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episodes What the world is this trashy episode list? Someone changed the episode list to say magic tree house titles instead of the veggietales episodes. I keep changeing it to make it correct, but then it just gets changed back to magic tree house. I really think that as a christian, it is offensive to take an article on a christian tv show and change it drastically for laughs. So, whatever idiots are changeing this article are no friends of mine. You don't mess with the wizard of video games. That's right. I don't give my real name. But for those who want me to have a name, call me by my video game name, Wizard. Nobody messes with the Wizard. Whoever changed this article should be thrown in jail. If it was up to me, I would throw the idiot in jail. Take that, nonchristian sucker! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.249.97.138 ( talk) 15:40, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey guys. I, The Wizard, have stumbled upon another article that really bugs me. It turns out that, chitty chitty bang bang is both a book and a movie. The movie is based on the book. However, the movie has the main article for chitty chitty bang bang, while the novel's article is called chitty chitty bang bang (novel). I looked on the talk page to see why this was so, and discovered that it is because the movie is way more famous than the book. However, they didn't seem to want to do do this with the wizard of oz article, which bugs me. I don't know how to change the chitty article, so can you do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.249.97.228 ( talk) 23:31, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
This article talk page is for discussing improvements to the article, not for... whatever that was. - SummerPhD v2.0 18:29, 2 September 2015 (UTC) |
Does anyone have any of the reasons why this link is dead? I replaced it in two references with the same link archived in the WayBack Machine Archive under the Fox News website. Have a look at the article's history page and you'll see what I mean. 68.224.119.202 ( talk) 01:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
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what up dudes somebody has locked this page so I cannot make an extremely urgent edit. Somebody doesn't know the difference between it's and its. Its a shame really. Case in point: "it's children's network" - this should be "its". We don't want people to think the writers of the VeggieTales wikipedia article are uneducated now, do we? 2001:630:301:5242:E13E:36A1:800B:E9A7 ( talk) 16:27, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I think we need to figure out how, globally, we wish to address the Cast section for VeggieTales content. Many articles, like Lyle the Kindly Viking, The Star of Christmas, and Robin Good and His Not-So-Merry Men contain these really bizarre in-universe cast sections with content like:
Then you get these really weird characters who have "names" that are descriptions:
To clarify what's happening here, there are a few main VeggieTales characters, I surmise, and they act out Bible-centric stories as different characters. So the character of Larry the Cucumber might act out a story as Larry the Clown, or whatever. Anyhow, it seems like a no-brainer that we should stop presenting the cast from in-universe and take a clue from A Snoodle's Tale and present the content like this instead:
The Strange Case of Dr. Jiggle and Mr. Sly
I checked the closing credits for Lyle the Kindly Viking. They do present credits in a style like this:
This corresponds with the proposed improved format above. In this case, Phil Vischer voices the character of Jimmy, who is acting out a story as another character, Omelet.
Lastly, in looking in the credits for Kindly Viking, I don't see any of the "England Man with Light Brown Top Hat" stuff. I'm guessing these are unnamed characters who populate the backgrounds, who probably aren't voiced, whose names are probably entirely manufactured by fans, (note that England Man seems to exist almost entirely at Wikia) and who are almost certainly not noteworthy. One tangential issue is that these articles are heavily vandalized, and if we change the cast lists, they will almost certainly be changed back to the problematic versions. So I'd like to establish clear consensus now to help combat that. Appreciate any input, thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 19:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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The first sentence should mention that it is a tv show as well as a series of animated films. 173.79.18.20 ( talk) 20:48, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm proposing that VeggieTales in the House and VeggieTales in the City be merged here. They don't have sufficient RS to justify separate articles and having extensive plot synopses is just ridiculous for a kids' show. Famous dog (c) 12:36, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
[sic] should be removed from the quote "if NBC is so concerned about that four-letter-word God [sic]". L. Brent Bozell is using four-letter word to mean that God is a dirty word, not that it has four letters. [sic] does not appear in the Fox News story either; it's either a mistake or it violates WP:NPOV. 74.215.210.150 ( talk) 17:50, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Every once and a while, we get an editor who decides that a show that is clearly intended for young children is really for teens or teens and adults or everybody... basically that the show must be for people like them because they watch it.
They start removing categories, adding material from reddit or whatever and insisting that Arthur, Sid the Science Kid, Little Bill, VeggieTales, 3-2-1 Penguins!, etc. are really shows that adults pop on at 10 PM and watch because they want to brush up on early literacy concepts, dealing with basic emotions and simplified morality.
I find the sources that say unequivocally that the show is aimed at pre-schoolers, kids 4 to 8 or whatever. I add it to the article. The editor removes it and adds mealy-mouthed, unsourced/poorly sourced claims to the contrary. I pull more sources and flesh it out with the target audience, and the producers research into early childhood pedagogy. This continues until the other editor gets themselves blocked while material builds up in the article until we have an extensive section on every aspect of the show being designed to pull in the little kids (with small nods to the bored adults stuck watching it with the kids). Alternately, I add the target audience with reliable sources and the other editor accepts that the article will be based on verifiability and reliable sources.
We're heading down that road here. This show, a cartoon with singing vegetables teaching dumbed down morality, has producers offering preschool lesson plans based on the show. It's rated TV-Y. When it aired, it was part of preschool blocks when older kids are in school and many adults are working.
You can watch whatever you want (kids: get your parents' permission first!). You can enjoy things that aren't aimed at you. Maybe you're 12 and love "Murder She Wrote". Maybe you snack on communion wafers dipped in baby food. Whatever. Knock yourself out. If everyone is the same as everyone else, the world would be boring as hell. That said, a Wikipedia article about a kids' show should say it is intended for kids. - SummerPhD v2.0 18:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
VeggieTales can't be cancelled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.77.112.251 ( talk) 17:57, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Where did you hear that VeggieTales was cancelled? 50.43.26.34 ( talk) 00:46, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
But VeggieTales is going to be a new episode in Fall 2018. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.77.112.251 ( talk) 18:12, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Lyrick Studios had a Veggie Tales page at http://web.archive.org/web/19981201201824/http://www.lyrickstudios.com/html/veggie.html though I see little content... WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:43, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Why didn't Lionsgate team up with NBCUniversal when it bought DreamWorks? 2601:1C2:1400:4426:3C05:5C8A:57E6:3136 ( talk) 02:00, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Once again, @ Larry LightYear: has included primary sources, content that is not important or encyclopedic, bad headings, links to disambiguation pages rather than the supposed article, WP:OVERLINKs, and multiple MoS violations. I'm afraid that the editing is not getting better and it's all happening without explanation. Other than an administrative board, possibly WP:AN, are there any suggestions to fixing these problems? @ SummerPhDv2.0: your input would be appreciated. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 23:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
I think that we should change the title of this article to "VeggieTales (franchise)". When this article first started, all that VeggieTales was is a video series. But now, it's more than that, with 2 Netflix series, and 1 upcoming TBN series. In addition, I think we should make the original video series into a separate article, because VeggieTales in the House, VeggieTales in the City, and The VeggieTales Show all have separate articles, and the original video series is treated like it IS the franchise, but that is not true. The franchise may have started with the original video series, but it has grown out of it, and has become a multi-show franchise. AdonisTheEditor ( talk) 17:32, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
I think #1 would be the best option. JATheEditor ( talk) 20:29, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
It's been a year. It might be time for the split. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 19:19, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
@Walter Görlitz: I agree. JATheEditor ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
The article is frequented by multiple IPs and has a lot of traffic. I suggest that we should proceed with the suggested split now as there have been no voices of dissent. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 19:34, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi. I just want to explain my edits and explain why they are an improvement.
-- Escape Orbit (Talk) 16:36, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
This source mentions The Mystery of Veggie Island was released on September 15 not 3rd. Also it mentions the third game was released in November not October https://web.archive.org/web/20020305134828/http://www.hive4media.com:80/news/html/Product_article.cfm?article_id=2625 Timur9008 ( talk) 5:18, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
How is this not in the article?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:17, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
I've been working on splitting this article in my sandboxes and have found that a stand-alone article on the 1993 video series would be too small ( User:JAYFAX/VeggieTales_(1993_video_series)). I don't agree with one of the arguments that splitting the article would make make it more structurally balanced (i.e. since there is a separate article for various series, therefore we need a separate article for the videos), the logical conclusion would be that we'd also need to create a separate article for the 2006 NBC series, which too would be inappropriately small. There would be little value in having this article just about the franchise.
What actually needs to happen is that this article needs to be cleaned up. The lead section is too long and does not summarise that VeggieTales is fundamentally a video and television series, that just-so happened to spawn a franchise of related media. Cutting the lead to a few paragraphs would solve half the problem here. The other half would be to structure the article in a way to give due notability to the video series, the subsequent television series, and television
I will remove the split template. The consensus here has basically expired, and I suppose I'm entitled to do that as the only person who has actually attempted and empirically assessed the value of a split. Cleaning up the lead is the priority here. JAYFAX ( talk) 20:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Source for "in 1999 and 2000, at the height of its popularity, the videos outsold every other kids' property at the time."? I have tried to research this and have only found copies of this line at various locations with no actual source or number behind it. I would love to know more but also think that such a wild claim should come with a source attached. If anyone has any knowledge or information about this, I would love if it were added. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdftba ( talk • contribs) 08:37, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
The true crime mentions towards the top (along with bits like the unabomber veggie tales movie) are almost certainly vandalism, no? 172.222.225.26 ( talk) 22:50, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
So, why does it seem like people are insisting that December 21st is the premiere date for the series, when it was said by Phil Vischer that the first episode/video was finished on the 20th, the copies were shipped out on the 22nd, and received by people either on the 23rd or the 26th (depending on the mail)? Jteka9870 ( talk) 16:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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episodes What the world is this trashy episode list? Someone changed the episode list to say magic tree house titles instead of the veggietales episodes. I keep changeing it to make it correct, but then it just gets changed back to magic tree house. I really think that as a christian, it is offensive to take an article on a christian tv show and change it drastically for laughs. So, whatever idiots are changeing this article are no friends of mine. You don't mess with the wizard of video games. That's right. I don't give my real name. But for those who want me to have a name, call me by my video game name, Wizard. Nobody messes with the Wizard. Whoever changed this article should be thrown in jail. If it was up to me, I would throw the idiot in jail. Take that, nonchristian sucker! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.249.97.138 ( talk) 15:40, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey guys. I, The Wizard, have stumbled upon another article that really bugs me. It turns out that, chitty chitty bang bang is both a book and a movie. The movie is based on the book. However, the movie has the main article for chitty chitty bang bang, while the novel's article is called chitty chitty bang bang (novel). I looked on the talk page to see why this was so, and discovered that it is because the movie is way more famous than the book. However, they didn't seem to want to do do this with the wizard of oz article, which bugs me. I don't know how to change the chitty article, so can you do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.249.97.228 ( talk) 23:31, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
This article talk page is for discussing improvements to the article, not for... whatever that was. - SummerPhD v2.0 18:29, 2 September 2015 (UTC) |
Does anyone have any of the reasons why this link is dead? I replaced it in two references with the same link archived in the WayBack Machine Archive under the Fox News website. Have a look at the article's history page and you'll see what I mean. 68.224.119.202 ( talk) 01:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
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what up dudes somebody has locked this page so I cannot make an extremely urgent edit. Somebody doesn't know the difference between it's and its. Its a shame really. Case in point: "it's children's network" - this should be "its". We don't want people to think the writers of the VeggieTales wikipedia article are uneducated now, do we? 2001:630:301:5242:E13E:36A1:800B:E9A7 ( talk) 16:27, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I think we need to figure out how, globally, we wish to address the Cast section for VeggieTales content. Many articles, like Lyle the Kindly Viking, The Star of Christmas, and Robin Good and His Not-So-Merry Men contain these really bizarre in-universe cast sections with content like:
Then you get these really weird characters who have "names" that are descriptions:
To clarify what's happening here, there are a few main VeggieTales characters, I surmise, and they act out Bible-centric stories as different characters. So the character of Larry the Cucumber might act out a story as Larry the Clown, or whatever. Anyhow, it seems like a no-brainer that we should stop presenting the cast from in-universe and take a clue from A Snoodle's Tale and present the content like this instead:
The Strange Case of Dr. Jiggle and Mr. Sly
I checked the closing credits for Lyle the Kindly Viking. They do present credits in a style like this:
This corresponds with the proposed improved format above. In this case, Phil Vischer voices the character of Jimmy, who is acting out a story as another character, Omelet.
Lastly, in looking in the credits for Kindly Viking, I don't see any of the "England Man with Light Brown Top Hat" stuff. I'm guessing these are unnamed characters who populate the backgrounds, who probably aren't voiced, whose names are probably entirely manufactured by fans, (note that England Man seems to exist almost entirely at Wikia) and who are almost certainly not noteworthy. One tangential issue is that these articles are heavily vandalized, and if we change the cast lists, they will almost certainly be changed back to the problematic versions. So I'd like to establish clear consensus now to help combat that. Appreciate any input, thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 19:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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The first sentence should mention that it is a tv show as well as a series of animated films. 173.79.18.20 ( talk) 20:48, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm proposing that VeggieTales in the House and VeggieTales in the City be merged here. They don't have sufficient RS to justify separate articles and having extensive plot synopses is just ridiculous for a kids' show. Famous dog (c) 12:36, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
[sic] should be removed from the quote "if NBC is so concerned about that four-letter-word God [sic]". L. Brent Bozell is using four-letter word to mean that God is a dirty word, not that it has four letters. [sic] does not appear in the Fox News story either; it's either a mistake or it violates WP:NPOV. 74.215.210.150 ( talk) 17:50, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Every once and a while, we get an editor who decides that a show that is clearly intended for young children is really for teens or teens and adults or everybody... basically that the show must be for people like them because they watch it.
They start removing categories, adding material from reddit or whatever and insisting that Arthur, Sid the Science Kid, Little Bill, VeggieTales, 3-2-1 Penguins!, etc. are really shows that adults pop on at 10 PM and watch because they want to brush up on early literacy concepts, dealing with basic emotions and simplified morality.
I find the sources that say unequivocally that the show is aimed at pre-schoolers, kids 4 to 8 or whatever. I add it to the article. The editor removes it and adds mealy-mouthed, unsourced/poorly sourced claims to the contrary. I pull more sources and flesh it out with the target audience, and the producers research into early childhood pedagogy. This continues until the other editor gets themselves blocked while material builds up in the article until we have an extensive section on every aspect of the show being designed to pull in the little kids (with small nods to the bored adults stuck watching it with the kids). Alternately, I add the target audience with reliable sources and the other editor accepts that the article will be based on verifiability and reliable sources.
We're heading down that road here. This show, a cartoon with singing vegetables teaching dumbed down morality, has producers offering preschool lesson plans based on the show. It's rated TV-Y. When it aired, it was part of preschool blocks when older kids are in school and many adults are working.
You can watch whatever you want (kids: get your parents' permission first!). You can enjoy things that aren't aimed at you. Maybe you're 12 and love "Murder She Wrote". Maybe you snack on communion wafers dipped in baby food. Whatever. Knock yourself out. If everyone is the same as everyone else, the world would be boring as hell. That said, a Wikipedia article about a kids' show should say it is intended for kids. - SummerPhD v2.0 18:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
VeggieTales can't be cancelled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.77.112.251 ( talk) 17:57, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Where did you hear that VeggieTales was cancelled? 50.43.26.34 ( talk) 00:46, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
But VeggieTales is going to be a new episode in Fall 2018. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.77.112.251 ( talk) 18:12, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Lyrick Studios had a Veggie Tales page at http://web.archive.org/web/19981201201824/http://www.lyrickstudios.com/html/veggie.html though I see little content... WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:43, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Why didn't Lionsgate team up with NBCUniversal when it bought DreamWorks? 2601:1C2:1400:4426:3C05:5C8A:57E6:3136 ( talk) 02:00, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Once again, @ Larry LightYear: has included primary sources, content that is not important or encyclopedic, bad headings, links to disambiguation pages rather than the supposed article, WP:OVERLINKs, and multiple MoS violations. I'm afraid that the editing is not getting better and it's all happening without explanation. Other than an administrative board, possibly WP:AN, are there any suggestions to fixing these problems? @ SummerPhDv2.0: your input would be appreciated. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 23:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
I think that we should change the title of this article to "VeggieTales (franchise)". When this article first started, all that VeggieTales was is a video series. But now, it's more than that, with 2 Netflix series, and 1 upcoming TBN series. In addition, I think we should make the original video series into a separate article, because VeggieTales in the House, VeggieTales in the City, and The VeggieTales Show all have separate articles, and the original video series is treated like it IS the franchise, but that is not true. The franchise may have started with the original video series, but it has grown out of it, and has become a multi-show franchise. AdonisTheEditor ( talk) 17:32, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
I think #1 would be the best option. JATheEditor ( talk) 20:29, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
It's been a year. It might be time for the split. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 19:19, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
@Walter Görlitz: I agree. JATheEditor ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
The article is frequented by multiple IPs and has a lot of traffic. I suggest that we should proceed with the suggested split now as there have been no voices of dissent. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 19:34, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi. I just want to explain my edits and explain why they are an improvement.
-- Escape Orbit (Talk) 16:36, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
This source mentions The Mystery of Veggie Island was released on September 15 not 3rd. Also it mentions the third game was released in November not October https://web.archive.org/web/20020305134828/http://www.hive4media.com:80/news/html/Product_article.cfm?article_id=2625 Timur9008 ( talk) 5:18, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
How is this not in the article?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:17, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
I've been working on splitting this article in my sandboxes and have found that a stand-alone article on the 1993 video series would be too small ( User:JAYFAX/VeggieTales_(1993_video_series)). I don't agree with one of the arguments that splitting the article would make make it more structurally balanced (i.e. since there is a separate article for various series, therefore we need a separate article for the videos), the logical conclusion would be that we'd also need to create a separate article for the 2006 NBC series, which too would be inappropriately small. There would be little value in having this article just about the franchise.
What actually needs to happen is that this article needs to be cleaned up. The lead section is too long and does not summarise that VeggieTales is fundamentally a video and television series, that just-so happened to spawn a franchise of related media. Cutting the lead to a few paragraphs would solve half the problem here. The other half would be to structure the article in a way to give due notability to the video series, the subsequent television series, and television
I will remove the split template. The consensus here has basically expired, and I suppose I'm entitled to do that as the only person who has actually attempted and empirically assessed the value of a split. Cleaning up the lead is the priority here. JAYFAX ( talk) 20:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Source for "in 1999 and 2000, at the height of its popularity, the videos outsold every other kids' property at the time."? I have tried to research this and have only found copies of this line at various locations with no actual source or number behind it. I would love to know more but also think that such a wild claim should come with a source attached. If anyone has any knowledge or information about this, I would love if it were added. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdftba ( talk • contribs) 08:37, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
The true crime mentions towards the top (along with bits like the unabomber veggie tales movie) are almost certainly vandalism, no? 172.222.225.26 ( talk) 22:50, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
So, why does it seem like people are insisting that December 21st is the premiere date for the series, when it was said by Phil Vischer that the first episode/video was finished on the 20th, the copies were shipped out on the 22nd, and received by people either on the 23rd or the 26th (depending on the mail)? Jteka9870 ( talk) 16:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)