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Much of the text describing the technical details make sure to point out how the design is inferior to I6 or V8 layouts. Many, many qualifying weasel words like 'most of the vibration' 'some harshness' 'not as much as a I6' and to an automotive layman would give the impression that any v6 is a bad design. More time should be spent indicating that most modern designs have a achieved perfectly acceptable smoothness and performance despite what technical theory tells us.
V6 is the second most used configuration, after I4.
At the end of it all it makes the article sound biased against them.
Technically unbalanced, but commercially extremely successful, moreso in 2014 than many more inherently balanced designs. If we are going to mention flaws of the v6 compared to I6 and v8 designs it should be noted in this article more strongly that the others have drawbacks that the v6 does better at like lack of low rev torque of an I6 and cost and size penalties of V8s. There was a time the v8 was considered inferior to all straight designs from a smoothness standpoint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.94.167.79 ( talk) 06:15, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
But a layman reading the article does not get that point as well as you have just laid out. There are multiple sections that go into technical shortcomings of the design, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.94.167.79 ( talk) 04:11, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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I see this article is Globalize tagged since 2015. I can't see any particular geographic imbalance issues now, so unless someone objects, I'll remove the tag... -- Arny ( talk) 10:58, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Dhtwiki, the point of my edit was that the article contradicts itself.
The lede - as reverted - states that:
The first V6 was invented and placed into production by Delahaye in 1911 using a 30° 3.2-litre DOHC and it was installed in the Delahaye Type 44.
But the article itself under Use in automobiles states:
In 1906, a few years after V4 engines and V8 engines had come into existence, the first known V6 engine was built. This V6 engine was a single prototype automotive engine built by Marmon Motor Car Company in the United States. [1] The engine did not reach production. Similarly, a single prototype engine was produced by Buick in 1918. [2]: 77–78
The first V6 engine to reach production was built from 1908 to 1913 by the Deutz Gasmotoren Fabrik in Germany. These V6 engines were used as the generator for gasoline-electric railway engines. [3]
This entire section is also sourced, and predates the claim from Delahaye by three years for Deutz, and five years for Marmon. (Although I will concede that the Marmon engine was not placed into production, but it was built in 1906 and thus casts doubt on the claim that Delahaye invented it in 1911.) If the claim were for a single engine or manufacturer, I'd be willing to hedge my bets, but this is a claim that two different manufacturers both produced V6 engines prior to those built by Delahaye by some years.
Additionally, although the Delahaye claim is sourced - it is not further explored in the article itself. The lede (as you obliquely mention) is not the place for specific titbits of info, but is to summarise the article itself. That alone excludes this info, especially give that the claim is contradicted by sourced info that is contained in the article. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 22:15, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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Much of the text describing the technical details make sure to point out how the design is inferior to I6 or V8 layouts. Many, many qualifying weasel words like 'most of the vibration' 'some harshness' 'not as much as a I6' and to an automotive layman would give the impression that any v6 is a bad design. More time should be spent indicating that most modern designs have a achieved perfectly acceptable smoothness and performance despite what technical theory tells us.
V6 is the second most used configuration, after I4.
At the end of it all it makes the article sound biased against them.
Technically unbalanced, but commercially extremely successful, moreso in 2014 than many more inherently balanced designs. If we are going to mention flaws of the v6 compared to I6 and v8 designs it should be noted in this article more strongly that the others have drawbacks that the v6 does better at like lack of low rev torque of an I6 and cost and size penalties of V8s. There was a time the v8 was considered inferior to all straight designs from a smoothness standpoint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.94.167.79 ( talk) 06:15, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
But a layman reading the article does not get that point as well as you have just laid out. There are multiple sections that go into technical shortcomings of the design, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.94.167.79 ( talk) 04:11, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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I see this article is Globalize tagged since 2015. I can't see any particular geographic imbalance issues now, so unless someone objects, I'll remove the tag... -- Arny ( talk) 10:58, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Dhtwiki, the point of my edit was that the article contradicts itself.
The lede - as reverted - states that:
The first V6 was invented and placed into production by Delahaye in 1911 using a 30° 3.2-litre DOHC and it was installed in the Delahaye Type 44.
But the article itself under Use in automobiles states:
In 1906, a few years after V4 engines and V8 engines had come into existence, the first known V6 engine was built. This V6 engine was a single prototype automotive engine built by Marmon Motor Car Company in the United States. [1] The engine did not reach production. Similarly, a single prototype engine was produced by Buick in 1918. [2]: 77–78
The first V6 engine to reach production was built from 1908 to 1913 by the Deutz Gasmotoren Fabrik in Germany. These V6 engines were used as the generator for gasoline-electric railway engines. [3]
This entire section is also sourced, and predates the claim from Delahaye by three years for Deutz, and five years for Marmon. (Although I will concede that the Marmon engine was not placed into production, but it was built in 1906 and thus casts doubt on the claim that Delahaye invented it in 1911.) If the claim were for a single engine or manufacturer, I'd be willing to hedge my bets, but this is a claim that two different manufacturers both produced V6 engines prior to those built by Delahaye by some years.
Additionally, although the Delahaye claim is sourced - it is not further explored in the article itself. The lede (as you obliquely mention) is not the place for specific titbits of info, but is to summarise the article itself. That alone excludes this info, especially give that the claim is contradicted by sourced info that is contained in the article. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 22:15, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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