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I corrected grammar in the "lede" section. This Wikipedia entry needs an update. Flibbertigibbets ( talk) 20:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Some weeks ago, The Financial Times published an exclusive report saying that opposition parties were considering in withdrawing recognition to Guaidó as president of Venezuela. With upcoming presidential elections in 2024, I think that we can decide to finally put an end date to the presidential crisis and the infobox, specifically on 5 January 2023, date when Guaidó's term would be up for renewal. Any details regarding the consequences can likewise be discussed here. NoonIcarus ( talk) 00:46, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
A discussion related to the map was started at Talk:Responses to the Venezuelan presidential crisis#Colombia and Bolivia. Interested editors can participate there. NoonIcarus ( talk) 22:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
There is an ongoing breach of WP:BRD here (a polite way of saying edit warring) to introduce and give UNDUE weight to one journalist's opinions (Neuman), while removing less biased sources in favor of Neuman's account. Neuman is a journalist who is decidedly anti-Guaido and anti-Trump); his book focuses on and gives a worthy account of the 2019 Venezuela blackouts; other than that, his opinions on Guaido and the U.S. are no more or less worthy than any other reliable source.
I can understand the temptation to read one version of complex events, and think that account answers everything, but a long series of changes here need to be reverted and discussed individually, to remove the UNDUE weight now given to one account, which also at times still puts Neuman's opinions in WikiVoice, in favor of other less biased sources. There has been ZERO discussion of these controversial edits on talk as of 26 October, multiple breaches of WP:BRD, and the article is now to a point that it is difficult to know to which version to revert to correct these problems. Neuman's book has a place in the article; it should not be the basis for most of the article, and Neuman's views have been extensively added as fact ( 7 September, 24 October, again on 26 October).
Separately, WMrapids, the citations at 2020 Venezuelan Operation Gideon show how to more completely cite Neuman's book, as ebooks don't contain page numbers, it is hard to locate the content you cite if you don't provide chapters-- page numbers alone don't agree across different versions. When citing Neuman, please provide the chapter as done at 2020 Venezuelan Operation Gideon. And please stop editwarring; engage talk when reverting in controversial edits. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:08, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
This policy does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources, such as deletion discussions or policy noticeboards.As I explained before, this is the normal collaborative process by which we discuss sources on talk page. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:17, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
But that's normal, if you're only considering reliable sources those that broadcast and amplify the western point of view, in the end when it comes to other countries, wikipedia is just a modern mouthpiece of state department. 79.167.167.110 ( talk) 21:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Please see the following Request for Comment at President of Venezuela:
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I corrected grammar in the "lede" section. This Wikipedia entry needs an update. Flibbertigibbets ( talk) 20:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Some weeks ago, The Financial Times published an exclusive report saying that opposition parties were considering in withdrawing recognition to Guaidó as president of Venezuela. With upcoming presidential elections in 2024, I think that we can decide to finally put an end date to the presidential crisis and the infobox, specifically on 5 January 2023, date when Guaidó's term would be up for renewal. Any details regarding the consequences can likewise be discussed here. NoonIcarus ( talk) 00:46, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
A discussion related to the map was started at Talk:Responses to the Venezuelan presidential crisis#Colombia and Bolivia. Interested editors can participate there. NoonIcarus ( talk) 22:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
There is an ongoing breach of WP:BRD here (a polite way of saying edit warring) to introduce and give UNDUE weight to one journalist's opinions (Neuman), while removing less biased sources in favor of Neuman's account. Neuman is a journalist who is decidedly anti-Guaido and anti-Trump); his book focuses on and gives a worthy account of the 2019 Venezuela blackouts; other than that, his opinions on Guaido and the U.S. are no more or less worthy than any other reliable source.
I can understand the temptation to read one version of complex events, and think that account answers everything, but a long series of changes here need to be reverted and discussed individually, to remove the UNDUE weight now given to one account, which also at times still puts Neuman's opinions in WikiVoice, in favor of other less biased sources. There has been ZERO discussion of these controversial edits on talk as of 26 October, multiple breaches of WP:BRD, and the article is now to a point that it is difficult to know to which version to revert to correct these problems. Neuman's book has a place in the article; it should not be the basis for most of the article, and Neuman's views have been extensively added as fact ( 7 September, 24 October, again on 26 October).
Separately, WMrapids, the citations at 2020 Venezuelan Operation Gideon show how to more completely cite Neuman's book, as ebooks don't contain page numbers, it is hard to locate the content you cite if you don't provide chapters-- page numbers alone don't agree across different versions. When citing Neuman, please provide the chapter as done at 2020 Venezuelan Operation Gideon. And please stop editwarring; engage talk when reverting in controversial edits. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:08, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
This policy does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources, such as deletion discussions or policy noticeboards.As I explained before, this is the normal collaborative process by which we discuss sources on talk page. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:17, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
But that's normal, if you're only considering reliable sources those that broadcast and amplify the western point of view, in the end when it comes to other countries, wikipedia is just a modern mouthpiece of state department. 79.167.167.110 ( talk) 21:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Please see the following Request for Comment at President of Venezuela: