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When the opening sentence of an article about this documentary includes the description "pseudoscience propaganda film," the authors have shown their hand.
I'm a physician, and watched this film after an "interesting" discussion with my child's pediatrician regarding vaccines. To say the least, it brings up some questions that need to be answered. To call it pseudoscience or propaganda reveals that the authors haven't actually seen the film. In fact, that's probably most evident by the fact that the whole documentary revolves around one scientific publication, and that publication is not cited a single time. What gives?
And on the talk page, the tone taken by some of the editors towards those seeking some balance is inappropriate, and reminds me of the "cool" kids at high school taking pains to exercise that coolness on the others. I understand the ability to obtain approbation from making edits and changes to an article is alluring, but perhaps on articles where there is a strong emotional bent to one side versus the others--such as "I've got to save the kids from the rabid anti-vaxxers!!", it just doesn't work.
The article as written is not useful for basic information about the documentary, much less for an unbiased examination of the work, because it immediately strikes the reader as being very much like the propaganda it alleges of the documentary. The agenda and tone of edits made to articles like these needs to be changed if Wikipedia is going to provide any useful information about them. — Preceding
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Fythrion (
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his 1998 case series that has now been retractedIt has been retracted for a long time, by the journal and by all the authors except two, but Wakefield is one of the two and has never denounced it. He still propagates his fraudulent data. Or are you saying that he has "retracted"
personal beliefsregarding the
paper published in 2004. Reliable sources say that the propaganda film misrepresents the case. Maybe you should peruse those reliable sources in addition to the propaganda film? That the film convinced you of something only shows that the propaganda works.
If [blah blah blah] isn't a reliable source, then nobody isPlease, actually read the links people give you. I will repeat one of them: WP:RS. That is a policy. The policy decides what is a reliable source, not you.
DovicKnoble I'd just like to weigh in, this article does come across as a piece of propaganda intended to discredit the film, especially since the use of the word 'propaganda' is neither explained nor given a definition. Propaganda is a very difficult word to define, almost anything can be discredited as propaganda and so it's use is more often than not itself an act of propaganda, as I believe it is used in this article. I had written on a previous talk point above what I think to be the bests definition of propaganda by Jacque Elul but it's been scrubbed by the WikiCensors. The idea is all information that is designed to provoke action is propaganda. Under this definition, this film would indeed be propaganda but so would all calls to action by health agencies persuading people to get the vaccine. Indeed, the Spanish word for marketing is 'propaganda'. Propaganda is the norm in societies that deal with mass information. The use of the word 'propaganda' in this article is suspicious, smacks of propagandastic tactics itself and I would highly encourage everyone to watch Vaxxed, for the sake of open minded, independent, free thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DovicKnoble ( talk • contribs) 13:24, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Not sure, but I think this article shows subtle signs of bias! 92.21.196.166 ( talk) 22:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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When the opening sentence of an article about this documentary includes the description "pseudoscience propaganda film," the authors have shown their hand.
I'm a physician, and watched this film after an "interesting" discussion with my child's pediatrician regarding vaccines. To say the least, it brings up some questions that need to be answered. To call it pseudoscience or propaganda reveals that the authors haven't actually seen the film. In fact, that's probably most evident by the fact that the whole documentary revolves around one scientific publication, and that publication is not cited a single time. What gives?
And on the talk page, the tone taken by some of the editors towards those seeking some balance is inappropriate, and reminds me of the "cool" kids at high school taking pains to exercise that coolness on the others. I understand the ability to obtain approbation from making edits and changes to an article is alluring, but perhaps on articles where there is a strong emotional bent to one side versus the others--such as "I've got to save the kids from the rabid anti-vaxxers!!", it just doesn't work.
The article as written is not useful for basic information about the documentary, much less for an unbiased examination of the work, because it immediately strikes the reader as being very much like the propaganda it alleges of the documentary. The agenda and tone of edits made to articles like these needs to be changed if Wikipedia is going to provide any useful information about them. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Fythrion (
talk •
contribs) 19:09, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
his 1998 case series that has now been retractedIt has been retracted for a long time, by the journal and by all the authors except two, but Wakefield is one of the two and has never denounced it. He still propagates his fraudulent data. Or are you saying that he has "retracted"
personal beliefsregarding the
paper published in 2004. Reliable sources say that the propaganda film misrepresents the case. Maybe you should peruse those reliable sources in addition to the propaganda film? That the film convinced you of something only shows that the propaganda works.
If [blah blah blah] isn't a reliable source, then nobody isPlease, actually read the links people give you. I will repeat one of them: WP:RS. That is a policy. The policy decides what is a reliable source, not you.
DovicKnoble I'd just like to weigh in, this article does come across as a piece of propaganda intended to discredit the film, especially since the use of the word 'propaganda' is neither explained nor given a definition. Propaganda is a very difficult word to define, almost anything can be discredited as propaganda and so it's use is more often than not itself an act of propaganda, as I believe it is used in this article. I had written on a previous talk point above what I think to be the bests definition of propaganda by Jacque Elul but it's been scrubbed by the WikiCensors. The idea is all information that is designed to provoke action is propaganda. Under this definition, this film would indeed be propaganda but so would all calls to action by health agencies persuading people to get the vaccine. Indeed, the Spanish word for marketing is 'propaganda'. Propaganda is the norm in societies that deal with mass information. The use of the word 'propaganda' in this article is suspicious, smacks of propagandastic tactics itself and I would highly encourage everyone to watch Vaxxed, for the sake of open minded, independent, free thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DovicKnoble ( talk • contribs) 13:24, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Not sure, but I think this article shows subtle signs of bias! 92.21.196.166 ( talk) 22:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)