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Should we keep the new map on this article? A455bcd9 ( talk) 11:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
@ A455bcd9: RfC statements are supposed to be brief and neutral. Can you please move everything that you added before the question to the discussion section or your own !vote? Thanks. M.Bitton ( talk) 16:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Between data from a reliable source (and Ethnologue does appear to be accepted as that in Wikipedia) and data from original research / no source, I'll go with the former.
When the reliable source is wrong, that's a sticky situation, but there's nothing we can do about that; an encyclopedia isn't an authority on the facts; it just summarizes other sources. If there is no reliable source contradicting Ethnologue, we have to report the Ethnologue facts. To me, it's like when a judge has to assume Congress meant what is written in the law even though the judge knows lawmakers intended something else. Bryan Henderson (giraffedata) ( talk) 20:02, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
I know it's descended from an Arabic dialect but it's usually considered to be its own language and not a dialect of Arabic like Darija and such. Nubi, also, should it be included despite being a creole? On other language maps of Wikipedia like the one for Spanish of French, the creoles aren't included.
201.175.234.27 ( talk) 23:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Chapter 15 will be devoted to the dialects of the various language islands of Arabic, that is, varieties of Arabic that are spoken outside the Arabophone world in linguistic enclaves in an environment in which other languages predominate. Examples of such language islands are Maltese Arabic, Cypriot Maronite Arabic, the Arabic of Uzbekistan and Afghanistan, the Arabic dialects of central Anatolia, Nigerian Shuwa Arabic, and the creolised Arabic of Uganda and Kenya (Ki-Nubi), the latter to be dealt with in Chapter 16. The dialects spoken in the linguistic enclaves groups: ultimately derive from dialect groups in the central areas, Cypriot Maronite Arabic being a Syro-Lebanese type of dialect, Maltese being a North African type of dialect, and so on. But their isolation from the Arabophone world and their lack of exposure to the Classical language have contributed to the preservation of features that were lost elsewhere.
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Should we keep the new map on this article? A455bcd9 ( talk) 11:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
@ A455bcd9: RfC statements are supposed to be brief and neutral. Can you please move everything that you added before the question to the discussion section or your own !vote? Thanks. M.Bitton ( talk) 16:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Between data from a reliable source (and Ethnologue does appear to be accepted as that in Wikipedia) and data from original research / no source, I'll go with the former.
When the reliable source is wrong, that's a sticky situation, but there's nothing we can do about that; an encyclopedia isn't an authority on the facts; it just summarizes other sources. If there is no reliable source contradicting Ethnologue, we have to report the Ethnologue facts. To me, it's like when a judge has to assume Congress meant what is written in the law even though the judge knows lawmakers intended something else. Bryan Henderson (giraffedata) ( talk) 20:02, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
I know it's descended from an Arabic dialect but it's usually considered to be its own language and not a dialect of Arabic like Darija and such. Nubi, also, should it be included despite being a creole? On other language maps of Wikipedia like the one for Spanish of French, the creoles aren't included.
201.175.234.27 ( talk) 23:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Chapter 15 will be devoted to the dialects of the various language islands of Arabic, that is, varieties of Arabic that are spoken outside the Arabophone world in linguistic enclaves in an environment in which other languages predominate. Examples of such language islands are Maltese Arabic, Cypriot Maronite Arabic, the Arabic of Uzbekistan and Afghanistan, the Arabic dialects of central Anatolia, Nigerian Shuwa Arabic, and the creolised Arabic of Uganda and Kenya (Ki-Nubi), the latter to be dealt with in Chapter 16. The dialects spoken in the linguistic enclaves groups: ultimately derive from dialect groups in the central areas, Cypriot Maronite Arabic being a Syro-Lebanese type of dialect, Maltese being a North African type of dialect, and so on. But their isolation from the Arabophone world and their lack of exposure to the Classical language have contributed to the preservation of features that were lost elsewhere.