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The D50 is definately not a ute, it's bed isn't integral with the rest of the body- though it does fit very close to the cab. Dodge made a ute version of their front-drive Omni car.
as the article says a ute is "any commercial vehicle that has an open cargo carrying space, but requires only a passenger car licence to drive. This includes both coupe utilities, pickup trucks and traybacks (flatbed pickup trucks). An example of the broadness of this definition is that anything from a Ford F250 XL to a Proton Jumbuck called a ute." so although i dont know what it is your description defines it as a ute —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grinchsmate ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
This is true. The Ram 50 is actually a Mitsubishi Mighty Max. A pick up truck. Jax Rhapsody — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jax Rhapsody ( talk • contribs) 07:50, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes We all know of the Ranchero but there was also a smaller version using the Fox Chassis based on the Fairmont called the Durango it needs to be included in the list of american Ute's just like the GMC version of the EL Camino- the Sprint actually. Jax Rhapsody 07:00PM July 4 2011
I've seen various 'definitions' of the Coupe Utility over the years & this is the first time I've seen 'monocoque' as being a pre-requisite. Surely, Lew Bandt's original 1934 utility wouldn't qualify under this definition, as all Fords of that era were built on a full chassis. As a matter of fact, arguably the most popular ute ever built, the HQ to WB series Holden & Kingswood (1971-1984) also had a full perimeter frame chassis.
I think the 'Coupe Utility' can be clearly defined by the 'tray combined with cab' design, but I have serious issues with any requirement that it be monocoque.
Another anomaly from the modern era would be the Ford Falcon ute from AU to FG (99 to current) has its tray separate from the cabin, again not fitting the Coupe Utility definition.
The last paragraph where it is said that any ute or pick-up with a 'style-side' tray could loosely be called a ute, even if it was not based on a passenger car design is OK, as long as is it made clear that it is not a Coupe Utility. ( Terrybebb ( talk) 21:08, 3 November 2009 (UTC))
The editors here should not be trying to define this car body style; they should be finding notable sources that define this body style. The article at present is a house of cards built around a notion rather than verifiability. Several other article, Pickup Truck, etc. that link here are constued around the monocoque notion. Where is the support? 842U ( talk) 13:01, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
This is one of the better articles on Lew Bandt's original coupe utility, is it OK for a reference ? http://www.fastlane.com.au/Features/First_ute.htm ( Terrybebb ( talk) 06:03, 19 January 2012 (UTC))
I think the idea that the pick-up box needs to be the same piece of sheetmetal as the cab is kind of silly -- that's really not the key differentiator for these car-based trucks. I understand there is no official definition but it seems really odd to exclude the Falcon Ute as it is clearly in the same market segment as the Holden Commodore. I read the article on Lew Bandt's initial design -- my interpretation is that the vehicle had to be passenger car-based and have a pick-up box on the back. I think that would be a good definition. Jon1234567 ( talk) 16:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
It;'s not just a matter of it being "kind of silly", I believe all we are discussing is the difference between a utility & a coupe utility. The Falcon ute & all other car-based pick-ups are still utilities, but if the tray is inclusive, it becomes a coupe utility. I understand that's how the various manufacturers view it. ( Terrybebb ( talk) 01:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC))
Given that "ute" and "pickup" are both just location-specific terms for trayback vehicles, I believe the topic of this article is actually something like "trayback vehicles sold in Australia" (since the rest of the world calls them "pickups"). While the "ute" may have been originally marketed as a "coupe utility", the generally accepted term these days is "ute". Examples:
In my experience, many Australians understand that "ute" is short for "utility", however no-one is familiar with the term "coupe utility".
I suggest that this article should be renamed "ute (vehicle)", since this is the more commonly-used term. 1292simon ( talk) 08:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
In accordance with WP:BOLD, I have made the following changes:
Cheers, 1292simon ( talk) 01:38, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Maybe somebody else can make more out of this:
This might have swapped over the Indian Ocean from Australia, from where GM South Africa also produces Chevrolet badged passenger cars. -- L.Willms ( talk) 20:06, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
We recently visited Australia for the first time in several decades. Our host met us and transported us to his place in his new Ute. I had seen many of them in the UK but was unaware they were called Utes in Australia.
I have just checked out what Wikipedia says about utes and was surprised to see there is no mention of four-door utes.
The majority of those I saw in Sydney had four doors - and looked as though they had never seen the outback!
86.145.137.138 ( talk) 14:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)Bryan Burdett
The assumption that ute is a local dialect is incorrect as the coupe utility is an original invention... the 34 ford ute..as as such is the correct name for the vehicle type 2door with styleside at the rear.through time trayback utes came onto the market, and 4wd ones.a ute is a vehicle described above that can be driven with a car licence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barana ( talk • contribs) 11:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC) (Post moved from top by Eagleash ( talk) 11:46, 20 January 2016 (UTC))
An anon-IP and myself have a disagreement about whether pickups should be included here or not – specifically the Nissan Navara but the Toyota Hilux would also fall under this discussion. From the article:
A ute – an abbreviation for "utility" or "coupé utility" – is a term used originally in Australia and New Zealand to describe usually two-wheel-drive, traditionally passenger vehicles with a cargo tray in the rear integrated with the passenger body; as opposed to a pickup whose cargo tray is not integrated with the passenger body.
To me it seems obvious that the Navara and Hilux are pickups but are not coupe utilities because they are not based on passenger vehilces. Since "ute" is an abbreviation of "coupe utility" and the Navara and Hilux and not coupe utilities, then they are not utes. Stepho talk 04:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
As an Australian, I can safely say that a Ute has to have a sedan version and a ute version for it to be considered a ute. If the 4WD Hilux or Navara have sedan versions, then they are a ute. If not, they are pickiup trucks. It's not hard to understand. However it is factual that as the ute is no longer manufactured, people have started erroneously calling trucks "utes" to help with sales. There is an attempt to change the definitian by certian financial institutions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infiltratr ( talk • contribs) 02:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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The D50 is definately not a ute, it's bed isn't integral with the rest of the body- though it does fit very close to the cab. Dodge made a ute version of their front-drive Omni car.
as the article says a ute is "any commercial vehicle that has an open cargo carrying space, but requires only a passenger car licence to drive. This includes both coupe utilities, pickup trucks and traybacks (flatbed pickup trucks). An example of the broadness of this definition is that anything from a Ford F250 XL to a Proton Jumbuck called a ute." so although i dont know what it is your description defines it as a ute —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grinchsmate ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
This is true. The Ram 50 is actually a Mitsubishi Mighty Max. A pick up truck. Jax Rhapsody — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jax Rhapsody ( talk • contribs) 07:50, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes We all know of the Ranchero but there was also a smaller version using the Fox Chassis based on the Fairmont called the Durango it needs to be included in the list of american Ute's just like the GMC version of the EL Camino- the Sprint actually. Jax Rhapsody 07:00PM July 4 2011
I've seen various 'definitions' of the Coupe Utility over the years & this is the first time I've seen 'monocoque' as being a pre-requisite. Surely, Lew Bandt's original 1934 utility wouldn't qualify under this definition, as all Fords of that era were built on a full chassis. As a matter of fact, arguably the most popular ute ever built, the HQ to WB series Holden & Kingswood (1971-1984) also had a full perimeter frame chassis.
I think the 'Coupe Utility' can be clearly defined by the 'tray combined with cab' design, but I have serious issues with any requirement that it be monocoque.
Another anomaly from the modern era would be the Ford Falcon ute from AU to FG (99 to current) has its tray separate from the cabin, again not fitting the Coupe Utility definition.
The last paragraph where it is said that any ute or pick-up with a 'style-side' tray could loosely be called a ute, even if it was not based on a passenger car design is OK, as long as is it made clear that it is not a Coupe Utility. ( Terrybebb ( talk) 21:08, 3 November 2009 (UTC))
The editors here should not be trying to define this car body style; they should be finding notable sources that define this body style. The article at present is a house of cards built around a notion rather than verifiability. Several other article, Pickup Truck, etc. that link here are constued around the monocoque notion. Where is the support? 842U ( talk) 13:01, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
This is one of the better articles on Lew Bandt's original coupe utility, is it OK for a reference ? http://www.fastlane.com.au/Features/First_ute.htm ( Terrybebb ( talk) 06:03, 19 January 2012 (UTC))
I think the idea that the pick-up box needs to be the same piece of sheetmetal as the cab is kind of silly -- that's really not the key differentiator for these car-based trucks. I understand there is no official definition but it seems really odd to exclude the Falcon Ute as it is clearly in the same market segment as the Holden Commodore. I read the article on Lew Bandt's initial design -- my interpretation is that the vehicle had to be passenger car-based and have a pick-up box on the back. I think that would be a good definition. Jon1234567 ( talk) 16:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
It;'s not just a matter of it being "kind of silly", I believe all we are discussing is the difference between a utility & a coupe utility. The Falcon ute & all other car-based pick-ups are still utilities, but if the tray is inclusive, it becomes a coupe utility. I understand that's how the various manufacturers view it. ( Terrybebb ( talk) 01:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC))
Given that "ute" and "pickup" are both just location-specific terms for trayback vehicles, I believe the topic of this article is actually something like "trayback vehicles sold in Australia" (since the rest of the world calls them "pickups"). While the "ute" may have been originally marketed as a "coupe utility", the generally accepted term these days is "ute". Examples:
In my experience, many Australians understand that "ute" is short for "utility", however no-one is familiar with the term "coupe utility".
I suggest that this article should be renamed "ute (vehicle)", since this is the more commonly-used term. 1292simon ( talk) 08:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
In accordance with WP:BOLD, I have made the following changes:
Cheers, 1292simon ( talk) 01:38, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Maybe somebody else can make more out of this:
This might have swapped over the Indian Ocean from Australia, from where GM South Africa also produces Chevrolet badged passenger cars. -- L.Willms ( talk) 20:06, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
We recently visited Australia for the first time in several decades. Our host met us and transported us to his place in his new Ute. I had seen many of them in the UK but was unaware they were called Utes in Australia.
I have just checked out what Wikipedia says about utes and was surprised to see there is no mention of four-door utes.
The majority of those I saw in Sydney had four doors - and looked as though they had never seen the outback!
86.145.137.138 ( talk) 14:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)Bryan Burdett
The assumption that ute is a local dialect is incorrect as the coupe utility is an original invention... the 34 ford ute..as as such is the correct name for the vehicle type 2door with styleside at the rear.through time trayback utes came onto the market, and 4wd ones.a ute is a vehicle described above that can be driven with a car licence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barana ( talk • contribs) 11:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC) (Post moved from top by Eagleash ( talk) 11:46, 20 January 2016 (UTC))
An anon-IP and myself have a disagreement about whether pickups should be included here or not – specifically the Nissan Navara but the Toyota Hilux would also fall under this discussion. From the article:
A ute – an abbreviation for "utility" or "coupé utility" – is a term used originally in Australia and New Zealand to describe usually two-wheel-drive, traditionally passenger vehicles with a cargo tray in the rear integrated with the passenger body; as opposed to a pickup whose cargo tray is not integrated with the passenger body.
To me it seems obvious that the Navara and Hilux are pickups but are not coupe utilities because they are not based on passenger vehilces. Since "ute" is an abbreviation of "coupe utility" and the Navara and Hilux and not coupe utilities, then they are not utes. Stepho talk 04:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
As an Australian, I can safely say that a Ute has to have a sedan version and a ute version for it to be considered a ute. If the 4WD Hilux or Navara have sedan versions, then they are a ute. If not, they are pickiup trucks. It's not hard to understand. However it is factual that as the ute is no longer manufactured, people have started erroneously calling trucks "utes" to help with sales. There is an attempt to change the definitian by certian financial institutions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infiltratr ( talk • contribs) 02:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)