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Just because americans awaken doesn't mean the world does. The spaceships must appear during daytime in several countries if they appear simultaneously - thus, these inhabitants do not "awaken" to see them. CapnZapp ( talk) 19:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know if any of the original cast from the 1984 series will appear in the remake? -- Mikecraig ( talk) 23:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of David Richmond-Peck in the cast? Although he may not be "officially" listed as a main cast member, his character (Georgie Sutton) has had at least as much air time and an equally important impact to the storyline as others in the "main cast". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.29.195 ( talk) 11:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
There has been some discussion that right wing subtext may permeate the show. It certainly appears that way from the trailers. This Salon article describes it fairly accurately, though showing people subtext is hard enough when they are unbiased about it. When they are biased against it, well...there will be a discussion I suppose. Still, this isn't exactly subtle. -- 67.149.196.50 ( talk) 01:12, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
This section does not contain any "controversy", just pure speculations. It should be removed as trivia.
P.S. Did anyone ever wonder whether Darth Vader is right or left wing? No, because invasion is war, not politics. 85.130.10.106 ( talk) 22:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm beginning to wonder who is producing the show, ABC or FAUX(FOX)news? The continued disrespect shown to the President of The United States is repulsive. The last time I checked it was the American people, after eight years of George W. Bush, that heralded Obama as somekind of Messiah. However, the harsh reality is that he is a President (who has to go through the red tape and bureacracy)just like the 43 previous ones. The allegory was more transparent than saran wrap. Next, ABC will produce an anti-christ show starring Michael Ealy as President Osama. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.7.247.253 ( talk) 19:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Hitler was a fascist not a socialist. I think this controversy section need to go beyond the Obama references (I can't see any in the show) to the obvious propaganda against socialism itself. e.g. the visitors have one world government provide universal health care etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.143.158 ( talk) 05:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Isn´t this one of those controversy sections that makes an article worse and should be merged into for example the "reception" part? I mean, they said "úniversal healthcare" once. It seems overhyped. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the show has stirred up some controversy, but is this not the trend in recent Science Fiction? The reimaging of Battlestar Galactica comes to mind, especially in the Third season plotlines, specifically the "Occupation" theme, including suicide bombers, resistance fighters, government collaborators etc. Also, this may just be seen as nitpicking but the above writers are incorrect in their belief that Hitler was not a socialist, Nazism, or National Socialist were indeed one variety of socialists, The mistaken belief that fascism was/is an expression of extreme "right wing" philosophy, was propogated by the Soviet's and was a form of propoganda, Fascist were the enemy of communists after all, so therefore MUST be right wingers (assuming one considers communists to be left wing) If you look at the individual philospophies each movement, Communist, and Fascist espoused you will see more similarities then differences, This is not the place to discuss such things, but a good reference is the book "Modern Fascism" by Rev. George Veith (Concordia Publishing House) which presents a very good discussion of the differences, and similarities between these two philosophies, and explores historically and currently where these philosophies find favor today. Now back to V, Part of the alleged controversy I see is not so much that the Visitor's are portrayed as an allegory of the Obama administration (I find the the similarities, interesting) but that the Visitors are presented in such a way as to "sugar coat" the bitter pill of totalitarianism. I think it works well because in real life these are the ways dictators come to power, not by warfare but through giving people what they want, I think the writers and producers of V should be applauded for taking the much subtler and in my oppinion interesting path to showing the Vistor's "villiany" - Keith —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kheldarstl1 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Arf! In addition to the flu vaccine worries seemingly stoked by the season finale, anyone notice the passing mention of long waits for health care? Mere coincidence that this is precisely the concern for health care reform expressed by so many conservative pundits? I found one rather amateur reviewer who took note, any pros out there in the real media comment on this? -- Lopside ( talk) 20:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Some observers fail to notice the sops to the left that are also implicit. First, that "we'll make them dependent on Blue Energy and then shut it off" could be seen more directly as a commentary on the huge multi-national oil companies controlling human destiny than as a dig on a more vague sense of an emerging "dependence class" under Obama. Note that "Blue Energy" has to do with energy. Also, the series has definitely taken the stance that powerful interests are quick to label unpopular acts of political rebellion as 'terrorism', which is a much more resonant critique of the last administration than the current one.--tuttlemsm 74.232.161.243 ( talk) 12:16, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Comparisons between the Visitors and the Obama administration are pure insanity. It reminds me of the famous "So how long have you been beating your wife" question. No matter how you hit that tar baby, your hands will get messy. The Slate article listed as support is barely literate and dangles irrelevant charge words left and right in an apparent attempt to be interesting, but which instead fails to approach a point that has anything to do whatsoever with the "supporting details" provided. From what I can tell, none of the sources listed have made any connection between "Universal health care" from the V and "Universal health care" the political agenda other than the name itself. The reason for that, of course, is because the implementations of the two ideas are non-overlapping. A better assumption regarding the origin of the V health care idea is that it came from just about any other science fiction involving advanced aliens who publicly come to earth. Examples include To Serve Man referenced from the 1983 V page (also one of the most famous Twilight Zone episodes of all time) and Earth:_Final_Conflict. The idea that an alien species coming to earth and trying to get our trust would offer us health care is almost as obvious as the idea that they would use space ships to do the travelling. Simple common sense should not be confused with right-wing agendas and vacuous arguments should not be referenced in wikipedia just because some simpleton somewhere said so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.113.131 ( talk) 00:06, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm... I think the question you meant to say is, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Regardless, me thinks ye protest too much. Whether the correlation between the aliens of "V" and Obama administration was deliberate, accidental, conscious or subconscious, it still exists. The fact of the matter is that both fictional and real “evil overlords” would have to use the same techniques to achieve their goal of domination. Often people compare the tactics of liberals to the Nazis of WWII, but the reality is that the Nazis stole those methods from the Progressives, who were around, long before the National Socialists party started. TodKarlson ( talk) 15:41, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Admittedly, I'm a bit pissed about this, which is why I won't add it to the article due to my bias, but it appears that at least one major market station ( WKRN in Nashville) will not be airing this. -- Smashville talk 15:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
The wiki article for Arthur C. Clarke's "Childhood's End" mentions that the original "V" series has an opening scene based on the opening of his famous book. The preview of this new series certainly draws the same influence from Clarke. The Hulu promo mentions that the aliens come "bearing a universal message of hope to the world". This is similar to Clarke's aliens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.238.147.52 ( talk) 22:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
-- 76.102.12.104 ( talk) 05:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I find it very weird to have an article on a show with a multi-paragraph introduction that doesn't say anything regarding what the show is about. Every time I've added something BillCat removes it. So maybe he can explain why we need to know the names of the producers, but not anything about the show itself beyond that it's Sci-Fi. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 06:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
The new series "V" came out, and true to the opinions on both sides of the political divide, it caused immediate controversy.
Those who have been following my other opines in the "Cult of Personality" article will notice my stance, but for those who haven't here it is:
My personal opinions don't belong in a Wikipedia article ... and neither do yours. Our goal as Wikipedians is to be:
1) Impartial 2) Un-opinionated 3) Truthful, without distortion or concealment.
In my personal life, I'll freely admit that I have strong opinions and make them known. On Wikipedia, they don't belong.
However, by design or by intent or just by timing, this show is sitting on a polarizing issue ... and a political minefield where the mines are on hair triggers.
I'll be honest that I'm scared that this article, as well-written as it currently is, could be defaced in an edit-war that could be right around the corner. You'll notice I said 'could.' I've no evidence to support it could be defaced, but this is a political minefield.
I'm going to be adding this page to my watchlist, but I would like to request a 'pre-emptive strike' and semi-protect this page, at least for a short while.
Happy Trails!! Dr. Entropy ( talk) 21:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Tabascoman77, and thank you for your comments. I do want to apologize to you and others reading this if I sounded as if I were implying that the "Controversy" section was biased. I certainly did not mean to. The section does, in my opinion, reflect the NPoV tennant quite well.
I'm going to further agree with you that on such a hot-button topic as this, some people (on both sides) are going to read it as they want it to read ... not as it actually says.
I too hope the show succeeds. Although I doubt Ms Baccarin remembers it, we actually met once at a convention.
Anyway, I'm for semi-protecting the page, and again apologize to you and others if it sounded as if I were implying you were biased. I certainly did not mean to.
Happy Trails! Dr. Entropy ( talk) 22:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
How sure are we about the ratings? ABC has been advertising (crowing, no less) that over 18 million viewers watched the pilot. 75.48.44.193 ( talk) 07:24, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
This used to be in the article:
The Onion's
The A.V. Club gave V's premiere a 'C' rating, calling it "rote and by-the-numbers."
[1]
But The Onion is a joke- I am not picking on it, it is literally a joke- so I dont think the joke things that it posts belong in actual articles.
69.123.8.50 (
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13:36, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
I deleted the International Broadcast section as non-notable. Put simply WP:NOTNEWS and NOT TVGUIDE. Good television article do not include such a section. Some articles such as Battelstar Galactica do include some syndication information in prose form but they do not include a list. The WP:TV Style guidelines make no mention whatsoever of such a section. Even with citations the information is subject to change and awkward to verify again. Given the tendency of such a section to sprawl I'm deleting it now early and will watch out for it for the next while unless someone gives a strong justification to include it. -- Horkana ( talk) 20:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Adding info to the wiki about second season plans (or if the series was canceled) would be very helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.142.10 ( talk) 23:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
I would also like to see a discussion on why the show was taken off the ABC online catalog. It's very difficult to find the show online somewhere if you've missed an episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.115.102.80 ( talk) 04:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
I almost put this in the controversy-section, but this deserves its own section:
The show mocks Truthism. While it is at it, it mocks the teabaggers, birthers, 911-truthers, and other conspiracy-nuts. The references to teabaggers and birthers have thrown some off the trail. As a skeptic who has interacted with truthers and debuked , 911-truthers, moonhoaxers, birthers, teabaggers, timecubers, that crazy lady who is convinced that the rainbows she sees in her lawnsprinkers as a governmental conspiracy, et al; I get it.
I am not certain how to put this in the article, or even if I should since it might qualify as original research, but I put this on the talkpage for the contributors to consider. It surprises me that the article does not mention the obvious references to truthism.
Kanguruo ( talk) 05:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
The articles cited in the controversies are a bit more balanced than they seem from the quotes, and they include denials from the produces (although some of them seem weak denials). They writers probably don't have any strong political message but are probably more than happy to set things up to allow viewers to project their own ideas on it. -- Horkana ( talk) 07:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
If we going to do the 2009 characters, are we going to add any regard to the New York Resistance? Most of the character pages need a lot of work. Ominae ( talk) 04:14, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
what does "re-imagined mean? It doesn't seem to mean wha tthe word would normally mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.138.191.93 ( talk) 13:08, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Is it ever explained why Kyle Hobbes is British ex-SAS, yet has an Australian accent? I know
Charles Mesure was raised in Australia, but I presume we're not meant to believe
Kyle Hobbes has a Mancunian accent.
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Kordau (
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16:23, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
What does "re-imagined mean? It doesn't seem to mean wha tthe word would normally mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.138.191.93 ( talk) 13:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Term seems valid to me- I have seen the term used in reference to the way the Batman movie series started over. Those were not sequels or prequels or remakes either. 69.123.8.50 ( talk) 13:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
I took out the sections about host cities. It's just fan cruft, and absolutely not needed in the main article, especially the list labeling "possible host cities."-- Jason Garrick ( talk) 16:15, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Cast lists usually just introduce the characters. Do we really need to keep up with the latest plot points on each entry? - BilCat ( talk) 13:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Didn't someone refer to the character of Lisa as the Queen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greegan ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Should we make pages about the characters? They have enough information to have their own articles. Leader Vladimir ( talk) 19:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
perhaps maybe the main four characters anna her daughter, erica her son. though they must be descriptive and have critians or they will become candidates for deletions visit V wiki, a interdependent wikia site entirely dedicated to V, where atleast your work will be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.73.88.124 ( talk) 13:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
I can't find the Title theme song in the article. I think it is by the Muse, but can't verify this or even the name of the song. Its lyrics include: "We will be victorious..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whiterussian1974 ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The song is called "Uprising" by Muse, and yes it was just used in the original promos, not the series itself.— TAnthony Talk 23:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Since David Icke's ideas have been heavily influenced by the original series, I wonder why there is no mention of the fact that the new series has reciprocated this, and that they seem to have taken some Ickean ideas onboard (infiltration of government/religious organisations etc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.208.114.164 ( talk) 15:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
The fact is at the end. Therefore everything else is just opinion masquerading as fact.
The show's cast and crew deny the charges of bias. Actress Morena Baccarin acknowledges that she had modeled her character, Visitor leader Anna, after politicians but she and series executive producer Peters were surprised by the controversy. At a press conference at Summer TV Press Tour 2009, Peters said that the show was open to interpretation and that "people bring subjective thoughts to it... but there is no particular agenda.
It's like stating all 9/11 conspiracy theories as gospel truth then adding at the end, the official version as the rebuttal. No, the rebuttal in an encyclopedia goes first not at the end. This is not tawdry yellow journalism when opinion is portrayed as fact because there is a refutation of the charges at the end. The producers say they had no intention to allude to anything political leaving interpretation to the audience. Everything is else is opinion. This is the wrong path to follow because it begs the question whose opinion is best? The right winger or the left-leading liberal? The show creators have stated that the show offers up many interpretations therefore it is up to all individual to decide what has meaning and not the self-indulgent internet blogger.
The re-imagined series has been interpreted as an allegory of the presidency of Barack Obama. [2] [3] [4] In his review of the show, Troy Patterson of Slate points out that bloggers and journalists had noticed parallels between the show's premise and the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama, and writes that "if the show is to have the symbolic import that we expect from a science-fiction story, this is the only possible way to read V as a coherent text. The only problem with this analysis lies in its generous presupposition that the text is, in fact, coherent." [2] Lisa de Moraes of The Washington Post noted in her review that the fact the series was debuting on the first anniversary of Obama's election "was not lost on some ... TV critics" and also remarked that the use of phrases present in the series (such as "hope", "change", and "Universal Health Care" being offered by the Visitors) made it seem as though " Lou Dobbs had taken over the network, as those things only became popular with the current administration." [3] Chicago Tribune reviewer Glenn Garvin called the show "controversial", saying the series was "a barbed commentary on Obamamania that will infuriate the president's supporters and delight his detractors." [4] In Episode 8, Anna is asked why she is giving the V's "blue energy" to the humans, to which she replies, "Once they become dependent on it, we can turn it off." [5] Bloggers have interpreted this line as a commentary on the dangers of a growing dependency class under the Obama administration. [6] Protesters at at least one Tea Party event referenced the show on protest signs. [7] The show's cast and crew deny the charges of bias. Actress Morena Baccarin acknowledges that she had modeled her character, Visitor leader Anna, after politicians but she and series executive producer Peters were surprised by the controversy. At a press conference at Summer TV Press Tour 2009, Peters said that the show was open to interpretation and that "people bring subjective thoughts to it... but there is no particular agenda." [3] Bell agreed, stating that it was simply "a show about spaceships." [2]
Is V renewed for a third season? The end shows that it could be possible.
This new article version says, ABC is gonna produce 8 episodes as an end. where can I find proof for it?!--
NiciWhite (
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09:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
It may be a hoax, but I do not see a motive behind ABC insider. This is a pretty backwater category to be edit warring and being persistant at it, and this person is only going to string us along for two weeks anyways. I'm holding out hope that this is for real. After all they could have been filming all summer. Maybe its not 8 episodes but a one or two hour special to tie up the cliffhangers, like they did with stargate SG-1. Maybe there is a little truth in what ABC insider has to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.193.112.245 ( talk) 16:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
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Just because americans awaken doesn't mean the world does. The spaceships must appear during daytime in several countries if they appear simultaneously - thus, these inhabitants do not "awaken" to see them. CapnZapp ( talk) 19:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know if any of the original cast from the 1984 series will appear in the remake? -- Mikecraig ( talk) 23:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of David Richmond-Peck in the cast? Although he may not be "officially" listed as a main cast member, his character (Georgie Sutton) has had at least as much air time and an equally important impact to the storyline as others in the "main cast". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.29.195 ( talk) 11:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
There has been some discussion that right wing subtext may permeate the show. It certainly appears that way from the trailers. This Salon article describes it fairly accurately, though showing people subtext is hard enough when they are unbiased about it. When they are biased against it, well...there will be a discussion I suppose. Still, this isn't exactly subtle. -- 67.149.196.50 ( talk) 01:12, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
This section does not contain any "controversy", just pure speculations. It should be removed as trivia.
P.S. Did anyone ever wonder whether Darth Vader is right or left wing? No, because invasion is war, not politics. 85.130.10.106 ( talk) 22:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm beginning to wonder who is producing the show, ABC or FAUX(FOX)news? The continued disrespect shown to the President of The United States is repulsive. The last time I checked it was the American people, after eight years of George W. Bush, that heralded Obama as somekind of Messiah. However, the harsh reality is that he is a President (who has to go through the red tape and bureacracy)just like the 43 previous ones. The allegory was more transparent than saran wrap. Next, ABC will produce an anti-christ show starring Michael Ealy as President Osama. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.7.247.253 ( talk) 19:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Hitler was a fascist not a socialist. I think this controversy section need to go beyond the Obama references (I can't see any in the show) to the obvious propaganda against socialism itself. e.g. the visitors have one world government provide universal health care etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.143.158 ( talk) 05:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Isn´t this one of those controversy sections that makes an article worse and should be merged into for example the "reception" part? I mean, they said "úniversal healthcare" once. It seems overhyped. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the show has stirred up some controversy, but is this not the trend in recent Science Fiction? The reimaging of Battlestar Galactica comes to mind, especially in the Third season plotlines, specifically the "Occupation" theme, including suicide bombers, resistance fighters, government collaborators etc. Also, this may just be seen as nitpicking but the above writers are incorrect in their belief that Hitler was not a socialist, Nazism, or National Socialist were indeed one variety of socialists, The mistaken belief that fascism was/is an expression of extreme "right wing" philosophy, was propogated by the Soviet's and was a form of propoganda, Fascist were the enemy of communists after all, so therefore MUST be right wingers (assuming one considers communists to be left wing) If you look at the individual philospophies each movement, Communist, and Fascist espoused you will see more similarities then differences, This is not the place to discuss such things, but a good reference is the book "Modern Fascism" by Rev. George Veith (Concordia Publishing House) which presents a very good discussion of the differences, and similarities between these two philosophies, and explores historically and currently where these philosophies find favor today. Now back to V, Part of the alleged controversy I see is not so much that the Visitor's are portrayed as an allegory of the Obama administration (I find the the similarities, interesting) but that the Visitors are presented in such a way as to "sugar coat" the bitter pill of totalitarianism. I think it works well because in real life these are the ways dictators come to power, not by warfare but through giving people what they want, I think the writers and producers of V should be applauded for taking the much subtler and in my oppinion interesting path to showing the Vistor's "villiany" - Keith —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kheldarstl1 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Arf! In addition to the flu vaccine worries seemingly stoked by the season finale, anyone notice the passing mention of long waits for health care? Mere coincidence that this is precisely the concern for health care reform expressed by so many conservative pundits? I found one rather amateur reviewer who took note, any pros out there in the real media comment on this? -- Lopside ( talk) 20:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Some observers fail to notice the sops to the left that are also implicit. First, that "we'll make them dependent on Blue Energy and then shut it off" could be seen more directly as a commentary on the huge multi-national oil companies controlling human destiny than as a dig on a more vague sense of an emerging "dependence class" under Obama. Note that "Blue Energy" has to do with energy. Also, the series has definitely taken the stance that powerful interests are quick to label unpopular acts of political rebellion as 'terrorism', which is a much more resonant critique of the last administration than the current one.--tuttlemsm 74.232.161.243 ( talk) 12:16, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Comparisons between the Visitors and the Obama administration are pure insanity. It reminds me of the famous "So how long have you been beating your wife" question. No matter how you hit that tar baby, your hands will get messy. The Slate article listed as support is barely literate and dangles irrelevant charge words left and right in an apparent attempt to be interesting, but which instead fails to approach a point that has anything to do whatsoever with the "supporting details" provided. From what I can tell, none of the sources listed have made any connection between "Universal health care" from the V and "Universal health care" the political agenda other than the name itself. The reason for that, of course, is because the implementations of the two ideas are non-overlapping. A better assumption regarding the origin of the V health care idea is that it came from just about any other science fiction involving advanced aliens who publicly come to earth. Examples include To Serve Man referenced from the 1983 V page (also one of the most famous Twilight Zone episodes of all time) and Earth:_Final_Conflict. The idea that an alien species coming to earth and trying to get our trust would offer us health care is almost as obvious as the idea that they would use space ships to do the travelling. Simple common sense should not be confused with right-wing agendas and vacuous arguments should not be referenced in wikipedia just because some simpleton somewhere said so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.113.131 ( talk) 00:06, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm... I think the question you meant to say is, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Regardless, me thinks ye protest too much. Whether the correlation between the aliens of "V" and Obama administration was deliberate, accidental, conscious or subconscious, it still exists. The fact of the matter is that both fictional and real “evil overlords” would have to use the same techniques to achieve their goal of domination. Often people compare the tactics of liberals to the Nazis of WWII, but the reality is that the Nazis stole those methods from the Progressives, who were around, long before the National Socialists party started. TodKarlson ( talk) 15:41, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Admittedly, I'm a bit pissed about this, which is why I won't add it to the article due to my bias, but it appears that at least one major market station ( WKRN in Nashville) will not be airing this. -- Smashville talk 15:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
The wiki article for Arthur C. Clarke's "Childhood's End" mentions that the original "V" series has an opening scene based on the opening of his famous book. The preview of this new series certainly draws the same influence from Clarke. The Hulu promo mentions that the aliens come "bearing a universal message of hope to the world". This is similar to Clarke's aliens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.238.147.52 ( talk) 22:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
-- 76.102.12.104 ( talk) 05:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I find it very weird to have an article on a show with a multi-paragraph introduction that doesn't say anything regarding what the show is about. Every time I've added something BillCat removes it. So maybe he can explain why we need to know the names of the producers, but not anything about the show itself beyond that it's Sci-Fi. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 06:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
The new series "V" came out, and true to the opinions on both sides of the political divide, it caused immediate controversy.
Those who have been following my other opines in the "Cult of Personality" article will notice my stance, but for those who haven't here it is:
My personal opinions don't belong in a Wikipedia article ... and neither do yours. Our goal as Wikipedians is to be:
1) Impartial 2) Un-opinionated 3) Truthful, without distortion or concealment.
In my personal life, I'll freely admit that I have strong opinions and make them known. On Wikipedia, they don't belong.
However, by design or by intent or just by timing, this show is sitting on a polarizing issue ... and a political minefield where the mines are on hair triggers.
I'll be honest that I'm scared that this article, as well-written as it currently is, could be defaced in an edit-war that could be right around the corner. You'll notice I said 'could.' I've no evidence to support it could be defaced, but this is a political minefield.
I'm going to be adding this page to my watchlist, but I would like to request a 'pre-emptive strike' and semi-protect this page, at least for a short while.
Happy Trails!! Dr. Entropy ( talk) 21:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Tabascoman77, and thank you for your comments. I do want to apologize to you and others reading this if I sounded as if I were implying that the "Controversy" section was biased. I certainly did not mean to. The section does, in my opinion, reflect the NPoV tennant quite well.
I'm going to further agree with you that on such a hot-button topic as this, some people (on both sides) are going to read it as they want it to read ... not as it actually says.
I too hope the show succeeds. Although I doubt Ms Baccarin remembers it, we actually met once at a convention.
Anyway, I'm for semi-protecting the page, and again apologize to you and others if it sounded as if I were implying you were biased. I certainly did not mean to.
Happy Trails! Dr. Entropy ( talk) 22:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
How sure are we about the ratings? ABC has been advertising (crowing, no less) that over 18 million viewers watched the pilot. 75.48.44.193 ( talk) 07:24, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
This used to be in the article:
The Onion's
The A.V. Club gave V's premiere a 'C' rating, calling it "rote and by-the-numbers."
[1]
But The Onion is a joke- I am not picking on it, it is literally a joke- so I dont think the joke things that it posts belong in actual articles.
69.123.8.50 (
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13:36, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
I deleted the International Broadcast section as non-notable. Put simply WP:NOTNEWS and NOT TVGUIDE. Good television article do not include such a section. Some articles such as Battelstar Galactica do include some syndication information in prose form but they do not include a list. The WP:TV Style guidelines make no mention whatsoever of such a section. Even with citations the information is subject to change and awkward to verify again. Given the tendency of such a section to sprawl I'm deleting it now early and will watch out for it for the next while unless someone gives a strong justification to include it. -- Horkana ( talk) 20:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Adding info to the wiki about second season plans (or if the series was canceled) would be very helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.142.10 ( talk) 23:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
I would also like to see a discussion on why the show was taken off the ABC online catalog. It's very difficult to find the show online somewhere if you've missed an episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.115.102.80 ( talk) 04:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
I almost put this in the controversy-section, but this deserves its own section:
The show mocks Truthism. While it is at it, it mocks the teabaggers, birthers, 911-truthers, and other conspiracy-nuts. The references to teabaggers and birthers have thrown some off the trail. As a skeptic who has interacted with truthers and debuked , 911-truthers, moonhoaxers, birthers, teabaggers, timecubers, that crazy lady who is convinced that the rainbows she sees in her lawnsprinkers as a governmental conspiracy, et al; I get it.
I am not certain how to put this in the article, or even if I should since it might qualify as original research, but I put this on the talkpage for the contributors to consider. It surprises me that the article does not mention the obvious references to truthism.
Kanguruo ( talk) 05:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
The articles cited in the controversies are a bit more balanced than they seem from the quotes, and they include denials from the produces (although some of them seem weak denials). They writers probably don't have any strong political message but are probably more than happy to set things up to allow viewers to project their own ideas on it. -- Horkana ( talk) 07:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
If we going to do the 2009 characters, are we going to add any regard to the New York Resistance? Most of the character pages need a lot of work. Ominae ( talk) 04:14, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
what does "re-imagined mean? It doesn't seem to mean wha tthe word would normally mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.138.191.93 ( talk) 13:08, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Is it ever explained why Kyle Hobbes is British ex-SAS, yet has an Australian accent? I know
Charles Mesure was raised in Australia, but I presume we're not meant to believe
Kyle Hobbes has a Mancunian accent.
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Kordau (
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16:23, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
What does "re-imagined mean? It doesn't seem to mean wha tthe word would normally mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.138.191.93 ( talk) 13:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Term seems valid to me- I have seen the term used in reference to the way the Batman movie series started over. Those were not sequels or prequels or remakes either. 69.123.8.50 ( talk) 13:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
I took out the sections about host cities. It's just fan cruft, and absolutely not needed in the main article, especially the list labeling "possible host cities."-- Jason Garrick ( talk) 16:15, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Cast lists usually just introduce the characters. Do we really need to keep up with the latest plot points on each entry? - BilCat ( talk) 13:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Didn't someone refer to the character of Lisa as the Queen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greegan ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Should we make pages about the characters? They have enough information to have their own articles. Leader Vladimir ( talk) 19:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
perhaps maybe the main four characters anna her daughter, erica her son. though they must be descriptive and have critians or they will become candidates for deletions visit V wiki, a interdependent wikia site entirely dedicated to V, where atleast your work will be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.73.88.124 ( talk) 13:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
I can't find the Title theme song in the article. I think it is by the Muse, but can't verify this or even the name of the song. Its lyrics include: "We will be victorious..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whiterussian1974 ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The song is called "Uprising" by Muse, and yes it was just used in the original promos, not the series itself.— TAnthony Talk 23:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Since David Icke's ideas have been heavily influenced by the original series, I wonder why there is no mention of the fact that the new series has reciprocated this, and that they seem to have taken some Ickean ideas onboard (infiltration of government/religious organisations etc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.208.114.164 ( talk) 15:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
The fact is at the end. Therefore everything else is just opinion masquerading as fact.
The show's cast and crew deny the charges of bias. Actress Morena Baccarin acknowledges that she had modeled her character, Visitor leader Anna, after politicians but she and series executive producer Peters were surprised by the controversy. At a press conference at Summer TV Press Tour 2009, Peters said that the show was open to interpretation and that "people bring subjective thoughts to it... but there is no particular agenda.
It's like stating all 9/11 conspiracy theories as gospel truth then adding at the end, the official version as the rebuttal. No, the rebuttal in an encyclopedia goes first not at the end. This is not tawdry yellow journalism when opinion is portrayed as fact because there is a refutation of the charges at the end. The producers say they had no intention to allude to anything political leaving interpretation to the audience. Everything is else is opinion. This is the wrong path to follow because it begs the question whose opinion is best? The right winger or the left-leading liberal? The show creators have stated that the show offers up many interpretations therefore it is up to all individual to decide what has meaning and not the self-indulgent internet blogger.
The re-imagined series has been interpreted as an allegory of the presidency of Barack Obama. [2] [3] [4] In his review of the show, Troy Patterson of Slate points out that bloggers and journalists had noticed parallels between the show's premise and the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama, and writes that "if the show is to have the symbolic import that we expect from a science-fiction story, this is the only possible way to read V as a coherent text. The only problem with this analysis lies in its generous presupposition that the text is, in fact, coherent." [2] Lisa de Moraes of The Washington Post noted in her review that the fact the series was debuting on the first anniversary of Obama's election "was not lost on some ... TV critics" and also remarked that the use of phrases present in the series (such as "hope", "change", and "Universal Health Care" being offered by the Visitors) made it seem as though " Lou Dobbs had taken over the network, as those things only became popular with the current administration." [3] Chicago Tribune reviewer Glenn Garvin called the show "controversial", saying the series was "a barbed commentary on Obamamania that will infuriate the president's supporters and delight his detractors." [4] In Episode 8, Anna is asked why she is giving the V's "blue energy" to the humans, to which she replies, "Once they become dependent on it, we can turn it off." [5] Bloggers have interpreted this line as a commentary on the dangers of a growing dependency class under the Obama administration. [6] Protesters at at least one Tea Party event referenced the show on protest signs. [7] The show's cast and crew deny the charges of bias. Actress Morena Baccarin acknowledges that she had modeled her character, Visitor leader Anna, after politicians but she and series executive producer Peters were surprised by the controversy. At a press conference at Summer TV Press Tour 2009, Peters said that the show was open to interpretation and that "people bring subjective thoughts to it... but there is no particular agenda." [3] Bell agreed, stating that it was simply "a show about spaceships." [2]
Is V renewed for a third season? The end shows that it could be possible.
This new article version says, ABC is gonna produce 8 episodes as an end. where can I find proof for it?!--
NiciWhite (
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09:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
It may be a hoax, but I do not see a motive behind ABC insider. This is a pretty backwater category to be edit warring and being persistant at it, and this person is only going to string us along for two weeks anyways. I'm holding out hope that this is for real. After all they could have been filming all summer. Maybe its not 8 episodes but a one or two hour special to tie up the cliffhangers, like they did with stargate SG-1. Maybe there is a little truth in what ABC insider has to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.193.112.245 ( talk) 16:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)