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Actually the greatest verified length for this species is 244 cm (8 ft), just over half of the claimed 475 cm. -- Anshelm '77 18:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
~ Actually your 8 feet is the most poorly accepted the majority of people claim lengths of over 10 feet (11.5-12ft). And since the 475 cm specimen was actually measured by a Dr. and put into a museum I would include it in the article since its clearly more than just speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 00:01, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
There is an zoo (or small zoo-like place) that has a 10 foot crocodile monitor. So, the 8' maximum is bogus. However, the claim in the Wiki article that the tail alone can be 10' just doesn't add up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.33.145 ( talk) 02:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
~ Your right the tail alone being 10 feet doesn't add up the length of a large crocodile monitor is probably like a Komodo dragon the tail makes up about 50% of the body and plus of have seen videos of them the tail is around half the length of the body.
Mokele have you ever heard of any crocodile monitors being confirmed at 10 feet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 19:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Just how heavy is a crocodile monitor Mokele? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 23:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Honestly I think that the 8 feet reported by you guys is unreliable, I mean it is just like the alleged 16 footers you guys have never given a link to were your alleged 8 foot specimen might be I mean come on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 00:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Hold on a minute Mokele that edit that I added to the Crocodile Monitor Page is not Vandalism. I just wrote that 19 footers have been reported! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 01:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Hold up Mokele did you tell this guy Mike to give me a warning or to sending me a message saying that I was doing something bad!? All I added to the Crocodile Monitor page was that unconfirmed stories of 19 footers exist! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 01:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh really? I'm new to these editing rules and you don't think you could have told me that earlier? I never said that they grew 19 feet long! Oh wait on the Titanaboa page it says that modern reticulated Pythons reach 30 feet long. I'm sure you didn't give that guy who posted that a warning now did you? Oh that's right anyone but me can add such sizes. Alright Mokele So anyone can right anacondas reach 4000ft or they can write saltwater crocodiles reach 80000000000ft or they can right crocodile monitors reach 19,000ft is that Mokele? because if it is I would love to now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 01:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Mokele what do you think about the idea of crocodile monitors reaching 15 feet? What do you think about the alleged 11.5 footer?
And why may I ask does 15 feet strain belief? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 19:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Anyway Mike Searson you gave me a warning for vandalism what is it that I did? I don't ever want to edit here again so you might as well block me from editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 19:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Mike your not in this conversation so butt out. You gave me a unessasary warning and I don't want to speak to you or hear any mention of you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 20:43, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I see no reason to be skeptical. First of all just because it is nearly twice the known max length don;t you think that in such a hidden area such as New Guinea that a few approaching that size would be at least possible? Honestly not to be mean but your being narrow minded. Being skeptical just because it is almost twice your alleged 8 feet is not enough you have to have a good reason. You need to prove it. Just because you have evidence that they grow to 8 feet it doesn't mean that it is the longest they get. truthfully and I'am being truthful about this but in a place like New Guinea a 12 footer wouldn't surprise me in the least. You can't even explain why it's body plan wouldn't allow it to get so big. you haven't explained why the animals in it's habitat couldn't sustain a specimen that big. It is unlikely because you think you now everything about them. I'am not saying you should write that they get that big but just because it is bigger than the max length that you have come up with doesn't mean it can't exist. I'm not being mean or say that you should write that they get that big I'm just saying that you should consider it as a possibility. And seriously 15 feet is not that big.
Alright then I agree the absolute Maximum lets put it as would be roughly 12 feet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 21:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
That's ok, I think mine kinda sucks, that was as close as I could get to it (I also used zoom too!). :/ -- Mitternacht90 21:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
You now what I hate all of you and I despise all off you losers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 23:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Mokele there is no evidence of a water monitor reaching 10 feet! Period! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 22:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Also Mokele I looked on the crocodile Monitor site and just because the longest specimens available for measurement at the time were 8 feet it doesn't mean that is true. Their claims are just as questionable as the alleged 15 feet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 23:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
what is the longest and heaviest water monitor recorded Mokele? I have been seeing lengths of 10 feet 5 inches being introduced to the water monitor page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.130.18 ( talk) 19:02, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
10.5 feet is correct, see the reference for that statement on the water monitor page. Mokele ( talk) 20:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
~I only said that as a statement mokele I know that there is a differnece between longest and heaviest. I even said longest not heaviest longest there is a difference.
~They deserve more credit than drop bears and jackolopes whoever came up with that nonsense and considering giant monitors from what we know did exist and that aborigines have told stories of encounters with large monitors dating back well before the 1800s real or not or maybe still alive or not I think the existence of these animals stands on firmer ground than killer koalas and deer rabbits which shouldn't even be mentioned on Wikipedia. You also said that average size is a fairly good way to esitmate maximum sizes in animals you said fairly not perfectly and with every large animal there are thousands to tens of thousands of minimum sized indivuals, maybe a few hundred average sized specimens, a little over a dozen normal maximum sized specimens and two or three freak sized specimens. So what would the *extreme* maximum length for any living monitor today in healthy condition and with available prey?
Yes, there are rumors of longer individuals, but these rumors are not *confirmed*, and until they are, they're just baseless speculation. It's *very* easy to mis-estimate the lengths of animals, especially if they're already surprisingly large. None of the references supported the claim of an individual larger than that cited by Mertens, and unless we want this page to be nothing more than a rumor-mill for ridiculous claims, we need to demand some actual support for claims, such as either a dead specimen in a museum or a live individual which has been measured while under anaesthesia. Mokele ( talk) 01:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Unique among living varanid species, the animal's tail is two-thirds longer than the snout-to-vent length in both juveniles and adults.[4] Herpetologist Robert Sprackland gives the proportion as the tail being 210% of the animal's body length.[8] It is speculated that the creature can grow to a length in excess of 14 feet (4.75 metres),[8][9][10] which would make it the longest lizard in the world, but to date the longest recorded specimen is only 11.5 feet in length.[11] Most of this length is made up of the tail, which accounts for more than 60% of the animal's length.[4] At birth V. salvadorii is about 18 inches (45 cm) long, while a sexually mature female may grow to 5 feet (1.52 meters).--
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So... the discussion seems to have trailed off. Any more ideas on what to do? I still don't like the idea of spending extensive effort on speculations and giving made-up numbers. Mokele ( talk) 15:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, since I'm the only one who hasn't lost interest, I'll make the changes. Mokele ( talk) 17:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Many sites today often point out that saltwater crocodiles 27-30 feet long have been recorded without even giving a source to just a skull or even a tooth.
The size of the crocodile monitor has been eggagerated to as long 40 feet or almost twice the length of the largest megalania prisca which reached a max length of just 23 feet long.
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Most pages for species use it´s common name because most people don't know the scientific name. But not here, maybe because that name has already been taken, if is hasn't, can I (or someone else) change it to its common name? Quincy43425 ( talk) 14:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
OK I’ll take your advice. Quincy43425 ( talk) 14:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
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Actually the greatest verified length for this species is 244 cm (8 ft), just over half of the claimed 475 cm. -- Anshelm '77 18:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
~ Actually your 8 feet is the most poorly accepted the majority of people claim lengths of over 10 feet (11.5-12ft). And since the 475 cm specimen was actually measured by a Dr. and put into a museum I would include it in the article since its clearly more than just speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 00:01, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
There is an zoo (or small zoo-like place) that has a 10 foot crocodile monitor. So, the 8' maximum is bogus. However, the claim in the Wiki article that the tail alone can be 10' just doesn't add up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.33.145 ( talk) 02:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
~ Your right the tail alone being 10 feet doesn't add up the length of a large crocodile monitor is probably like a Komodo dragon the tail makes up about 50% of the body and plus of have seen videos of them the tail is around half the length of the body.
Mokele have you ever heard of any crocodile monitors being confirmed at 10 feet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 19:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Just how heavy is a crocodile monitor Mokele? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 23:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Honestly I think that the 8 feet reported by you guys is unreliable, I mean it is just like the alleged 16 footers you guys have never given a link to were your alleged 8 foot specimen might be I mean come on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 00:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Hold on a minute Mokele that edit that I added to the Crocodile Monitor Page is not Vandalism. I just wrote that 19 footers have been reported! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 01:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Hold up Mokele did you tell this guy Mike to give me a warning or to sending me a message saying that I was doing something bad!? All I added to the Crocodile Monitor page was that unconfirmed stories of 19 footers exist! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 01:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh really? I'm new to these editing rules and you don't think you could have told me that earlier? I never said that they grew 19 feet long! Oh wait on the Titanaboa page it says that modern reticulated Pythons reach 30 feet long. I'm sure you didn't give that guy who posted that a warning now did you? Oh that's right anyone but me can add such sizes. Alright Mokele So anyone can right anacondas reach 4000ft or they can write saltwater crocodiles reach 80000000000ft or they can right crocodile monitors reach 19,000ft is that Mokele? because if it is I would love to now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 01:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Mokele what do you think about the idea of crocodile monitors reaching 15 feet? What do you think about the alleged 11.5 footer?
And why may I ask does 15 feet strain belief? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 19:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Anyway Mike Searson you gave me a warning for vandalism what is it that I did? I don't ever want to edit here again so you might as well block me from editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 19:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Mike your not in this conversation so butt out. You gave me a unessasary warning and I don't want to speak to you or hear any mention of you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 20:43, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I see no reason to be skeptical. First of all just because it is nearly twice the known max length don;t you think that in such a hidden area such as New Guinea that a few approaching that size would be at least possible? Honestly not to be mean but your being narrow minded. Being skeptical just because it is almost twice your alleged 8 feet is not enough you have to have a good reason. You need to prove it. Just because you have evidence that they grow to 8 feet it doesn't mean that it is the longest they get. truthfully and I'am being truthful about this but in a place like New Guinea a 12 footer wouldn't surprise me in the least. You can't even explain why it's body plan wouldn't allow it to get so big. you haven't explained why the animals in it's habitat couldn't sustain a specimen that big. It is unlikely because you think you now everything about them. I'am not saying you should write that they get that big but just because it is bigger than the max length that you have come up with doesn't mean it can't exist. I'm not being mean or say that you should write that they get that big I'm just saying that you should consider it as a possibility. And seriously 15 feet is not that big.
Alright then I agree the absolute Maximum lets put it as would be roughly 12 feet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 21:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
That's ok, I think mine kinda sucks, that was as close as I could get to it (I also used zoom too!). :/ -- Mitternacht90 21:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
You now what I hate all of you and I despise all off you losers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 23:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Mokele there is no evidence of a water monitor reaching 10 feet! Period! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 22:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Also Mokele I looked on the crocodile Monitor site and just because the longest specimens available for measurement at the time were 8 feet it doesn't mean that is true. Their claims are just as questionable as the alleged 15 feet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.100.52 ( talk) 23:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
what is the longest and heaviest water monitor recorded Mokele? I have been seeing lengths of 10 feet 5 inches being introduced to the water monitor page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.130.18 ( talk) 19:02, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
10.5 feet is correct, see the reference for that statement on the water monitor page. Mokele ( talk) 20:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
~I only said that as a statement mokele I know that there is a differnece between longest and heaviest. I even said longest not heaviest longest there is a difference.
~They deserve more credit than drop bears and jackolopes whoever came up with that nonsense and considering giant monitors from what we know did exist and that aborigines have told stories of encounters with large monitors dating back well before the 1800s real or not or maybe still alive or not I think the existence of these animals stands on firmer ground than killer koalas and deer rabbits which shouldn't even be mentioned on Wikipedia. You also said that average size is a fairly good way to esitmate maximum sizes in animals you said fairly not perfectly and with every large animal there are thousands to tens of thousands of minimum sized indivuals, maybe a few hundred average sized specimens, a little over a dozen normal maximum sized specimens and two or three freak sized specimens. So what would the *extreme* maximum length for any living monitor today in healthy condition and with available prey?
Yes, there are rumors of longer individuals, but these rumors are not *confirmed*, and until they are, they're just baseless speculation. It's *very* easy to mis-estimate the lengths of animals, especially if they're already surprisingly large. None of the references supported the claim of an individual larger than that cited by Mertens, and unless we want this page to be nothing more than a rumor-mill for ridiculous claims, we need to demand some actual support for claims, such as either a dead specimen in a museum or a live individual which has been measured while under anaesthesia. Mokele ( talk) 01:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Unique among living varanid species, the animal's tail is two-thirds longer than the snout-to-vent length in both juveniles and adults.[4] Herpetologist Robert Sprackland gives the proportion as the tail being 210% of the animal's body length.[8] It is speculated that the creature can grow to a length in excess of 14 feet (4.75 metres),[8][9][10] which would make it the longest lizard in the world, but to date the longest recorded specimen is only 11.5 feet in length.[11] Most of this length is made up of the tail, which accounts for more than 60% of the animal's length.[4] At birth V. salvadorii is about 18 inches (45 cm) long, while a sexually mature female may grow to 5 feet (1.52 meters).--
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So... the discussion seems to have trailed off. Any more ideas on what to do? I still don't like the idea of spending extensive effort on speculations and giving made-up numbers. Mokele ( talk) 15:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, since I'm the only one who hasn't lost interest, I'll make the changes. Mokele ( talk) 17:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Many sites today often point out that saltwater crocodiles 27-30 feet long have been recorded without even giving a source to just a skull or even a tooth.
The size of the crocodile monitor has been eggagerated to as long 40 feet or almost twice the length of the largest megalania prisca which reached a max length of just 23 feet long.
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Most pages for species use it´s common name because most people don't know the scientific name. But not here, maybe because that name has already been taken, if is hasn't, can I (or someone else) change it to its common name? Quincy43425 ( talk) 14:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
OK I’ll take your advice. Quincy43425 ( talk) 14:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)