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On 25 September 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Lect. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
I merged "Lect" here. It was a stub about an apparent synonym for "language variety".
"Lect" is also a neologism.
However, I don't have any sources in sociolinguistics. If anyone finds out that in fact a "lect" is not the same as a "language variety", please revert this merge. In that case, please add information to differentiate the terms from each other. -- Hoziron 09:08, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
"For instance English journalists or lawyers often use grammatical moods such as subjunctive mood or conditional mood, which are no longer used frequently by other speakers." Subjunctive is fairly rare, but is that really true for conditional? Ardric47 04:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Variety (linguistics) → Lect
The word "Variety" is very ambiguous, and is often used interchangeably in linguistic circles for a dialect. While it would still be benefitial to mention that a lect may also be termed as a "variety", it is best to clarify, and use the most accurate description. Mingeyqla ( talk) 13:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
There is currently an external link to http://www.pojkfilmsklubben.org/cgi-bin/langtools/whichVariety.cgi which is a web widget that attempts to estimate whether a text is written in British or American English. I removed this link on 23 June, since it doesn't contain any discussion of language varieties or other information relevant to this page. It was restored by IP User:83.42.6.168 on 16 July using WP:Undo, but the user offered no explanation as to why. Can we reach consensus as to whether or not the external link belongs here? Thanks, Cnilep ( talk) 22:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I accidentally proceeded with reverting the move without entering the reason. The bold move to "(sociolinguistics)" seems unnecessary precision. The concept (and I believe the term too) predate the field of sociolinguistics. Unless "variety" can refer to multiple things in linguistics (as is the case with " accent" and " register"), I don't think it's warranted. Nardog ( talk) 13:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Isolect redirects here, but right now isolects aren't mentioned in the article. Does anyone want to discuss a good place in the article to raise the subject rather than leave the reader hanging? Maybe in a greater discussion of work done to map dialect communities. Largoplazo ( talk) 19:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
I did a search on DuckDuckGo for "lects and dialects" and came up with:
Variety (linguistics) - Wikipedia
Search domain en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_(linguistics) /info/en/?search=Variety_(linguistics)
khmer lottery, a variety, also called an isolect or lect, is a specific form of a language or language cluster.This may include languages, dialects, registers, styles, or other forms of language, as well as a standard variety. The use of the word "variety" to refer to the different forms avoids the use of the term language, which many people associate only with the standard language, and the ...
It looks like somebody snuck "khmer lottery" in where it doesn't belong. I don't know what to do about it, but I thought I should report it as some kind of vandalism.
Mourningdoves ( talk) 16:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
These two articles should be listed and maybe also quoted from:
Gold, David L. 1981. "Lect: A New Productive Suffix and Free Form." Leuvense Bijdragen: Tijdschrift voor Germaanse filologie. Vol. 70. Pp. 49-52.
Gold, David L. 1982. "More on lect." Leuvense Bijdragen: Tijdschrift voor Germaanse filologie. Vol. 71. No. 4. Pp. 443-445.
In connection with Hoziron's comment above:
lect indeed means 'language variety'.
Since it predates 1981 (see Gold 1981), it is no longer a neologism.
In connection with Mingeyqla's remarks above:
Variety'and lect have become the preferred terms in objective discourse because dialect has become tainted as a result of its use as a pejorative in lay circles ("Oh, it's really not a language; it's just a dialect").
In connection with this comment: The word "Variety" is very ambiguous, and is often used interchangeably in linguistic circles for a dialect.
Variety and lect are not synonyms of dialect. A variety or lect can be at any level: an idiolect is a lect and a language can be considered a lect. S. Valkemirer ( talk) 23:16, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
[User:S. Valkemirer|S. Valkemirer]] (
talk)
22:45, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 14:18, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Variety (linguistics) → Lect – The term "variety" is very ambiguous, and is often used interchangeably in linguistic circles for a dialect. The article should mention that a lect may also be termed as a "variety", but the more precise term should be used as the article title to prevent any confusion that the term "variety" might cause. – Treetoes023 ( talk) 13:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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On 25 September 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Lect. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
I merged "Lect" here. It was a stub about an apparent synonym for "language variety".
"Lect" is also a neologism.
However, I don't have any sources in sociolinguistics. If anyone finds out that in fact a "lect" is not the same as a "language variety", please revert this merge. In that case, please add information to differentiate the terms from each other. -- Hoziron 09:08, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
"For instance English journalists or lawyers often use grammatical moods such as subjunctive mood or conditional mood, which are no longer used frequently by other speakers." Subjunctive is fairly rare, but is that really true for conditional? Ardric47 04:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Variety (linguistics) → Lect
The word "Variety" is very ambiguous, and is often used interchangeably in linguistic circles for a dialect. While it would still be benefitial to mention that a lect may also be termed as a "variety", it is best to clarify, and use the most accurate description. Mingeyqla ( talk) 13:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
There is currently an external link to http://www.pojkfilmsklubben.org/cgi-bin/langtools/whichVariety.cgi which is a web widget that attempts to estimate whether a text is written in British or American English. I removed this link on 23 June, since it doesn't contain any discussion of language varieties or other information relevant to this page. It was restored by IP User:83.42.6.168 on 16 July using WP:Undo, but the user offered no explanation as to why. Can we reach consensus as to whether or not the external link belongs here? Thanks, Cnilep ( talk) 22:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I accidentally proceeded with reverting the move without entering the reason. The bold move to "(sociolinguistics)" seems unnecessary precision. The concept (and I believe the term too) predate the field of sociolinguistics. Unless "variety" can refer to multiple things in linguistics (as is the case with " accent" and " register"), I don't think it's warranted. Nardog ( talk) 13:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Isolect redirects here, but right now isolects aren't mentioned in the article. Does anyone want to discuss a good place in the article to raise the subject rather than leave the reader hanging? Maybe in a greater discussion of work done to map dialect communities. Largoplazo ( talk) 19:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
I did a search on DuckDuckGo for "lects and dialects" and came up with:
Variety (linguistics) - Wikipedia
Search domain en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_(linguistics) /info/en/?search=Variety_(linguistics)
khmer lottery, a variety, also called an isolect or lect, is a specific form of a language or language cluster.This may include languages, dialects, registers, styles, or other forms of language, as well as a standard variety. The use of the word "variety" to refer to the different forms avoids the use of the term language, which many people associate only with the standard language, and the ...
It looks like somebody snuck "khmer lottery" in where it doesn't belong. I don't know what to do about it, but I thought I should report it as some kind of vandalism.
Mourningdoves ( talk) 16:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
These two articles should be listed and maybe also quoted from:
Gold, David L. 1981. "Lect: A New Productive Suffix and Free Form." Leuvense Bijdragen: Tijdschrift voor Germaanse filologie. Vol. 70. Pp. 49-52.
Gold, David L. 1982. "More on lect." Leuvense Bijdragen: Tijdschrift voor Germaanse filologie. Vol. 71. No. 4. Pp. 443-445.
In connection with Hoziron's comment above:
lect indeed means 'language variety'.
Since it predates 1981 (see Gold 1981), it is no longer a neologism.
In connection with Mingeyqla's remarks above:
Variety'and lect have become the preferred terms in objective discourse because dialect has become tainted as a result of its use as a pejorative in lay circles ("Oh, it's really not a language; it's just a dialect").
In connection with this comment: The word "Variety" is very ambiguous, and is often used interchangeably in linguistic circles for a dialect.
Variety and lect are not synonyms of dialect. A variety or lect can be at any level: an idiolect is a lect and a language can be considered a lect. S. Valkemirer ( talk) 23:16, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
[User:S. Valkemirer|S. Valkemirer]] (
talk)
22:45, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 14:18, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Variety (linguistics) → Lect – The term "variety" is very ambiguous, and is often used interchangeably in linguistic circles for a dialect. The article should mention that a lect may also be termed as a "variety", but the more precise term should be used as the article title to prevent any confusion that the term "variety" might cause. – Treetoes023 ( talk) 13:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)