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So, the Arizona Coyotes are basically confirmed going to Utah, But when should this page get moved Wednesday or Thursday? CollegeFootball25 ( talk) 09:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Since the Coyotes are getting the old Cleveland Browns treatment, should we say that they are a new team in their history? KENGRIFFEY24FAN ( talk) 23:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Since the NHL has declared the Utah team to be an expansion franchise & thus not the Coyotes relocated. I presume when a captain is named, he'll not be considered a successor to Oliver Ekman-Larsson. GoodDay ( talk) 14:35, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material.
In the "acquired" section of the roster template, should all the dates be changed to 2024? I think so because since it's technically not a relocation, so when they joined the Coyotes doesn't matter. XR228 ( talk) 01:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
I noted the edits by User:Sbaio and User:Wracking regarding the first sentence: "The Utah NHL team are ..." versus "The Utah NHL team is ...," respectively. I agree with Wracking that it should be "is" and I just want to weigh in with some thoughts on the issue. The Wikipedia page (which Sbaio cited in an edit summary) discussing American and British English in this sort of situation notes as follows (footnote jumps and "defined term" omitted): "In American English, collective nouns are almost always singular in construction: the committee was unable to agree. However, when a speaker wishes to emphasize that the individuals are acting separately, a plural pronoun may be employed with a singular or plural verb: the team takes their seats, rather than the team takes its seats. Such a sentence would most likely be recast as the team members take their seats. With exceptions such as usage in The New York Times, the names of sports teams are usually treated as plurals even if the form of the name is singular." (The Washington Post slavishly and absurdly follows the Times on that issue as well.) I think two principles apply here. First, there's no question the sentence in this article is not referring to individuals acting separately. It's referring to the team as an organization. Second, "Utah NHL team" in this context is not being used as a formal team name in the manner of "Washington Capitals" or "Washington Redskins"—it's a placeholder being used until the ownership group selects a new name (I have jokingly said it should be "Utah Youths" in reference to the "Two Utes" scene in My Cousin Vinny). While it's not controlling here, there was an RfC a few years ago with regard to the ridiculous temporary name "Washington Football Team," specifically whether to treat it as singular or plural. I had voted for plural there under the principle that it was being used as the formal team name during that period, and I note the words "Football Team" were both universally capitalized when referring to it. In the years since then I've come around to agreeing with the principle that it's more of a generic placeholder ("merely descriptive," to borrow a term from trademark law), and in the Utah hockey team context I think the use of the form "NHL team," capitalized as such, is a considerably more generic term than "Washington Football Team" (capitalized as such and not referring to the NFL). 1995hoo ( talk) 20:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
This needs to be discussed again, because the team will officially use the "Utah Hockey Club" name for the 2024–25 season so it is not a placeholder name like "Utah NHL team". It is the same situation as "Washington Football Team". I tried changing it from "is" to "are", but a certain editor thinks edit warring is better than discussing. – sbaio 05:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Utah's NHL franchise has developed theiris an example of using singular their. (To be honest, "its" would be a better fit as a possessive pronoun to replace "franchise".) As a matter of writing style, though, note English Wikipedia is free to adopt a specific convention that it applies generally, rather than reach different conclusions on a team-by-team basis. isaacl ( talk) 16:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Now obviously this upcoming season will have no name, but afterwards do we add the name back to that season or treat it like the Washington Commanders when they transitioned from Redskins? (i.e. 2020 and 2021 are listed as Washington Football Team and do not have Commanders added back to them) 47.153.148.108 ( talk) 20:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
It's literally the same Arizona franchise. It's not a new team. The league isn't expanding. A team is moving. Every other page for a team that has moved keeps their founded date and history. Joseph507357 ( talk) 07:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
I want to point out that someone using an anonymous address made a number of changes today, including deleting the citation to the article about the NHL Board of Governors approving an expansion team in Utah, and then left the following non-displaying comment that strongly smacks of the same sorts of comments we’ve seen here on the talk page from a registered user. I don’t know anything about investigating sockpuppets and I have no way of proving that this user is one, but I certainly find it suspicious in view of the first sentence and the final four words at the end. Here's the non-displaying comment: "Stop changing my edits. There was no expansion draft. It was a relocation, and every player and staff member was sent to Salt Lake City. It literally said in lieu of an expansion draft there wasn’t one stop changing my edits." (I reverted all three of this individual's edits as vandalism.) 1995hoo ( talk) 21:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Please remember to tag redirects that you create per WP:REDCAT.
voorts ( talk/ contributions) 23:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
IIRC, the current page title "Utah NHL team" is currently our placeholder name. Since it looks like the team will eventually start the 2024-25 season with its own official placeholder name, whether it remains "Utah NHL team", "NHL Utah" (in the current style of the PWHL teams), or something else, we will have to follow suit. Zzyzx11 ( talk) 00:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
It says the official website of the Utah NHL Team is nhlinutah.com, but that's not it. It's just a website launched by the SEG group. I believe that the NHL might make a website for the team, so this website is not true. It's just something about placing ticket "season deposits", and other stuff. The website is not correct, and I think they might make a website for this team at the beginning of the 2024-25 season. 65.130.154.63 ( talk) 01:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
This is the name the team will use for their inaugural season
https://x.com/utahhockeyclub/status/1801358418726502911 PrisonedMuffin ( talk) 21:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
https://apnews.com/article/utah-hockey-club-83d8a28225ac391c6ded4dea32049e4a?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share UtahJazzFan1 ( talk) 20:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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On external links: official website, it says it's nhlinutah.com, but it's now nhl.com/utah. I'd like to edit this to fix that issue. Since the official identity for the Utah Hockey Club for the 2024-25 season was released ( https://www.hjnews.com/tremonton/utah-hockey-club-will-be-the-name-of-the-nhl-team-in-salt-lake-city/article_5c945a00-2cce-11ef-a924-a7b7408dff1c.html) the nhl.com/utah website has been up. So, if we fix the Official Website on External Links, it'd help a lot. UtahJazzFan1 ( talk) 20:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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So, the Arizona Coyotes are basically confirmed going to Utah, But when should this page get moved Wednesday or Thursday? CollegeFootball25 ( talk) 09:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Since the Coyotes are getting the old Cleveland Browns treatment, should we say that they are a new team in their history? KENGRIFFEY24FAN ( talk) 23:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Since the NHL has declared the Utah team to be an expansion franchise & thus not the Coyotes relocated. I presume when a captain is named, he'll not be considered a successor to Oliver Ekman-Larsson. GoodDay ( talk) 14:35, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material.
In the "acquired" section of the roster template, should all the dates be changed to 2024? I think so because since it's technically not a relocation, so when they joined the Coyotes doesn't matter. XR228 ( talk) 01:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
I noted the edits by User:Sbaio and User:Wracking regarding the first sentence: "The Utah NHL team are ..." versus "The Utah NHL team is ...," respectively. I agree with Wracking that it should be "is" and I just want to weigh in with some thoughts on the issue. The Wikipedia page (which Sbaio cited in an edit summary) discussing American and British English in this sort of situation notes as follows (footnote jumps and "defined term" omitted): "In American English, collective nouns are almost always singular in construction: the committee was unable to agree. However, when a speaker wishes to emphasize that the individuals are acting separately, a plural pronoun may be employed with a singular or plural verb: the team takes their seats, rather than the team takes its seats. Such a sentence would most likely be recast as the team members take their seats. With exceptions such as usage in The New York Times, the names of sports teams are usually treated as plurals even if the form of the name is singular." (The Washington Post slavishly and absurdly follows the Times on that issue as well.) I think two principles apply here. First, there's no question the sentence in this article is not referring to individuals acting separately. It's referring to the team as an organization. Second, "Utah NHL team" in this context is not being used as a formal team name in the manner of "Washington Capitals" or "Washington Redskins"—it's a placeholder being used until the ownership group selects a new name (I have jokingly said it should be "Utah Youths" in reference to the "Two Utes" scene in My Cousin Vinny). While it's not controlling here, there was an RfC a few years ago with regard to the ridiculous temporary name "Washington Football Team," specifically whether to treat it as singular or plural. I had voted for plural there under the principle that it was being used as the formal team name during that period, and I note the words "Football Team" were both universally capitalized when referring to it. In the years since then I've come around to agreeing with the principle that it's more of a generic placeholder ("merely descriptive," to borrow a term from trademark law), and in the Utah hockey team context I think the use of the form "NHL team," capitalized as such, is a considerably more generic term than "Washington Football Team" (capitalized as such and not referring to the NFL). 1995hoo ( talk) 20:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
This needs to be discussed again, because the team will officially use the "Utah Hockey Club" name for the 2024–25 season so it is not a placeholder name like "Utah NHL team". It is the same situation as "Washington Football Team". I tried changing it from "is" to "are", but a certain editor thinks edit warring is better than discussing. – sbaio 05:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Utah's NHL franchise has developed theiris an example of using singular their. (To be honest, "its" would be a better fit as a possessive pronoun to replace "franchise".) As a matter of writing style, though, note English Wikipedia is free to adopt a specific convention that it applies generally, rather than reach different conclusions on a team-by-team basis. isaacl ( talk) 16:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Now obviously this upcoming season will have no name, but afterwards do we add the name back to that season or treat it like the Washington Commanders when they transitioned from Redskins? (i.e. 2020 and 2021 are listed as Washington Football Team and do not have Commanders added back to them) 47.153.148.108 ( talk) 20:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
It's literally the same Arizona franchise. It's not a new team. The league isn't expanding. A team is moving. Every other page for a team that has moved keeps their founded date and history. Joseph507357 ( talk) 07:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
I want to point out that someone using an anonymous address made a number of changes today, including deleting the citation to the article about the NHL Board of Governors approving an expansion team in Utah, and then left the following non-displaying comment that strongly smacks of the same sorts of comments we’ve seen here on the talk page from a registered user. I don’t know anything about investigating sockpuppets and I have no way of proving that this user is one, but I certainly find it suspicious in view of the first sentence and the final four words at the end. Here's the non-displaying comment: "Stop changing my edits. There was no expansion draft. It was a relocation, and every player and staff member was sent to Salt Lake City. It literally said in lieu of an expansion draft there wasn’t one stop changing my edits." (I reverted all three of this individual's edits as vandalism.) 1995hoo ( talk) 21:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Please remember to tag redirects that you create per WP:REDCAT.
voorts ( talk/ contributions) 23:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
IIRC, the current page title "Utah NHL team" is currently our placeholder name. Since it looks like the team will eventually start the 2024-25 season with its own official placeholder name, whether it remains "Utah NHL team", "NHL Utah" (in the current style of the PWHL teams), or something else, we will have to follow suit. Zzyzx11 ( talk) 00:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
It says the official website of the Utah NHL Team is nhlinutah.com, but that's not it. It's just a website launched by the SEG group. I believe that the NHL might make a website for the team, so this website is not true. It's just something about placing ticket "season deposits", and other stuff. The website is not correct, and I think they might make a website for this team at the beginning of the 2024-25 season. 65.130.154.63 ( talk) 01:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
This is the name the team will use for their inaugural season
https://x.com/utahhockeyclub/status/1801358418726502911 PrisonedMuffin ( talk) 21:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
https://apnews.com/article/utah-hockey-club-83d8a28225ac391c6ded4dea32049e4a?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share UtahJazzFan1 ( talk) 20:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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On external links: official website, it says it's nhlinutah.com, but it's now nhl.com/utah. I'd like to edit this to fix that issue. Since the official identity for the Utah Hockey Club for the 2024-25 season was released ( https://www.hjnews.com/tremonton/utah-hockey-club-will-be-the-name-of-the-nhl-team-in-salt-lake-city/article_5c945a00-2cce-11ef-a924-a7b7408dff1c.html) the nhl.com/utah website has been up. So, if we fix the Official Website on External Links, it'd help a lot. UtahJazzFan1 ( talk) 20:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)