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he is religion is ISLAM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.231.227 ( talk) 15:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Ibišević was born in 1984 and at that time the country was SFR Yugoslavia. Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 22:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC) Mi
Ibisevic and all other footballers are not only bosnians, more correctly they are bosnian-herzegovinan footballers and it's not bosnian best footballer of year it's bih (bosnian-herzegovinan), etc... so 1 sec in writing can correct a huge mistake and insult to other half of people in bih (herzegovinians);) please try to correct that mistake in all other articles cheers.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.94.134.221 ( talk) 07:00, 15 April 2009
Let's imagine you have a time machine. You get in the time machine, and set it to take you back to 1984. When you arrive, you travel to the town of Vlasnica to witness the birth of little Vedad Ibisevic. You turn to a doctor standing next to you, and you say to him "Say, what country am I in?" The doctor looks at you a little strangely, but he replies "Yugoslavia". Because, in 1984, Vlasenica was a town in the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Today, Vlasenica is in the independent nation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. But, in 1984, Bosnia and Herzegovina DID NOT EXIST as an independent nation. How is its possible that people don't understand this? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 07:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Stlunatic071 - stop being silly. Dribblingscribe 22:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
The reason England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are listed as separate countries in the infobox is purely a footballing reason. Because FIFA consider them to be independent of each other, and because they have always had separate national teams, we show their countries of birth as the SPORTING country they represent (England, or whatever) not the geo-political nation they were actually born in (United Kingdom).
Ibisevic's country - Bosnia - does not fall under the same category, because had the breakup of Yugoslavia not taken place, he would have played for the Yugoslavian national team. Beckham could never have played for a UK national team, because there isn't one. So, really, Beckham is a bad example.
A better comparison is Andrei Shevchenko. When he was born, Ukraine was not an independent nation, and was still part of the USSR. If the Soviet Union had not broken up, he would have played internationally for the Soviet Union. However, because the Soviet Union DID break up, and because Ukraine became an independent nation, Shevchenko plays for Ukraine. He was BORN in the Soviet Union; he PLAYS for Ukraine, which came into existance after he was born. You can do this with all current Russia/Ukraine/Belarus/Lithuania/Latvia players. The same for all current Czech Republic/Slovakia players, who were all born in what was then Czechoslovakia and would have all played for the Czechoslovakia national team had that country not split in two.
Is this making sense? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 22:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
You don't give up on this, huh? Your source is over one year old, I'm guessing that Hertha's official website has more accurate data, so it's gonna stay Hertha's version of his height. HankMoodyTZ ([ [1]]) 01:52, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
I'll talk in English, no problem mate. All your sources are over a year old, the most recent lists him as 188, on his club's official website. So I'll trust the information from people who measured him two months ago.
@ HankMoodyTZ and David King 947: I've fully protected the page. Please settle your differences (see WP:DRR for options) or blocks will occur if edit warring starts up again. -- NeilN talk to me 02:57, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
I stand by to what I said, Hertha measured him most recently, and they say he is 188 tall, soccerway, that's also a reliable source on wikipedia lists him as 188. Only does David think it's unreliable and removes it. So there are more than one reliable sources, including his present club's webpage, that list him as 188, I think that's enoguh.
So, it os becoming obvious that we won't agree on this matter, and that someone else should be involved or decide, I'm not sure how this works. If any of admins could interfere and settle this debate, it would be much appreciated, since I still think that Vedad is in fact 188, as the sources I've cited say. Things that David say are such a nonsense, for exaple the assumption that his height variation came into play when he was measured by Hertha's medical team. I could say that his height also varied when he was measured for FIFA, and then what? We are back to square one. It's better if the third party comes and settles this, someone not biased, and that we both accept the decision and stop changing it.
So, no one willing to resolve this? By the way David, your FIFA link does not work.
@ HankMoodyTZ: The FIFA link does work actually, but just leave it. You're right, the evidence suggests so. I apologize for my intransigence and the protracted edit war it caused. David King 947 ( talk) 21:01, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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he is religion is ISLAM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.231.227 ( talk) 15:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Ibišević was born in 1984 and at that time the country was SFR Yugoslavia. Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 22:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC) Mi
Ibisevic and all other footballers are not only bosnians, more correctly they are bosnian-herzegovinan footballers and it's not bosnian best footballer of year it's bih (bosnian-herzegovinan), etc... so 1 sec in writing can correct a huge mistake and insult to other half of people in bih (herzegovinians);) please try to correct that mistake in all other articles cheers.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.94.134.221 ( talk) 07:00, 15 April 2009
Let's imagine you have a time machine. You get in the time machine, and set it to take you back to 1984. When you arrive, you travel to the town of Vlasnica to witness the birth of little Vedad Ibisevic. You turn to a doctor standing next to you, and you say to him "Say, what country am I in?" The doctor looks at you a little strangely, but he replies "Yugoslavia". Because, in 1984, Vlasenica was a town in the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Today, Vlasenica is in the independent nation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. But, in 1984, Bosnia and Herzegovina DID NOT EXIST as an independent nation. How is its possible that people don't understand this? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 07:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Stlunatic071 - stop being silly. Dribblingscribe 22:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
The reason England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are listed as separate countries in the infobox is purely a footballing reason. Because FIFA consider them to be independent of each other, and because they have always had separate national teams, we show their countries of birth as the SPORTING country they represent (England, or whatever) not the geo-political nation they were actually born in (United Kingdom).
Ibisevic's country - Bosnia - does not fall under the same category, because had the breakup of Yugoslavia not taken place, he would have played for the Yugoslavian national team. Beckham could never have played for a UK national team, because there isn't one. So, really, Beckham is a bad example.
A better comparison is Andrei Shevchenko. When he was born, Ukraine was not an independent nation, and was still part of the USSR. If the Soviet Union had not broken up, he would have played internationally for the Soviet Union. However, because the Soviet Union DID break up, and because Ukraine became an independent nation, Shevchenko plays for Ukraine. He was BORN in the Soviet Union; he PLAYS for Ukraine, which came into existance after he was born. You can do this with all current Russia/Ukraine/Belarus/Lithuania/Latvia players. The same for all current Czech Republic/Slovakia players, who were all born in what was then Czechoslovakia and would have all played for the Czechoslovakia national team had that country not split in two.
Is this making sense? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 22:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
You don't give up on this, huh? Your source is over one year old, I'm guessing that Hertha's official website has more accurate data, so it's gonna stay Hertha's version of his height. HankMoodyTZ ([ [1]]) 01:52, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
I'll talk in English, no problem mate. All your sources are over a year old, the most recent lists him as 188, on his club's official website. So I'll trust the information from people who measured him two months ago.
@ HankMoodyTZ and David King 947: I've fully protected the page. Please settle your differences (see WP:DRR for options) or blocks will occur if edit warring starts up again. -- NeilN talk to me 02:57, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
I stand by to what I said, Hertha measured him most recently, and they say he is 188 tall, soccerway, that's also a reliable source on wikipedia lists him as 188. Only does David think it's unreliable and removes it. So there are more than one reliable sources, including his present club's webpage, that list him as 188, I think that's enoguh.
So, it os becoming obvious that we won't agree on this matter, and that someone else should be involved or decide, I'm not sure how this works. If any of admins could interfere and settle this debate, it would be much appreciated, since I still think that Vedad is in fact 188, as the sources I've cited say. Things that David say are such a nonsense, for exaple the assumption that his height variation came into play when he was measured by Hertha's medical team. I could say that his height also varied when he was measured for FIFA, and then what? We are back to square one. It's better if the third party comes and settles this, someone not biased, and that we both accept the decision and stop changing it.
So, no one willing to resolve this? By the way David, your FIFA link does not work.
@ HankMoodyTZ: The FIFA link does work actually, but just leave it. You're right, the evidence suggests so. I apologize for my intransigence and the protracted edit war it caused. David King 947 ( talk) 21:01, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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