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Hello, could someone link this page to the French one ? I don't manage to do it.
I saw all the teasers and trailers of this film, but never managed to see the Shingouz... Anyone can confirm they really appear, as mentioned in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.19.153.104 ( talk) 12:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Hollywood Reporter, AllMovie and Variety, among others, all cite this as a US-France joint, so that point should be resolved. As far as the budget goes, every one of Besson's other films on Wikipedia are written in USD, and $180M is the most given figure, so it should be the one listed. Thoughts? TropicAces ( talk) 22:40, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Obviously you found an article by Hollywwod reporter and Variety that mention the US. Ohters (hundreds, in English and all languages) are very clear : it's a French film, produced by EuropaCorp and moreover independently. If you take just a few seconds to make a research, you'll see all media write it is a French film. There is absolutely no reason for this film to be considered as a joint venture or co-production with any other country. The rule is where is located the production company. For example, The Minion and Despicable me are made in France, but are American films because the producer is an American studio. All movie is not a reliable source as anyone can edit it and is linked to IMDB (the same). Unifrance is not the only source but the most offical as they are linked to the Ministry of Culture and have all the accounting documents. And if you look at the article indicated in the CNC (which owns Unifrance) report (but it's in French of course), they detail very accurately how the film is financed and all the numbers. Sincerely... We have the same problem with other EuropaCorp's films shot with English-speaking actors (in order to ease sales worldwide). On wikipedia, some people were doing war editing to write that Taken or Lucy were American films or coproductions. The same with The little prince.
Indeed, $180 million is a figure that we see in many articles... in US publications mainly. But the conversion rate changes all the time. That's why I think the budget in the currency that was used is better, and we can add the equivalent in other currencies but it changes. €197 is not oudated, it's just that the budget doesn't change once the film has been made. And we have enough recent articles indicated this amount. Herve.toullec ( talk) 10:30, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
You can submit corrections to Allmovie via their website. No, the sources that were listed on the wiki pages for months always wrote it is not a co-production. Until TropicAces decided to write it is and indicated sources containing mistakes, and deleted my corrections without trying to look closer. The only criteria taken into account in ALL wiki pages and technical documents in cinema is the nationality of the production companies as they own the films (otherwise Despicable me would be considered as a French film for instance). For Valerian, there is one : EuropaCorp, the studio created by Besson. Writing on Wikipedia that the films is a US-France makes no sense and is a lie. If you don't see it is a 100 % French-produced film, it means you don't want to see and I'm sad about that. When you edit articles on Wikipedia, it is to write true informations. And then journalists go to Wikipedia and spread false informations...
Luc Besson himself says it in this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV7cQzBwsq0 "Definitely, Valerian is not American" at 00:38 I can list every newspaper and site of reference : http://www.allocine.fr/film/fichefilm_gen_cfilm=237821.html http://www.programme-tv.net/news/cinema/113928-valerian-de-luc-besson-devient-le-film-francais-le-plus-cher-de-l-histoire/ http://www.20minutes.fr/cinema/2047919-20170411-valerian-luc-besson-explose-record-film-francais-plus-cher http://www.lefigaro.fr/cinema/2016/06/14/03002-20160614ARTFIG00237-luc-besson-valerian-le-film-francais-le-plus-cher-de-tous-les-temps.php http://www.vanityfair.fr/monde-de-vf/articles/-valerian-et-la-cite-des-mille-planetes-est-le-film-francais-le-plus-cher-de-lhistoire-du-cinema/52080 http://www.lepoint.fr/pop-culture/cinema/luc-besson-valerian-va-autoriser-de-jeunes-francais-a-rever-15-07-2017-2143430_2923.php
And here again with ALL DETAILS about the €197 million budget, with pieces and photos of intern documents used by the production : http://bfmbusiness.bfmtv.com/entreprise/valerian-rapportera-4-fois-plus-a-luc-besson-qu-a-toutes-ses-stars-948692.html
We have to rely on primary sources and not articles that just recycle other press articles without investigations. And we just have to look at the credits in the trailers. Sincerely, I just don't understand what is happening here. Herve.toullec ( talk) 12:16, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I have reported to Screen Daily the error in the article : http://www.screendaily.com/reviews/valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review/5119818.article They immediately recognized there was a mistake, as they had listed STX Entertainment as a production company wheareas it is the US distributor. Herve.toullec ( talk) 13:21, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Did you watch the interview of Besson I put up here ? Are these famous newspapers and specialized magazines I listed "selective fringe sites" ? I am upset by such ignorance. All established cinema publications and media say it is a French production. You still don't give what US company or studio was, according to you, involved in the makking of this film. I won't be the one who writes fake informations on Wikipedia... It is a serious problem if people who write on pages about films don't know what a co-production is. - "most expensive French production in film history" : http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-valerian-thousand-planets-reviews-20170720-story.html - "most expensive non American film ever made" : https://qz.com/1033865/valerian-luc-bessons-sci-fi-epic-is-the-most-expensive-non-american-film-ever-made/ - "France's most expensive film ever" http://theplaylist.net/valerian-city-thousand-planets-frances-expensive-film-ever-20170410/ - "Production country : France" : http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Valerian-and-the-City-of-a-Thousand-Planets-(France)#tab=summary - "Valerian is a 100 percent French production" : http://screenrant.com/valerian-most-expensive-film-production-france-history/ Herve.toullec ( talk) 17:28, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
For every source that says it is purely French, it seems there is another (sometimes apparently the very publication) that says the film is a co-production among France and US. I feel we can't assume that these sources are giving out blanket statements and themselves assuming the US was involved, so the "safe" thing is to list the US, although it does seem it's a toss up/crap shoot at this point; really just comes down to who do you believe TropicAces ( talk) 19:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, one person puts "USA" on IMDB as a country of production with France, by ignorance, thinking that such a sci-fi film, shot in English, must be American. Then there are journalists looking for information who go see IMDB and they spread it in articles. This is what happens. I contacted the author of the Variety article and he answered to me how he did : "I think I pulled that from IMDb". Simply. 99 % of what you can consider as source and doesn't contain mistakes clearly indicates that the film is 100 % French produced. EuropaCorp is a production company. A production company gathers a budget to make a film it owns. The money comes from everywhere, and in the case of Valerian, from presales around the world. That's why several countries/financers invested in it, like Fundamental films, Belga films, Gulf Films. Then EuropaCorp decides everything, the film is its property. This is how film production works. At the end of this article from BFMTV (main news channel in France), you can see the copy of a 20 page long document detailing the prevsionnal budget (most accurate figure we have so far) : 197 471 677 €. http://bfmbusiness.bfmtv.com/entreprise/valerian-rapportera-4-fois-plus-a-luc-besson-qu-a-toutes-ses-stars-948692.html Thank you NinjaRobotPirate for alerting the Wikiproject Film as I don't know how to do that myself. By the way I don't want to be agressive towards anyone but English is not my mother tongue and the way I write can seem brutal sometimes and I apology for that. I don't want to make assumptions of bad faith but you can guess my disarray in this situation. I helped create and enrich this wiki page with informations I'm sure about. Presenting this films as having a US origin is a huge technical, and intellectual property against-truth. I said it : we had the same problem with films like Taken, Lucy, The Little Prince, 100% French but shot in English to facilitate worldwide sales. TropicAces qualified as "fringe" sources that are among the most famous an established media in France and in the world. I can understand you did not know Unifrance before, but you can be sure it is the most authoritarian source you can expect (with an English version moreover). Herve.toullec ( talk) 22:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello, It seems strange to have a dollar budget range starting from 177 000 000. € 197 000 000 rather represent something like $ 220 000 000. " With a budget of € 197.47m according to the 2016 balance sheet of French cinema production published by the CNC..." http://cineuropa.org/nw.aspx?t=newsdetail&l=fr&did=326848 In a few months we will probably know the final amount of money spent, which must have been lowered from the initial budget. Herve.toullec ( talk) 07:35, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
The " Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets" article seems to be " fully protected" at the moment - nonetheless, the following reference ( ‘Valerian’ Is France’s Most Expensive Film Ever. Luc Besson Says ‘Who Cares? ), [1] published recently in the New York Times (19 July 2017), may be a worthy addition? - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan ( talk) 13:04, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
References
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2017/07/19/valerian-sci-fi-gambles/487442001/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.120.51 ( talk) 21:40, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Despite the title mentioning "Thousand Planets" the movie isn't very much related to the volume "Empire of a Thousand Planets". The main plot (the part in space station Alpha with the old race coming from a lush island planet) is more or less the plot from "Ambassador of the Shadows". Does anybody know if there is a volume which can be called the origin of the introductory adventure (the market in the "other dimension")? -- Alfe ( talk) 14:36, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Besson said the film is based on "Ambassador of the Shadows" but he had to enrich the script by new elements he imagined. And I guess that the City of a thousand planets is a way to intriduce the whole universe to the public and setting things in case there are new movies to come in a cinema franchise. Herve.toullec ( talk) 07:39, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
in the final sceene, where the General is confronted, I find the reference to "6 millions killed" and his optical representation (with the disguised swastika on the breast plate) and the complete speech like an reference to the killing in WWII and the rescue (and the massive hinderance by some states to help the jews to immigrate). Is this my POV? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:5C:8F1E:2F00:D0BE:97EA:30D4:45A8 ( talk) 19:15, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
There are currently two figures being used for the budget: the original budget as given in euros (€197 million) and a dollar figure ($177–210 million). All figures are sourced. I do not not dispute the euro figure but it is wrong for editors to remove the sourced dollar equivalents and replace them with WP:original research as Athos Magnus keeps doing here. The conversion rate between dollars and euros is not constant and changes on a daily basis, so what may be a correct conversion today does not necessarily represent a correct conversion when the film was made.
For example, IMDB states that filming took place in the first half of 2016, which is obviously the period when the bulk of the budget was spent. According to XE.com, €1 fluctuated between $1.07 and $1.12 during this period which translates to $210–220 million, so the sourced figure while slightly off is actually closer than the OR figure that Athos Magnus keeps adding, at least throughout this period. In fact, from the point filming started up to the time of its release it would have been impossible for €197 million to convert to $230 million or more. There would also have been some post-production work at the tail-end of 2016 and perhaps in early 2017 when the conversion rate dropped to $1.05 per euro (€197 million translates to $205 million using this rate). While I agree the lower bound in the sourced estimate appears to be too low the upper-bound of the estimate seems to be in the right ballpark i.e. $210 million.
Please do not make assumptions. This is WP:Original research which is prohibited by Wikipedia's policies, and this is a prime example of why those policies exist and why we require secondary sourcing. If we could find a more accurate sourced dollar figure (it seems very unlikely that Valerian could have a dollar budget less than $200 million over the period it was made unless the euro figure is incorrect) then I think that would be an improvement on what we currently have, but bunging in a load of original research is the wrong way to fix the problem. Betty Logan ( talk) 20:14, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
ADDENDUM: This Box Office Mojo article states that the overall budget was €197 million which translates to $209 million (which ties in with the XE.com conversion figures I mention above). However, the lower figures seems to come from deducting tax subsidies which takes the final figure "closer to $150 million". Now, we always include the gross and net budget in films about Hollywood films (such as at The Dark Knight Rises) so I see no reason for not doing that at this article. Betty Logan ( talk) 20:25, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
There have been further edits, this time by TropicAces, reverting the corrections I made last evening. Now, editors are entitled to revert me per WP:BRD, but if you do so you have an obligation to also discuss your rationale. A simple edit summary "not correct" does not actually rebuff any of my arguments above, unless you stipulate which part of my reasoning is incorrect. I am wondering if any of you guys have actually read the sources in the infobox?? None of the dollar sources in the article actually give the figure $210 million. The three figures given are $177.2 million [1], $180 million [2] and $209 million [3]. Now let's take a closer look at how those figures materialize:
If you disagree with my reasoning and are determined to revert me will you at least do me the courtesy of explaining your reasoning here as I have done. It would be greaty appreciated. This is not about winning it is about making sure the data is correct and it is interpreted correctly in the article. I appreciate that the currency conversions make this complicated but we need to work together on this and get to the bottom of it. Betty Logan ( talk) 18:35, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Should a section be written about the Valerian virtual reality experience coaster being built in Europa-park.
http://presse.europapark.com/en/presse/nachricht/datum/2018/04/23/auf-eurosat-coastiality-das-weltraum-abenteuer-valerian-die-stadt-der-tausend-planeten-erleben/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdonan ( talk • contribs) 22:09, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
That song strongly, but not 100% convincingly reminds me of Nina Simones "Feeling good". Is there a referable source confirming that? -- 88.66.13.202 ( talk) 21:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, could someone link this page to the French one ? I don't manage to do it.
I saw all the teasers and trailers of this film, but never managed to see the Shingouz... Anyone can confirm they really appear, as mentioned in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.19.153.104 ( talk) 12:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Hollywood Reporter, AllMovie and Variety, among others, all cite this as a US-France joint, so that point should be resolved. As far as the budget goes, every one of Besson's other films on Wikipedia are written in USD, and $180M is the most given figure, so it should be the one listed. Thoughts? TropicAces ( talk) 22:40, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Obviously you found an article by Hollywwod reporter and Variety that mention the US. Ohters (hundreds, in English and all languages) are very clear : it's a French film, produced by EuropaCorp and moreover independently. If you take just a few seconds to make a research, you'll see all media write it is a French film. There is absolutely no reason for this film to be considered as a joint venture or co-production with any other country. The rule is where is located the production company. For example, The Minion and Despicable me are made in France, but are American films because the producer is an American studio. All movie is not a reliable source as anyone can edit it and is linked to IMDB (the same). Unifrance is not the only source but the most offical as they are linked to the Ministry of Culture and have all the accounting documents. And if you look at the article indicated in the CNC (which owns Unifrance) report (but it's in French of course), they detail very accurately how the film is financed and all the numbers. Sincerely... We have the same problem with other EuropaCorp's films shot with English-speaking actors (in order to ease sales worldwide). On wikipedia, some people were doing war editing to write that Taken or Lucy were American films or coproductions. The same with The little prince.
Indeed, $180 million is a figure that we see in many articles... in US publications mainly. But the conversion rate changes all the time. That's why I think the budget in the currency that was used is better, and we can add the equivalent in other currencies but it changes. €197 is not oudated, it's just that the budget doesn't change once the film has been made. And we have enough recent articles indicated this amount. Herve.toullec ( talk) 10:30, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
You can submit corrections to Allmovie via their website. No, the sources that were listed on the wiki pages for months always wrote it is not a co-production. Until TropicAces decided to write it is and indicated sources containing mistakes, and deleted my corrections without trying to look closer. The only criteria taken into account in ALL wiki pages and technical documents in cinema is the nationality of the production companies as they own the films (otherwise Despicable me would be considered as a French film for instance). For Valerian, there is one : EuropaCorp, the studio created by Besson. Writing on Wikipedia that the films is a US-France makes no sense and is a lie. If you don't see it is a 100 % French-produced film, it means you don't want to see and I'm sad about that. When you edit articles on Wikipedia, it is to write true informations. And then journalists go to Wikipedia and spread false informations...
Luc Besson himself says it in this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV7cQzBwsq0 "Definitely, Valerian is not American" at 00:38 I can list every newspaper and site of reference : http://www.allocine.fr/film/fichefilm_gen_cfilm=237821.html http://www.programme-tv.net/news/cinema/113928-valerian-de-luc-besson-devient-le-film-francais-le-plus-cher-de-l-histoire/ http://www.20minutes.fr/cinema/2047919-20170411-valerian-luc-besson-explose-record-film-francais-plus-cher http://www.lefigaro.fr/cinema/2016/06/14/03002-20160614ARTFIG00237-luc-besson-valerian-le-film-francais-le-plus-cher-de-tous-les-temps.php http://www.vanityfair.fr/monde-de-vf/articles/-valerian-et-la-cite-des-mille-planetes-est-le-film-francais-le-plus-cher-de-lhistoire-du-cinema/52080 http://www.lepoint.fr/pop-culture/cinema/luc-besson-valerian-va-autoriser-de-jeunes-francais-a-rever-15-07-2017-2143430_2923.php
And here again with ALL DETAILS about the €197 million budget, with pieces and photos of intern documents used by the production : http://bfmbusiness.bfmtv.com/entreprise/valerian-rapportera-4-fois-plus-a-luc-besson-qu-a-toutes-ses-stars-948692.html
We have to rely on primary sources and not articles that just recycle other press articles without investigations. And we just have to look at the credits in the trailers. Sincerely, I just don't understand what is happening here. Herve.toullec ( talk) 12:16, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I have reported to Screen Daily the error in the article : http://www.screendaily.com/reviews/valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review/5119818.article They immediately recognized there was a mistake, as they had listed STX Entertainment as a production company wheareas it is the US distributor. Herve.toullec ( talk) 13:21, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Did you watch the interview of Besson I put up here ? Are these famous newspapers and specialized magazines I listed "selective fringe sites" ? I am upset by such ignorance. All established cinema publications and media say it is a French production. You still don't give what US company or studio was, according to you, involved in the makking of this film. I won't be the one who writes fake informations on Wikipedia... It is a serious problem if people who write on pages about films don't know what a co-production is. - "most expensive French production in film history" : http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-valerian-thousand-planets-reviews-20170720-story.html - "most expensive non American film ever made" : https://qz.com/1033865/valerian-luc-bessons-sci-fi-epic-is-the-most-expensive-non-american-film-ever-made/ - "France's most expensive film ever" http://theplaylist.net/valerian-city-thousand-planets-frances-expensive-film-ever-20170410/ - "Production country : France" : http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Valerian-and-the-City-of-a-Thousand-Planets-(France)#tab=summary - "Valerian is a 100 percent French production" : http://screenrant.com/valerian-most-expensive-film-production-france-history/ Herve.toullec ( talk) 17:28, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
For every source that says it is purely French, it seems there is another (sometimes apparently the very publication) that says the film is a co-production among France and US. I feel we can't assume that these sources are giving out blanket statements and themselves assuming the US was involved, so the "safe" thing is to list the US, although it does seem it's a toss up/crap shoot at this point; really just comes down to who do you believe TropicAces ( talk) 19:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, one person puts "USA" on IMDB as a country of production with France, by ignorance, thinking that such a sci-fi film, shot in English, must be American. Then there are journalists looking for information who go see IMDB and they spread it in articles. This is what happens. I contacted the author of the Variety article and he answered to me how he did : "I think I pulled that from IMDb". Simply. 99 % of what you can consider as source and doesn't contain mistakes clearly indicates that the film is 100 % French produced. EuropaCorp is a production company. A production company gathers a budget to make a film it owns. The money comes from everywhere, and in the case of Valerian, from presales around the world. That's why several countries/financers invested in it, like Fundamental films, Belga films, Gulf Films. Then EuropaCorp decides everything, the film is its property. This is how film production works. At the end of this article from BFMTV (main news channel in France), you can see the copy of a 20 page long document detailing the prevsionnal budget (most accurate figure we have so far) : 197 471 677 €. http://bfmbusiness.bfmtv.com/entreprise/valerian-rapportera-4-fois-plus-a-luc-besson-qu-a-toutes-ses-stars-948692.html Thank you NinjaRobotPirate for alerting the Wikiproject Film as I don't know how to do that myself. By the way I don't want to be agressive towards anyone but English is not my mother tongue and the way I write can seem brutal sometimes and I apology for that. I don't want to make assumptions of bad faith but you can guess my disarray in this situation. I helped create and enrich this wiki page with informations I'm sure about. Presenting this films as having a US origin is a huge technical, and intellectual property against-truth. I said it : we had the same problem with films like Taken, Lucy, The Little Prince, 100% French but shot in English to facilitate worldwide sales. TropicAces qualified as "fringe" sources that are among the most famous an established media in France and in the world. I can understand you did not know Unifrance before, but you can be sure it is the most authoritarian source you can expect (with an English version moreover). Herve.toullec ( talk) 22:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello, It seems strange to have a dollar budget range starting from 177 000 000. € 197 000 000 rather represent something like $ 220 000 000. " With a budget of € 197.47m according to the 2016 balance sheet of French cinema production published by the CNC..." http://cineuropa.org/nw.aspx?t=newsdetail&l=fr&did=326848 In a few months we will probably know the final amount of money spent, which must have been lowered from the initial budget. Herve.toullec ( talk) 07:35, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
The " Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets" article seems to be " fully protected" at the moment - nonetheless, the following reference ( ‘Valerian’ Is France’s Most Expensive Film Ever. Luc Besson Says ‘Who Cares? ), [1] published recently in the New York Times (19 July 2017), may be a worthy addition? - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan ( talk) 13:04, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
References
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2017/07/19/valerian-sci-fi-gambles/487442001/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.120.51 ( talk) 21:40, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Despite the title mentioning "Thousand Planets" the movie isn't very much related to the volume "Empire of a Thousand Planets". The main plot (the part in space station Alpha with the old race coming from a lush island planet) is more or less the plot from "Ambassador of the Shadows". Does anybody know if there is a volume which can be called the origin of the introductory adventure (the market in the "other dimension")? -- Alfe ( talk) 14:36, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Besson said the film is based on "Ambassador of the Shadows" but he had to enrich the script by new elements he imagined. And I guess that the City of a thousand planets is a way to intriduce the whole universe to the public and setting things in case there are new movies to come in a cinema franchise. Herve.toullec ( talk) 07:39, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
in the final sceene, where the General is confronted, I find the reference to "6 millions killed" and his optical representation (with the disguised swastika on the breast plate) and the complete speech like an reference to the killing in WWII and the rescue (and the massive hinderance by some states to help the jews to immigrate). Is this my POV? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:5C:8F1E:2F00:D0BE:97EA:30D4:45A8 ( talk) 19:15, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
There are currently two figures being used for the budget: the original budget as given in euros (€197 million) and a dollar figure ($177–210 million). All figures are sourced. I do not not dispute the euro figure but it is wrong for editors to remove the sourced dollar equivalents and replace them with WP:original research as Athos Magnus keeps doing here. The conversion rate between dollars and euros is not constant and changes on a daily basis, so what may be a correct conversion today does not necessarily represent a correct conversion when the film was made.
For example, IMDB states that filming took place in the first half of 2016, which is obviously the period when the bulk of the budget was spent. According to XE.com, €1 fluctuated between $1.07 and $1.12 during this period which translates to $210–220 million, so the sourced figure while slightly off is actually closer than the OR figure that Athos Magnus keeps adding, at least throughout this period. In fact, from the point filming started up to the time of its release it would have been impossible for €197 million to convert to $230 million or more. There would also have been some post-production work at the tail-end of 2016 and perhaps in early 2017 when the conversion rate dropped to $1.05 per euro (€197 million translates to $205 million using this rate). While I agree the lower bound in the sourced estimate appears to be too low the upper-bound of the estimate seems to be in the right ballpark i.e. $210 million.
Please do not make assumptions. This is WP:Original research which is prohibited by Wikipedia's policies, and this is a prime example of why those policies exist and why we require secondary sourcing. If we could find a more accurate sourced dollar figure (it seems very unlikely that Valerian could have a dollar budget less than $200 million over the period it was made unless the euro figure is incorrect) then I think that would be an improvement on what we currently have, but bunging in a load of original research is the wrong way to fix the problem. Betty Logan ( talk) 20:14, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
ADDENDUM: This Box Office Mojo article states that the overall budget was €197 million which translates to $209 million (which ties in with the XE.com conversion figures I mention above). However, the lower figures seems to come from deducting tax subsidies which takes the final figure "closer to $150 million". Now, we always include the gross and net budget in films about Hollywood films (such as at The Dark Knight Rises) so I see no reason for not doing that at this article. Betty Logan ( talk) 20:25, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
There have been further edits, this time by TropicAces, reverting the corrections I made last evening. Now, editors are entitled to revert me per WP:BRD, but if you do so you have an obligation to also discuss your rationale. A simple edit summary "not correct" does not actually rebuff any of my arguments above, unless you stipulate which part of my reasoning is incorrect. I am wondering if any of you guys have actually read the sources in the infobox?? None of the dollar sources in the article actually give the figure $210 million. The three figures given are $177.2 million [1], $180 million [2] and $209 million [3]. Now let's take a closer look at how those figures materialize:
If you disagree with my reasoning and are determined to revert me will you at least do me the courtesy of explaining your reasoning here as I have done. It would be greaty appreciated. This is not about winning it is about making sure the data is correct and it is interpreted correctly in the article. I appreciate that the currency conversions make this complicated but we need to work together on this and get to the bottom of it. Betty Logan ( talk) 18:35, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Should a section be written about the Valerian virtual reality experience coaster being built in Europa-park.
http://presse.europapark.com/en/presse/nachricht/datum/2018/04/23/auf-eurosat-coastiality-das-weltraum-abenteuer-valerian-die-stadt-der-tausend-planeten-erleben/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdonan ( talk • contribs) 22:09, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
That song strongly, but not 100% convincingly reminds me of Nina Simones "Feeling good". Is there a referable source confirming that? -- 88.66.13.202 ( talk) 21:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)