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I've marked the stores list with the NPOV tag, which may seem like a somewhat unorthodox move, but here's my rationale: What constitutes a "major" store? Anchor stores can be fairly easily determined based on names. If I were to guess, I'd say that the anchors are probably Dillard's, Penney's, Macy's, and Sears. Anchor stores are fairly easily to define, and should be sectioned off on their own. The definition of "major" troubles me somewhat. What is the objective criteria here for defining a store as "major"? It seems that there is none. Is it based on square footage? Sales? Customer traffic? Who knows. We need to determine "major" in this case. Besides that, the "major" section is bifurcated, as there are two sections for "major" retailers. So let's rectify this... SchuminWeb ( Talk) 06:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the word to use is not "major". I think the wording should be "flagship". However, you should only use the word "Flagship" if the company considers it a flagship store. Please don't be mad at me but I'm going to re-edit the page to maje or look like a NPOV stand. Mystify85JEC 19:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Some major changes, perhaps long overdue, to the operation of Valley View Center appear to be about to get underway. Here's a link to an article that spells out part of what could be the beginning of the end. (Yes, that's a lot of weasel but I'll err on the side of caution here.) - Dravecky ( talk) 10:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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As one user has said, far less notable things have been included on Wikipedia.
I fail to see how a video that is rapidly gaining over 100,000 views a day (897,000 since its release 4 days ago) is “non notable”. I would argue that that is a rather significant moment for a dead and demolished mall that hardly anyone would have given any thought about if not for the video. Not0nshoree ( talk) 04:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
There is a rough consensus that a reliable, secondary source is necessary. Magnolia677 ( talk) 21:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Note both wp:brd and WP:ONUS is clear, to add this you need wp:consensus we do not need it to exclude it. Slatersteven ( talk) 14:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
I have asked for PP to stop the slow edit war over this. Slatersteven ( talk) 18:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
"The most-talked-about new horror film of the season isn’t in theaters or on a streamer, but on YouTube. Which is why you should turn off the lights and get lost in the viral CG nightmare “The Oldest View,” the latest cinematic brain-melter from 18-year-old prodigy Kane Parsons." 2001:9E8:2D02:900:9408:AD3A:BF7B:3BD0 ( talk) 17:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSNKesrUC_8
This video by YouTube channel The Film Theorists (12.8M subscribers) offers a critique and interpretation of The Oldest View. At the time of this writing, this analysis video was viewed 2.2M times. It mentions the Valley View Center at length.
"it's important to note that the Valley View Center doesn't actually exist anymore (...) by 2012 the mall was bought out by an investment group called Beck Ventures who didn't plan to save the dying mall but instead demolish it and rebuild the land into a completely different shopping district known as Dallas Midtown. In fact you can see part of Beck's plan to do this inside of The Oldest View as Wyatt is exploring the office space you can spot several artistic renderings and publicity images displayed on one of the walls that he walks by the very same ones that you can find in real life if you go to the actual website for the Dallas Midtown project"
Would a separate video by a reputable channel be admissible as a secondary source? This seems possible if the channel is reputable according to this page: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Video_links#As_references -- 2A02:8109:9D98:A400:B09D:9C0B:AE47:C019 ( talk) 22:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
An article was published by KSII talking about this mall and its relationship with The Oldest View. https://kisselpaso.com/the-backrooms-and-beyond-exploring-creepy-urban-exploration-trends-with-kane-pixels/ Lugamo94 ( talk) 14:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
It seems odd to me that I've seen so many analyses about The Oldest View mention the Valley View Mall and yet when I come to Wikipedia, the vaunted repository of knowledge, the only mention I see of The Oldest View on here is in the discussion section. Now, I don't know if this is some issue with where in the structure of the article it might go, if some of the detractors of adding it have gotten a little backed into their positions, or if it is perhaps some issue of site policy; but to me it seems entirely clear that The Oldest View is more than worthy of mentioning in the article. It seems that it's the most probable reason why someone from outside of the DFW Metroplex would be on this page at all.
I could be wrong, of course, but if I am then I fail to see the evidence.
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I've marked the stores list with the NPOV tag, which may seem like a somewhat unorthodox move, but here's my rationale: What constitutes a "major" store? Anchor stores can be fairly easily determined based on names. If I were to guess, I'd say that the anchors are probably Dillard's, Penney's, Macy's, and Sears. Anchor stores are fairly easily to define, and should be sectioned off on their own. The definition of "major" troubles me somewhat. What is the objective criteria here for defining a store as "major"? It seems that there is none. Is it based on square footage? Sales? Customer traffic? Who knows. We need to determine "major" in this case. Besides that, the "major" section is bifurcated, as there are two sections for "major" retailers. So let's rectify this... SchuminWeb ( Talk) 06:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the word to use is not "major". I think the wording should be "flagship". However, you should only use the word "Flagship" if the company considers it a flagship store. Please don't be mad at me but I'm going to re-edit the page to maje or look like a NPOV stand. Mystify85JEC 19:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Some major changes, perhaps long overdue, to the operation of Valley View Center appear to be about to get underway. Here's a link to an article that spells out part of what could be the beginning of the end. (Yes, that's a lot of weasel but I'll err on the side of caution here.) - Dravecky ( talk) 10:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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As one user has said, far less notable things have been included on Wikipedia.
I fail to see how a video that is rapidly gaining over 100,000 views a day (897,000 since its release 4 days ago) is “non notable”. I would argue that that is a rather significant moment for a dead and demolished mall that hardly anyone would have given any thought about if not for the video. Not0nshoree ( talk) 04:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
There is a rough consensus that a reliable, secondary source is necessary. Magnolia677 ( talk) 21:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Note both wp:brd and WP:ONUS is clear, to add this you need wp:consensus we do not need it to exclude it. Slatersteven ( talk) 14:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
I have asked for PP to stop the slow edit war over this. Slatersteven ( talk) 18:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
"The most-talked-about new horror film of the season isn’t in theaters or on a streamer, but on YouTube. Which is why you should turn off the lights and get lost in the viral CG nightmare “The Oldest View,” the latest cinematic brain-melter from 18-year-old prodigy Kane Parsons." 2001:9E8:2D02:900:9408:AD3A:BF7B:3BD0 ( talk) 17:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSNKesrUC_8
This video by YouTube channel The Film Theorists (12.8M subscribers) offers a critique and interpretation of The Oldest View. At the time of this writing, this analysis video was viewed 2.2M times. It mentions the Valley View Center at length.
"it's important to note that the Valley View Center doesn't actually exist anymore (...) by 2012 the mall was bought out by an investment group called Beck Ventures who didn't plan to save the dying mall but instead demolish it and rebuild the land into a completely different shopping district known as Dallas Midtown. In fact you can see part of Beck's plan to do this inside of The Oldest View as Wyatt is exploring the office space you can spot several artistic renderings and publicity images displayed on one of the walls that he walks by the very same ones that you can find in real life if you go to the actual website for the Dallas Midtown project"
Would a separate video by a reputable channel be admissible as a secondary source? This seems possible if the channel is reputable according to this page: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Video_links#As_references -- 2A02:8109:9D98:A400:B09D:9C0B:AE47:C019 ( talk) 22:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
An article was published by KSII talking about this mall and its relationship with The Oldest View. https://kisselpaso.com/the-backrooms-and-beyond-exploring-creepy-urban-exploration-trends-with-kane-pixels/ Lugamo94 ( talk) 14:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
It seems odd to me that I've seen so many analyses about The Oldest View mention the Valley View Mall and yet when I come to Wikipedia, the vaunted repository of knowledge, the only mention I see of The Oldest View on here is in the discussion section. Now, I don't know if this is some issue with where in the structure of the article it might go, if some of the detractors of adding it have gotten a little backed into their positions, or if it is perhaps some issue of site policy; but to me it seems entirely clear that The Oldest View is more than worthy of mentioning in the article. It seems that it's the most probable reason why someone from outside of the DFW Metroplex would be on this page at all.
I could be wrong, of course, but if I am then I fail to see the evidence.
George Mucus (
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15:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)