request: accepted and moved and then the page was moved back.
Original Reasoning:
" WP:TITLECON with every other Mexican state capital. See links on List of states of Mexico. Individual cities links: (note that Veracruz is the only outlier of the format) Aguascalientes City, Chihuahua City, Colima City, Guanajuato City, Oaxaca City, San Luis Potosí City, Tlaxcala City, and Zacatecas City. Also, the WP:NATURALDAB for cities with the same name as their region is Place + City, as seen with Luxembourg City (Officially just Luxembourg, same with all the other cases here) Quebec City, New York City, and Djibouti City."
Moved this from a contested RM/T. BhamBoi ( talk) 17:36, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Aguascalientes City that might affect this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — Moscow Mule ( talk) 21:56, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
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La villa rica de la vera cruz, is spanish. In catalan it is: La vila rica de la vera creu (the rich town of the red cross). From the royal flag, a red cross on white background (Saint George cross).
I think the second half of this article needs to be moved to the veracruz city page.
As many vandalisms as this page seems to have suffered, I'm guessing this is the product of one. (Vandalism is among the most despicable activities humans have managed to invent).
It seems to me very improbable that the second most populous city in Veracruz is Orizaba, as the text now says. Probably it would be Mina-Coatza, then Xalapa, or Córdoba, and Orizaba below any of these. Anybody have the population statistics handy enough to check this out. I don't have them or the time to look for them.
-- Lavintzin 01:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Veracruz city population link: World Gazetteer: Largest Cities in Veracruz
The basic idea, copied here for your viewing:
Veracruz city populations As of 2000:
Veracruz 535473
Xalapa 373076
Coatza 225973
Poza Rica 170819
Mina 148896
Cordoba 132091
Orizaba 118552
Even combined, Coatza and Mina don't even come close to the population of el Puerto. I wouldn't exactly call them a metropolis either, as there is about 10 miles of swamp separating them. Combine them with nearby cities such as Allende, and las Choapas, and you're still not there, especially if you do Veracruz the same favor and add in Boca del Rio, etc. I'll change the first paragraph to adequately reflect this.
--
KÆN
18:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
PS I checked with Mexico's census bureau (CONAPO) and the numbers are a little different, but Veracruz is still without a doubt the largest city in Veracruz. Interestingly enough, its also larger than Tampico, making it the largest city on the Gulf Coast, but the population of metropolitan Tampico (including Altamira, Cuidad Madero, Tampico Alto, etc) is likely somewhat larger than Metropolitan Veracruz (whose only other significant population contributer is Boca del Rio, as far as I know). Also interestingly enough, CONAPO projects that Xalapa's population will surpass that of Veracruz by 2010. Technicalities.... but interesting! link to CONAPO population data --KÆN 22:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
For Mexico, one has to be careful in what is considered a "city" in the normal sense of the word. In Mexico, the only legal "cities" are the municipios, which consist of a central city plus the surrounding area, and can best be compared to a U.S. " county". Municipios are divided into localidades, which are probably more comparable to what most people define as "cities". These localidades, however, have no legal function, but are only geographical parts of a municipio. They have no local government, but are subject to the municipio's government.
In light of that statement, here are the largest municipios of Veracruz, according to the latest 2005 Mexican census:
Here are the largest localidades It is important to note that there are two localidades named Veracruz, and two named Minatitlán. All localidades are in the municipio of the same (or very similar) name except as noted:
I hope that this helps to settle some debates.
You can find documentation for all this at INEGI
Does this make any sense to anyone?
"The official of this Mexican state was Veracruz-Llave from ..."
I'm interested in knowing what were the pre columbian Indian populations of Veracruz, what languages they spoke, and what's left of these languages nowadays (including speaking populations, and whether they are primary languages, secondary/family home languages, or relegated to patois/backwater language status). Does anybody know a good source for such information? -- Svartalf 19:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
For Veracruz to be represented at the Rose Bowl parade is a major achievement. This should not be removed without discussion and consensus. Ronbo76 21:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
the picture titled "new housing developments in the city" refers to an image not anywhere in the city —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.148.131.64 ( talk) 03:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Should this article be called Veracruz (municipality)? Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 20:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
STATUE OF HERNAN CORTÉS, FOUNDER OF VERACRUZ
There is any statue of the founder of the city of Veracruz, Hernán Cortés? -- 79.144.102.40 ( talk) 01:59, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Veracruz (city). Consensus indicates that this option has the most support. What (if anything) happens to Veracruz, Veracruz (state) and Veracruz (disambiguation) require separate discussion. Philg88 ♦ talk 09:12, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Veracruz, Veracruz →
Veracruz City – I think anyone would agree that the name of the city is
Veracruz, but of course that name is taken by the Mexican state. It makes more sense to me that we would follow the examples of
New York City,
Chihuahua City,
Mexico City,
Guatemala City, etc., and move the article to the "X City" title.
Red
Slash
02:19, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
As this might have some bearing on the RM discussion, is the state of Veracruz really the primary topic and not the city? If not, move the state article instead and free up " Veracruz" for the city. — AjaxSmack 02:02, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 20:24, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Veracruz (city) → Veracruz City – This move has been requested and moved before from WP:RM/T, but it was moved back. Original request: accepted and moved and then the page was moved back.
Original Reasoning:
" WP:TITLECON with every other Mexican state capital. See links on List of states of Mexico. Individual cities links: (note that Veracruz is the only outlier of the format) Aguascalientes City, Chihuahua City, Colima City, Guanajuato City, Oaxaca City, San Luis Potosí City, Tlaxcala City, and Zacatecas City. Also, the WP:NATURALDAB for cities with the same name as their region is Place + City, as seen with Luxembourg City (Officially just Luxembourg, same with all the other cases here) Quebec City, New York City, and Djibouti City."
Moved this from a contested RM/T. BhamBoi ( talk) 17:36, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Aguascalientes City that might affect this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — Moscow Mule ( talk) 21:56, 2 February 2023 (UTC)