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– Per WP:ASTONISH and WP:PLURALPT there is no clear primary topic, the brand gets more views (15,024) than the vehicle (12,174) and the name has 15[ [1]]. By long-term significance the vehicle would clearly be primary. Category:Vans and Commons:Category:Vans are about the vehicle and Commons has the brand at Commons:Category:Vans (brand) but Vans (company) may be better. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 20:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 23:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 06:28, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Since normally users can be expected to search/link for/to topics using the singular form, searching/linking with a plural form is likely to be for a topic named with the plural form, when applicable. Example: Queens, the New York City borough, is the primary topic for the plural form of "queen".Still, there is no evidence that anyone is inconvenienced by the current setup. For the setup you propose, everyone looking for the brand would be. No such user ( talk) 15:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
the normal situation is that a plural redirects to its singularand the 2nd part of the point you quoted says
At the same time, since readers and editors expect plural redirects, Parachutes is a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to the device rather than being about the Coldplay album.which I added in response to the queens example, see talk. This is less than what's being asked here in that no primary topic rather than Chairs, Cars and Parachutes. Readers and editors expect plural forms to redirect to the singular so even those looking for the brand will at least expect it to be disambiguated. Unlike My My My! where only the song could be meant this is clearly ambiguous. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 19:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
the intentional use of a plural form by a reader or editor can be evidence that a separate primary topic exists at the plural form. Even your own evidence of pageviews (15000 for Vans, 12000 for van) suggests that this is the case here, and that this is no different than the Queens vs queen example. PLURALPT specifically advises considering the choice on case-by-case basis:
Using a plural as a separate primary topic is not specifically encouraged or discouraged; this page only describes the conditions where it is appropriate to do so.Personally, I would be surprised if Chairs, Cars and Parachutes would lead to a brand or an artwork. But Vans is a big enough household brand that justifies being a separate primary topic, such as Snickers or Skechers. No such user ( talk) 08:46, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
This is one of those cases where the plural form of a word has a meaning more used than the actual plural form of the word that represents the singular version.Sorry, but this is utter rubbish. There's a van sales place just down the road from my house. Guess what they sell? Vans! No, not shoes, but commercial vehicles. The plural is incredibly commonly seen. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 08:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
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– Per WP:ASTONISH and WP:PLURALPT there is no clear primary topic, the brand gets more views (15,024) than the vehicle (12,174) and the name has 15[ [1]]. By long-term significance the vehicle would clearly be primary. Category:Vans and Commons:Category:Vans are about the vehicle and Commons has the brand at Commons:Category:Vans (brand) but Vans (company) may be better. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 20:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 23:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 06:28, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Since normally users can be expected to search/link for/to topics using the singular form, searching/linking with a plural form is likely to be for a topic named with the plural form, when applicable. Example: Queens, the New York City borough, is the primary topic for the plural form of "queen".Still, there is no evidence that anyone is inconvenienced by the current setup. For the setup you propose, everyone looking for the brand would be. No such user ( talk) 15:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
the normal situation is that a plural redirects to its singularand the 2nd part of the point you quoted says
At the same time, since readers and editors expect plural redirects, Parachutes is a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to the device rather than being about the Coldplay album.which I added in response to the queens example, see talk. This is less than what's being asked here in that no primary topic rather than Chairs, Cars and Parachutes. Readers and editors expect plural forms to redirect to the singular so even those looking for the brand will at least expect it to be disambiguated. Unlike My My My! where only the song could be meant this is clearly ambiguous. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 19:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
the intentional use of a plural form by a reader or editor can be evidence that a separate primary topic exists at the plural form. Even your own evidence of pageviews (15000 for Vans, 12000 for van) suggests that this is the case here, and that this is no different than the Queens vs queen example. PLURALPT specifically advises considering the choice on case-by-case basis:
Using a plural as a separate primary topic is not specifically encouraged or discouraged; this page only describes the conditions where it is appropriate to do so.Personally, I would be surprised if Chairs, Cars and Parachutes would lead to a brand or an artwork. But Vans is a big enough household brand that justifies being a separate primary topic, such as Snickers or Skechers. No such user ( talk) 08:46, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
This is one of those cases where the plural form of a word has a meaning more used than the actual plural form of the word that represents the singular version.Sorry, but this is utter rubbish. There's a van sales place just down the road from my house. Guess what they sell? Vans! No, not shoes, but commercial vehicles. The plural is incredibly commonly seen. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 08:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)