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the mujahideen took a role in this massacre according to the sources http://realitymacedoniaarchives.blogspot.de/2001/10/nla-mujahedeens-commited-vejce.html http://realitymacedoniaarchives.blogspot.de/2001/10/nla-mujahedeens-commited-vejce.html those where the ones in english the rest are in macedonian Locallocallocal ( talk) 10:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Here are sources saying that Al Qaeda is involved http://realitymacedoniaarchives.blogspot.de/2001/10/nla-mujahedeens-commited-vejce.htmlhttp://realitymacedoniaarchives.blogspot.de/2001/10/nla-mujahedeens-commited-vejce.html https://web.archive.org/web/20141219194812/http://www.sitel.com.mk/mudzhahedini-vo-makedonija-dojdoa-se-borea-zaminaa-sega-se-tuka-nivnite-uchenici-0 the rest are in Macedonian Based guyy ( talk) 21:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
In the article we have the wording "massacre" used. I copy the meaning about massacre: "the act or an instance of killing a number of usually helpless or unresisting human beings under circumstances of atrocity or cruelty"
by that definition the "usually helpless" is simply not fulfilled here. We talk about a military ambush on military units who had weapons themselves. That's why it was internationally never called a massacre. The narrative the Macedonian government tried to tell was of course it was a massacre by calling it like that. But it is by definition an ambush and nothing else. In my eyes it is lacking objectivity if we use "or Vejce massacre" because it is simply not a massacre. ECasio ( talk) 00:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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the mujahideen took a role in this massacre according to the sources http://realitymacedoniaarchives.blogspot.de/2001/10/nla-mujahedeens-commited-vejce.html http://realitymacedoniaarchives.blogspot.de/2001/10/nla-mujahedeens-commited-vejce.html those where the ones in english the rest are in macedonian Locallocallocal ( talk) 10:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Here are sources saying that Al Qaeda is involved http://realitymacedoniaarchives.blogspot.de/2001/10/nla-mujahedeens-commited-vejce.htmlhttp://realitymacedoniaarchives.blogspot.de/2001/10/nla-mujahedeens-commited-vejce.html https://web.archive.org/web/20141219194812/http://www.sitel.com.mk/mudzhahedini-vo-makedonija-dojdoa-se-borea-zaminaa-sega-se-tuka-nivnite-uchenici-0 the rest are in Macedonian Based guyy ( talk) 21:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
In the article we have the wording "massacre" used. I copy the meaning about massacre: "the act or an instance of killing a number of usually helpless or unresisting human beings under circumstances of atrocity or cruelty"
by that definition the "usually helpless" is simply not fulfilled here. We talk about a military ambush on military units who had weapons themselves. That's why it was internationally never called a massacre. The narrative the Macedonian government tried to tell was of course it was a massacre by calling it like that. But it is by definition an ambush and nothing else. In my eyes it is lacking objectivity if we use "or Vejce massacre" because it is simply not a massacre. ECasio ( talk) 00:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)