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Under the Etymology section it, though with no reference, clearly asseverates that the city is per se a Sumerian in origin since its name contains a part, namely "Ur-". Even if one could take such an etymology for granted, no body could ever relate the city or its founding fathers to any Sumerian at all. Because as far as the hard evidences from archaeological surveys confirm, the city has nothing to do with Sumerians in origin. Such a claim, namely Urmia being originally Sumerian, just reminds me of Pan Turkish craps pretending many various civilizations (from Parthians to Sumerians) to be Turkish, whilst providing nothing outside of whimisical notions instead of scientific material. For more information about the origin of the city please check up The Bronze Age of Iran and The Iron Age of Iran both written by the Iranian archaeologist Dr. Hassan Talai. The Urmia Pottery Tradition, for instance, is absolutely unique and distinguishable from lets say that of typically Sumerian areas.
By the way for the seemingly ever-devastating racial conflicts, which are unfortunately very common within Middle East, I can tell that if I'm not mistaken some 5 years ago after a secterian quarrel, particularly between Shiite Azeris and Sunnite Kurds, in a highschool which resulted in a murder; the authorities ran a census amongst Muslim students within the urban area and allegedely the results gave 55% sunnites and 45% shiites. I unfortunately cannot provide any data on this since its result was secret and I just relate the hearsay. From my personal experience I always hold that the city is a little bit mostly populated by Azeris while regarding to the county, including the surrounding rural areas, the Kurdish populace outnumbers that of Azeri. Although in the recent years many Kurdish individuals have headed all the way to the urban areas and thus you may feel the Kurdish tone of the city more and more.-- Kak Language — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.38.13.151 ( talk) 10:52, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
As long as I know majority of the population in Urmia are Azeri. The name of the province, West Azerbaijan, shows this fact. I don't know why the person who provided the content insist to show that the Kurds are majority. I believe we should provide accurate information instead of insisting on opinions without any proof.
The Name Westazerbaijan is given to this Region after the fall of the republic Mahabad it is nothing more than a political Term rather having to do with Azeris. the Big Majority of so called Westazerbaijan is kurdish this is a fact never heared about Azeris in Mahabad. Simar-- 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 03:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 03:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I do not deny existance of Kurds in Urmia but I am 100% sure that the majority of the population are Azeri Turks. And Turks and Kurds live peacefully in the West Azerbaijan Province.
Thank you.
I don´t know what you mean with Anti-Muslim Assyrians. However here read it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Mahabad I don´t deny that Urmiye isa mixed city between Azeris and Kurds but the Kurds make the majority in Urmiye and definitly the majority in so called "Westazerbaijan.Simar-- 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 03:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 03:29, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
You think your turkish is better than me!!! ok, ok... then I should explain some thing about kurdish accent, if a kurd wants to pronaunce the word Saggiz, he says saggez, and saggiz means EIGHT.
LOL LOL LOL is here someone trying to tell us that the City Saqqez(in Persian), Sêwiye (in Kurdish) which Name comes from the Skythian Dynasty, whom called themself Saka and where Kurds make the majority is actually Azerbaijanian because saqqiz means eight in turkish???? between I also speak turkish sekiz is the word for eight not saqqiz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 03:32, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I didn't ignore your rights too, I have kurd friends and I respect their cultural and political rights, but you shouldn't be so extermist.
Ignoring Turk population of W.Az. doesn't help you.
In your last edit on Urmia you give this data: turks 50%, kurds 50% and 40% christian. we know that most of christians of urmia are armenians not turks nor kurds....then urmia is 140% !!!!!!
Migrants have rights as well as original settelers, but they can't change the history. in most of your articles , you claimed that W.Az cities are originally kurdish!!!
changing the facts ....Does it work? I don't think so.
what happens if kurds establish their own country? 1-Economy of kurdistan will be worse. United Iran has oil and more, but kuristan is a province with no significant mines and oil production or factories or Farmlands.
But why kurdistan economy is poor? the central government does not like to develop factories in kurdistan because of several crisis and wars happened in this area.
Please note that: All iran ppl are in poor condition. ok, there is significant difference between Isfahan and sanandaj, but kurds are not innocent in this progress. Most of them have strong desire to establish their own state, then kurdistan is an unstable area for economy.
Please send your answers to my own talk page, if you want to discuss more. -- Dr.Hamed 22:50, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer.
Thank You
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I would like to know why the category Assyria is allowed while category Kurdistan is being removed? Is there exact boundaries for Assyria? As far as I remember that's the main reason given for removing the Kurdistan category. Heja Helweda 22:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Some 15 years ago Urmia in Iran was a half-Kurdish, half-Azeri town. Now it is almost totally Kurdish [1]. Heja Helweda 00:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Presently in and around Uromiyeh over 90% of the population is Azeri, followed by a large Kurdish community, and smaller Armenian, Assyrian and Persian communities. 1 A more neutral source.
As im living in this city i see and i know that azeris are more than kurds as everybody knows urmia called azerbaijan so it wont be kurd's city and population of azeri people is more than kurds Hojjat-yousefi ( talk) 10:40, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
I am utterly impressed and even more appaled by the fact those who claim to stand for the promotion and protection of Iranian values constantly pursue an anti-Aryan/Iranic/Kurdish policy in editing posts. Now it is an obvious and inevitable fact that Kurds comprise half if not the majority of the city of Urmia, yet this continues/un-ending pursuet to turn this city-on the net-into a "90% Turkic habitat". This is beyond academic honest/integrity and is thus a disgrace to the field of anthropology. What is amusing/tragicomic is that those who explicitly declare themselves to be Zoroastrians are doing their best to promote this city as Turkic and even Semitic without emphasising the grandiose population of Kurds(the true descendents of the Aryan tribes-the real Iranians). Shame upon you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.175.162 ( talk • contribs)
In the district (shahrestan) Orumiyeh, virtually all the villages are Kurdish. But the city itself at least in the last 80 year was more Azeri speaking. But since the city has grown and incorporated many of the surrounding towns and villages which are virually all Kurdish, it seems that it is hard to tell. Specially the migrations from many villages in to the towns have been significant all across Iran and Umria is no expection. The majority of villages in West Azarbaijan are indeed Kurdish, but the town Urmia historically was more Azeri. Also The Kurdish birth-rate is much higher and this has also lead the city/province to seem perhaps majority Kurdish. Although it must be emphasized that many Kurds also speak Azeri Turkish as well as Persian. So actual statistics are hard to come by for now.
-- Ali doostzadeh 06:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
we know that urmia is an ethnically diverse city, But the majority of Urmia ppl r ethnically Azeris. I had replaced incorrect data which have no reliable reference with the correct data with cited refrences. but Mr or miss 69....(teh ip address) removed them all and wants me to explan here!!!
It's strange that he or she accepts the incorrect and uncited information as a base and does not pay attention to refrences.
Though I want to explain the problem more here:
Any one who visited Urmia knows that the majority of this city are azeri ppl. Urmia is capital of West Azerbaijan province, and the name "azerbaijan" can help u finding the truth out.
The only cited refrence which claims that "majority in urmia is now kurds" is Yuri Nabiev's article about kurds.this article is not about urmia. Nabiev only noted in a sentece that Urmia is almost totally kurdish now. Nabiev's article cannot be reliable by itself due to his ethnicity (he is a kurd originally) and u can see he's nationalist tendency in his site http://www.kurdistan.ru/ I don't mean he is not right because he is a kurd, but I think an article by a kurd is not sufficient to prove that kurds make the majority of Urmia. If u visit the city or visit other refrences (search them in www) u can simply find out the truth.
Here are some refrences that say 90% of Urmia ppl r Azeris:
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/orumiyeh.htm http://www.travel-images.com/az-uromiyeh.html http://www.irantravelingcenter.com/orumieh_rezaieh.htm.
you know Urmia,orumieh and orumiyeh are the same.-- Dr.Hamed 12:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Also , Parviz Fattah (an example for urmia ppl) is an azeri and it's another reason
Dear Hamed, You said "the name "azerbaijan" can help u finding the truth out". Alas, this is a very absurd and illogical remark, for the name "azarbaijan" is a non-Turkic name that can be traced back to pagan times in ancient Persia. As for the sources you provided, they are old and hence not credible. It is the overall view that the majority of the inhabitants of the West Azerbaijan province are now Kurds. I would like to refer you to Ali Doostzadeh's aforementioned scribbles wherein he quite skillfully elaborated on the current demographics of the city. Until you come up with an up-to-date and credible source of information, I will have to resort to utilising the previous content. Also, the fact that you declare yourself to be an Azari puts you in a biased position.
PS, What in the world prompted you to delete the content about the Assyrian and Armenian inhabitants of the city? This is deemed vandalism and will not be tolerated here.
Shahram12 17:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Dear shahram
I'll forget about all my refrences, if You provide me some reliable refrences (except Nabiev's article) which says Urmia is almost TOTALLY KURDISH NOW. you are in canada, far away urmia, but I'm here and I touch the fact. kurd population in this city is growing up but urmia is azeri populated city yet
Dear Hamed,
Let me assure you that despite my presence in Canada, I have quite an extensive knowledge about the city of Urmia, as can be implied by my previous contributions (the educational institutions, museums, hotels, etc.). Let me also add that I did not provide the link of Nabiev's essay. I only contributed by making some grammatical/spelling changes to make the overall Urmia-article look more academic. Frankly, the arguements made by both sides(Kurds and Azeris) seem unrealistic. No ethnicity constitutes more than 90% of the city.
The problem is that both Kurdish and Azeri nationalists seem to have turned Wikipedia into a battle ground by altering the facts to their own political/ideological purposes. But this goes against academic honesty. The other problem is that the Iranian Government does not seem to publish census results based on ethnicities. Hence, we are not in a position to make reliable assertions about the demographics of the city. And I, for one, cannot change the information in order to make one party content.
Nonetheless, I agree that Nabiev's article may be biased. If there's concensus we may have to remove that. Shahram12
Nothing but a Joke!
kurds are majority in urmia?!! are you joking? i live in tabriz but i travel alot to urmia and khoy(xoy), because im studing in khoy azad university where i have friends from qoshachay(miandoab) and dash maki too.kurds live in rural parts of urmia and everyone, even in sanandaj knows that azeris are in majority in urmia but kurdish nationalists likes to live in their dreams however, plus u can hardly find any kurd in xoy.maybe these kurd nationalists should see khordad protests in urmia. i doubt any of these kurds even have been to urmia, they just look at democrat party's maps and think everyone in urmia is kurd.
Hello dears.I live in Urmia.this city is ethically dicerse but Azeris are majority.Kurds and Armenians and Assyrians are minority.Please check this in this pagehttps://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_ethnic_composition_of_the_population_of_West_Azerbaijan_Province.PNG#mw-jump-to-license Aryann2656Doc ( talk) 12:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I am from Urmia and I like kurdish people.But please write the facts. I invite you to Urmia and to see the facts.
The dominant language of the city is Azerbaijani (turkish) because other groups speak it at their communication with other people of the city.
I've reverted your edits because you removed a source and generally left the article with multiple grammar mistakes. Please don't remove sources in the future unless you can disprove their authenticity.
Do have any credible sources to back your claims about Azerbaijani being the dominant language? -- 334 12:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
also there was a research 6 years ago (2001) showed that the 85% of the samples were azeris(turks).
Offcourse today the population of kurds is increased.there is not a new research about the population of the city, but I think any new researches may show the 25%-30% for kurds with including the country(nearby places)and villages.
We do not need to prove a subject or thing that is very clear and Urmia is one of them, please do not write biased about Urmia`s population and people if you have not been in Urmia or have not seen that. -- Siavash515 10:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Siavash, please don't move your edit to the top of the page. New topics are placed at the bottom of a talk page. Also, your claim that you've been to Urmia is no relevance as Wikipedia has a policy of no original research. If there was a census taken that showed 85% of the population were Azeri, show it. -- 334 14:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I prepared my reference.(منبع: فرهنگ جغرافیایی شهرستانهای کشور شهرستان ارومیه، انتشارات سازمان جغرافیایی نیروهای مسلح، تهران ۱۳۷۹ ص۲۳۹). This is the only research on Urmia`s groups.all other articles are unreliable because they are only estimations. -- Siavash515 07:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I know that you want to show Urmia more kurdish and I know that you never been in Urmia,I recommend you to call a kurd in Urmia and ask him about the facts because the facts are very clear and we do not need discussion.
I deleted data from nabiev's article-urmia is totally kurdish now- because its fact and neutrality is disputed. (Nabiev is kurd, and we have many references indicating that majority of urmia people are azeris( http://lexicorient.com/e.o/orumiyeh.htm http://www.travel-images.com/az-uromiyeh.html http://www.irantravelingcenter.com/orumieh_rezaieh.htm) But I will not write anything about azeri dominance avoiding edit-wars.
I've switched on semi-protection for this page. There is uncertainty among users about the ethnic makeup of Urmia and this is spiralling into an edit war. Many of those involved are annonymous users or those with newly created accounts. These users seem to have no regard for Wikipedia policy, neutrality or the overall aims of this project, but simply wish to represent their views to the exclusion of others here. Semi-protection stops these users from editing the article. My hope is that a few days of semi-protection will calm things down here, allow us to discuss the points that have been raised and include good points in this article. I also hope that those who are simply trying to disrupt the project will get bored and move off. — Gareth Hughes 12:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
The word kurds is prior to azeris every where in people`s subject change their places in some places for justice.
add other spellings of urmia in main page like: Orumieh,Orumyeh,Orumiyeh,orumieh,ormieh,ormia... because people use them in their searches. -- Siavash515 07:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
There are eleventy billion variations in the spelling of "Urmia". The one used already is by far the most common. It's really unnecessary to have all the variations on the article page; just have them be redirects. -- 334 14:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
the reason is mentioned in previous section by other user.
If we have the other spellings of urmia be redirects can people find this page in their searches? if your answer is no we have to add popular spellings to main page. -- Siavash515 06:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Why would people use "search" first before "go"? Besides, if they use search, the top of the page will say "You searched for Orumieh", then when Orumieh is clicked, it will take you to Urmia. Really, it's just taking an extra unnecessary step. -- 334 13:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
On official Iranian documents like passports the Romanian name is spelled as "Oroumiyeh". Although other names are used in publications, the official one is Oroumiyeh and I think we should stick to the official one. 90.181.66.134 ( talk) 20:25, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
There has been no census on ethnicity bases in Iran in recent decades, so all the refrences for who is got the number is baseless realy. Mehrdad 19:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
All right everybody, just take a moment to think how silly it is to revert the text that basically says the same thing just in different order ("Kurdish and Azeri" vs. "Azeri and kurdish"). This is really childish! Arash the Bowman 13:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
It should just be alphabetical, therefore, Azeri before Kurd. In the opening line, the non-English names are arranged alphabetically (Persian is first since it's in Iran). -- 334 22:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Please do not insert POV and OR in the article. Also, saying that Kurds are rich because they are active in illegal smuggling is kind of racist. Hajji Piruz 23:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Urmíe can hardly have a population of 90% Azeri, I mean come on this can't be serious. We just don't know how many percent are azeris, kurds or christian but 90% azeri is just ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.211.101.249 ( talk) 23:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I have heard from local people that 90% is high. However, unless we have no reference we cann't change the current number which is sourced. If you bring a reliable reference. We will change it-- Larno Man ( talk) 02:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
This sentence is meanless:
"Urmia is now concidered as a part of Eastern Kurdistan and is a very important city to the Kurds".
Who did this division? All cities are important to people who live in them. This city could be supposed to be a part of south Azerbaijan, West Turkey and... . so I don't see any writing this meanless sentence just in the introduction part of city, please remove it!
There is an association in the United States that is called the University Risk Management and Insurance Association or URMIA for short. Is it possible to get a link to URMIA from the Urmia page so that should anyone look us up using URMIA, there will at least be a link to our page? URMIA will do the same I'm sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Birtanish ( talk • contribs) 17:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
My mother and father were Assyrians. My mother's village was Urmia. They told us they fled from invading Kurds and were married quickly before saying a final farewell to my mom's dad and my father's mother, became refugees traveling on foot and horseback. The Catholics helped them. Eventually they boarded a ship in India, traveled to (I think) Japan, to Angel Island in San Francisco, CA. and settled in the Central Valley of California, USA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.234.123.214 ( talk) 17:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
The second part of the following claim (about the Russian author) in the text of the article is to be doubted: The "Provincial Geographical Dictionary of Iran" (Teheran, 2001).[9] provides a figure of 85.7% for the Azeris and 10.5% for the Kurds in the city today. Allegedly a Russian author would have called these findings "ludicrous".[10] 10.^ S.I. Bruk, Narody Peredney Azii (1960); S.I. Bruk, and V. S. Apenchenko, Atlas Narodov Mira (Moscow: Academy of Science, 1964); A. Gabriel, Religionsgeographie von Persien (Vienna, 1971).
The claim cites reference 10 as its sources, but the 3 books listed are 40 to 50 years out of date; there is no way this "Russian author" (which is actually cited as 3 different people) could call a 2001 study of the region "ludicrous" in a book from 50 years ago. I'm petitioning someone with the appropriate priviliges to remove it.
This claim is also out of place: There are claims by Kurdish nationalists that there would be no trustworthy statistics on the ethnic composition of the city or "all that is available are just estimates, and often not so educated."[13]13.^ http://looklex.com/e.o/orumiyeh.htm
There is nothing listed in reference 13 that would imply this. This claim seems to be fabricated and a reference cited in order to legitimize it.
Also, reference 11 (columbia online encyclopedia) is not yet linked but can be linked to as:
http://www.questia.com/library/encyclopedia/urmia.jsp —Preceding
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In history section it is claimed that " Eventually the city was reportedly sacked and destroyed by the Seljuk Turks in 1184." I find this assertion highly questionable. Because Seljuk Empire which was once master of Urmia was in ruins by 1184. An expert may clarify the issue. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 10:51, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello! I would just like to comment about the discussion about Urmia's Kurdish/Turkish/Chritian population. I agree that the majority of Urmia's population might be Turks (azeri), as mentioned in an article before, and of course and there are also Kurds and Christians there live side by side in a peaceful place. But one thing that makes me to think was that the majority of West Azebajiajn province seems to be Kurds, refering to the existence of The Republic of Mahabad 1945, were that place belonged to the Kurdistani Republic of Mahabaa, although there was another Azebaijani Republic in Tabriz at that time that had agreed to the Kurdistani republic Of Mahabad that Urmia will belong to them, with all human and cultural respect to the Azeris and Chritians, just the history mentioning of course. And of course Urmia is the city of brotherhood of Azeri, Kurds and Christians. And there was also deportion of Kurds by the irani goverment some 50 years ago, buting some million Kurds i the Khorasan province north of the persian city of Mashhad, and most of that Kurds were from the Urmia are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.151.43.53 ( talk) 10:25, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
first of all, I think both Turks and Kurds should accept each other as their neighbor/friend/citizen/... and this should be the base of any helpful discussion. any other assumption will be nonsense and I think won't lead to an helpful discussion. As a foreign spectator (which may not completely foreign but I'll try to be unbiased here however I'm a Kurd...) and may not with in depth spectrum of the subject, I can say something that in 70% of the cases two parts doesn't pay attention to the fact that you/we should accept some facts which one of the very primitive is the existence of both ppl/culture/language in the region. and second the modern (or even post-modern) way of thinking among men. We're living in totally different era, (just take glance to Europe or North America as an example...) people usually couldn't reach a compromise over mostly dialectic and usually fallacious discussions and reasonings. and each just express his/her thoughts without any burnish or let to be polished by some criticism. isolate mono-logs with their one-sided and totally biased followers....
Pay attention that this is independent of the Past or history. whatever the history be this city is mainly Turkish city.
another thing is the battle of names. there are many alternative names for cities in any language {don't make justification, plz}, but you can't just judge over these fact. actually the name separately can not be the base for preferring or making a conclusion in history e.g. the name of Tabriz isn't turkish but their people are. or the name of Kermanshah (my hometown) was being called qarra-may-seen {a turkish name} but there is no historian to claim Turkish identity of the city. also there is a river in the city very much alike "Shahr-Chay" which is called "Qarra-Soo" {another Turkish name}....and blah blah ....
We'll live together, we're becoming more and more closer. I hope to have more peaceful,friendlier, and happier society then. S_MasterGeek —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.38.15.2 ( talk) 23:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
guys,please calm down,i'm half-breed kurd and half-breed turk(azeri),please don't be racist,urmia is a city of love,paris of middle east,please respect each other.we should accept that majority is azzeri,but kurd are 2nd or 3rd ethnic group in the region,for me,all these thing shows the weakness of these groups,that you come to here and change thing way you imagine they are,please don't troll the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamyarg ( talk • contribs) 02:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello Kamyarg, thanks for your writing. Honestly, my wife is herself from Ghorveh in Kurdistan where people are also mixed of Azari and Kurds. It's only Iranians from abroad (E.U and U.S.A) or foreigners that spread insults and destroy articles to win (what?) for their personnal cause. As for the demographic data, university in IRAN itself states that Azaris and Kurds are almost at the same proportion, even though I believe too that Azaris are slightly more numerous in this province. But who cares finally? The essential is that they live toghether and without problems. Sincerely yours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.74.140.242 ( talk) 06:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I made some corrections to "Etymology", "Parks and Touristy Centers", "Languge", and "Ethnography" section". I also added the Kurdish pronunciation of the city name, which was discriminately omitted, since Kurdish is spoken by a significant number of the citizens and there is no rationale to disregard it.--Kak_Language 21:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Please cite reliable data either from the UN or the Iranian government regarding local lingual diversities. A language is not the same as a dialect; the author demonstrates poor understanding of the English language and has produced a non-referenced opinionated political rant probably for personal political satisfaction. There are plenty of statistics out there that can be cited, all regarding the region. Please remember, Wikipedia guidelines state that if the country is a member of the UN, the countries own data must be used over tertiary sources. If the author fails to cite and provide a fair and partial non-opiniated writing regarding the local lingual demographics, the whole section will be removed or rewritten using data from the United Nations and the Iranian governments annual demographic datasheets. The Iranian languages section is a good start. -- 94.195.194.144 ( talk) 17:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Informations being added by DragonTiger23 is very misleading to say the least. To start with the "22 February" and "ruining the city" are mentioned in two different paragraphs but DragonTiger23 made a clear WP:SYNTH by combining them as to show that one resulted from the other. Back to 22 February 1918, the EOI is very vague on what happened on this day since it is all mentioned in a few words, literally: "massacre of the Muslims of Urmiya by the Christians on 22 February 1918", the EOI also gets a few other facts wrong such as the date of Mar Shimun's assassination. Those events are described in lengthy details in other more specialised books, including the ones I used, there they clearly state that the it was the Christian quarter that have been attacked in 18 February. [3] [4] [5] [6] As a matter of fact Urmia never witnessed a Muslim massacre, Kasravi's quote never mentions Urmia, this is made clear by other sources that elaborate more on the events following Mar Shimun's assassination stating that massacres and counter-massacres took place in Salmas and Khoi. [7] The section needs to remain as concise as possible not to give it undue weight, it doesn't make sense to have half the history section covering four years. Cherrypicking for sources to support a POV is not acceptable. The overwhelming majority of scholars describe the events generally as massacres against Christians, [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] genocide scholars haven't hesitated to call these massacres " Genocide".-- Kathovo talk 12:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
These were the sentences and sources which I added:
After the breakdown of the Russian authority in 1917 there were vengeance attacks by Christians on Muslims, Muslims crowded onto the Russian consulate's grounds for safety.
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The Russian Refugee Council implored the Russian army to adopt "extreme measures for the cessation of the violence perpetrated by Christians against the Muslim population". [2] Online
On February 22 1918 the Muslim population was massacred by the Assyrians, after the war the city was ruined and depopulated.
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The original sentence was this: "After a series of tragic and bloody events (Massacre of the Muslims of Urmiya by the Christians on Feb. 22, 1918, the assasination of patriarch Mar Shimun by followers of the Kurd chief Simko on Feb. 25, the arrival of 20,000 Armenian refugees from Wan, fights between Assyrians and Turks), all the Assyrian population collected in the plain of Urmiya and to the number of 50-70,000 set out for the south to put themselves under British protection. .........The peace found Urmiya in ruins and depopulated.
Ahmad Kasravi wrote in his book (The 18 Year History of Azarbaijan) that 10,000 Muslims were killed. [4] Online DragonTiger23 ( talk) 20:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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Britannica clearly declares Turks as the majority and other ethnicities as minorities. Please refrain from manipulating such a WP:RS with such a weak source as askdefine! What is this website? -- ,dgjdksvc;jknhg ( talk) 15:37, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Urmia is predominantly Azeri. please this sources;→ [17]--thanks 188.245.11.168 ( talk) 18:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
http://www.lesley.edu/uploadedImages/Pub/Journals/Media/figure-2.jpg?n=7245 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahdi habib ( talk • contribs) 10:02, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
All Iranian passports I've seen have 'oroumieh' as english place of birth. The same goes with offical translations done through registered english translators. Wikipedia won't let me upload a scan of my passport for unknown reasons. But I can send photo if required I suggest this spelling to be mentioned on top of the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Braim ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Hello:
I am trying to find out information on the Jewish Cemetery remaining in Urmia. It is my understanding since the 1950's there are no jews remaining (most left in the 1920's), but one muslim family were kind enough to become caretakers of the cemetery. A few questions.
Does anyone know the name of the cemetery?
Is there are a street address or intersection for it?
Does anyone know who the caretakers are?
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What about the jews that were there? א. א. אינסטלציה ( talk) 18:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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Please ADD this in the climate section:
Being on the downwind and rain shadow side of the Zagros mountains, its winters are relatively drier and less snowier than Hakkari's (to the west) in southeastern Turkey due to the foehn effect. [1] 106.69.133.6 ( talk) 05:44, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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In the previous edits which got reverted, I added the name of the city in the Turkish dialects found in Turkey, because I found it noteworthy. The article I used as source is mainly about a type of mulberry found in the region of Maraş, Gaziantep, Adıyaman called "Urmu tutu" and where it actually comes from. Relevance is not clearly stated in Wikipedia policies as far as I know and is left to users to determine. I am not adding the name of the city used by a tribe from Papua and New Guinea but from a community that interacted with the city at least through trade and is just a few kilometers away. I'm also willing to reframe this information, so that the information is combined with the prevalence of mulberries in the region and its economic aspect. Otherwise, the page will be prevented from getting expanded. Ayıntaplı ( talk) 21:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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Urmia اورمو یا اورمیه Is absolutely and in nature is a turkic city. The so-called "Orumiyeh" is totally against historical heritage and ancient scholars which devotes this city to turks! 83.120.39.101 ( talk) 18:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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Under the Etymology section it, though with no reference, clearly asseverates that the city is per se a Sumerian in origin since its name contains a part, namely "Ur-". Even if one could take such an etymology for granted, no body could ever relate the city or its founding fathers to any Sumerian at all. Because as far as the hard evidences from archaeological surveys confirm, the city has nothing to do with Sumerians in origin. Such a claim, namely Urmia being originally Sumerian, just reminds me of Pan Turkish craps pretending many various civilizations (from Parthians to Sumerians) to be Turkish, whilst providing nothing outside of whimisical notions instead of scientific material. For more information about the origin of the city please check up The Bronze Age of Iran and The Iron Age of Iran both written by the Iranian archaeologist Dr. Hassan Talai. The Urmia Pottery Tradition, for instance, is absolutely unique and distinguishable from lets say that of typically Sumerian areas.
By the way for the seemingly ever-devastating racial conflicts, which are unfortunately very common within Middle East, I can tell that if I'm not mistaken some 5 years ago after a secterian quarrel, particularly between Shiite Azeris and Sunnite Kurds, in a highschool which resulted in a murder; the authorities ran a census amongst Muslim students within the urban area and allegedely the results gave 55% sunnites and 45% shiites. I unfortunately cannot provide any data on this since its result was secret and I just relate the hearsay. From my personal experience I always hold that the city is a little bit mostly populated by Azeris while regarding to the county, including the surrounding rural areas, the Kurdish populace outnumbers that of Azeri. Although in the recent years many Kurdish individuals have headed all the way to the urban areas and thus you may feel the Kurdish tone of the city more and more.-- Kak Language — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.38.13.151 ( talk) 10:52, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
As long as I know majority of the population in Urmia are Azeri. The name of the province, West Azerbaijan, shows this fact. I don't know why the person who provided the content insist to show that the Kurds are majority. I believe we should provide accurate information instead of insisting on opinions without any proof.
The Name Westazerbaijan is given to this Region after the fall of the republic Mahabad it is nothing more than a political Term rather having to do with Azeris. the Big Majority of so called Westazerbaijan is kurdish this is a fact never heared about Azeris in Mahabad. Simar-- 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 03:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 03:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I do not deny existance of Kurds in Urmia but I am 100% sure that the majority of the population are Azeri Turks. And Turks and Kurds live peacefully in the West Azerbaijan Province.
Thank you.
I don´t know what you mean with Anti-Muslim Assyrians. However here read it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Mahabad I don´t deny that Urmiye isa mixed city between Azeris and Kurds but the Kurds make the majority in Urmiye and definitly the majority in so called "Westazerbaijan.Simar-- 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 03:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 03:29, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
You think your turkish is better than me!!! ok, ok... then I should explain some thing about kurdish accent, if a kurd wants to pronaunce the word Saggiz, he says saggez, and saggiz means EIGHT.
LOL LOL LOL is here someone trying to tell us that the City Saqqez(in Persian), Sêwiye (in Kurdish) which Name comes from the Skythian Dynasty, whom called themself Saka and where Kurds make the majority is actually Azerbaijanian because saqqiz means eight in turkish???? between I also speak turkish sekiz is the word for eight not saqqiz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.181.111 ( talk) 03:32, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I didn't ignore your rights too, I have kurd friends and I respect their cultural and political rights, but you shouldn't be so extermist.
Ignoring Turk population of W.Az. doesn't help you.
In your last edit on Urmia you give this data: turks 50%, kurds 50% and 40% christian. we know that most of christians of urmia are armenians not turks nor kurds....then urmia is 140% !!!!!!
Migrants have rights as well as original settelers, but they can't change the history. in most of your articles , you claimed that W.Az cities are originally kurdish!!!
changing the facts ....Does it work? I don't think so.
what happens if kurds establish their own country? 1-Economy of kurdistan will be worse. United Iran has oil and more, but kuristan is a province with no significant mines and oil production or factories or Farmlands.
But why kurdistan economy is poor? the central government does not like to develop factories in kurdistan because of several crisis and wars happened in this area.
Please note that: All iran ppl are in poor condition. ok, there is significant difference between Isfahan and sanandaj, but kurds are not innocent in this progress. Most of them have strong desire to establish their own state, then kurdistan is an unstable area for economy.
Please send your answers to my own talk page, if you want to discuss more. -- Dr.Hamed 22:50, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer.
Thank You
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I would like to know why the category Assyria is allowed while category Kurdistan is being removed? Is there exact boundaries for Assyria? As far as I remember that's the main reason given for removing the Kurdistan category. Heja Helweda 22:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Some 15 years ago Urmia in Iran was a half-Kurdish, half-Azeri town. Now it is almost totally Kurdish [1]. Heja Helweda 00:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Presently in and around Uromiyeh over 90% of the population is Azeri, followed by a large Kurdish community, and smaller Armenian, Assyrian and Persian communities. 1 A more neutral source.
As im living in this city i see and i know that azeris are more than kurds as everybody knows urmia called azerbaijan so it wont be kurd's city and population of azeri people is more than kurds Hojjat-yousefi ( talk) 10:40, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
I am utterly impressed and even more appaled by the fact those who claim to stand for the promotion and protection of Iranian values constantly pursue an anti-Aryan/Iranic/Kurdish policy in editing posts. Now it is an obvious and inevitable fact that Kurds comprise half if not the majority of the city of Urmia, yet this continues/un-ending pursuet to turn this city-on the net-into a "90% Turkic habitat". This is beyond academic honest/integrity and is thus a disgrace to the field of anthropology. What is amusing/tragicomic is that those who explicitly declare themselves to be Zoroastrians are doing their best to promote this city as Turkic and even Semitic without emphasising the grandiose population of Kurds(the true descendents of the Aryan tribes-the real Iranians). Shame upon you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.175.162 ( talk • contribs)
In the district (shahrestan) Orumiyeh, virtually all the villages are Kurdish. But the city itself at least in the last 80 year was more Azeri speaking. But since the city has grown and incorporated many of the surrounding towns and villages which are virually all Kurdish, it seems that it is hard to tell. Specially the migrations from many villages in to the towns have been significant all across Iran and Umria is no expection. The majority of villages in West Azarbaijan are indeed Kurdish, but the town Urmia historically was more Azeri. Also The Kurdish birth-rate is much higher and this has also lead the city/province to seem perhaps majority Kurdish. Although it must be emphasized that many Kurds also speak Azeri Turkish as well as Persian. So actual statistics are hard to come by for now.
-- Ali doostzadeh 06:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
we know that urmia is an ethnically diverse city, But the majority of Urmia ppl r ethnically Azeris. I had replaced incorrect data which have no reliable reference with the correct data with cited refrences. but Mr or miss 69....(teh ip address) removed them all and wants me to explan here!!!
It's strange that he or she accepts the incorrect and uncited information as a base and does not pay attention to refrences.
Though I want to explain the problem more here:
Any one who visited Urmia knows that the majority of this city are azeri ppl. Urmia is capital of West Azerbaijan province, and the name "azerbaijan" can help u finding the truth out.
The only cited refrence which claims that "majority in urmia is now kurds" is Yuri Nabiev's article about kurds.this article is not about urmia. Nabiev only noted in a sentece that Urmia is almost totally kurdish now. Nabiev's article cannot be reliable by itself due to his ethnicity (he is a kurd originally) and u can see he's nationalist tendency in his site http://www.kurdistan.ru/ I don't mean he is not right because he is a kurd, but I think an article by a kurd is not sufficient to prove that kurds make the majority of Urmia. If u visit the city or visit other refrences (search them in www) u can simply find out the truth.
Here are some refrences that say 90% of Urmia ppl r Azeris:
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/orumiyeh.htm http://www.travel-images.com/az-uromiyeh.html http://www.irantravelingcenter.com/orumieh_rezaieh.htm.
you know Urmia,orumieh and orumiyeh are the same.-- Dr.Hamed 12:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Also , Parviz Fattah (an example for urmia ppl) is an azeri and it's another reason
Dear Hamed, You said "the name "azerbaijan" can help u finding the truth out". Alas, this is a very absurd and illogical remark, for the name "azarbaijan" is a non-Turkic name that can be traced back to pagan times in ancient Persia. As for the sources you provided, they are old and hence not credible. It is the overall view that the majority of the inhabitants of the West Azerbaijan province are now Kurds. I would like to refer you to Ali Doostzadeh's aforementioned scribbles wherein he quite skillfully elaborated on the current demographics of the city. Until you come up with an up-to-date and credible source of information, I will have to resort to utilising the previous content. Also, the fact that you declare yourself to be an Azari puts you in a biased position.
PS, What in the world prompted you to delete the content about the Assyrian and Armenian inhabitants of the city? This is deemed vandalism and will not be tolerated here.
Shahram12 17:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Dear shahram
I'll forget about all my refrences, if You provide me some reliable refrences (except Nabiev's article) which says Urmia is almost TOTALLY KURDISH NOW. you are in canada, far away urmia, but I'm here and I touch the fact. kurd population in this city is growing up but urmia is azeri populated city yet
Dear Hamed,
Let me assure you that despite my presence in Canada, I have quite an extensive knowledge about the city of Urmia, as can be implied by my previous contributions (the educational institutions, museums, hotels, etc.). Let me also add that I did not provide the link of Nabiev's essay. I only contributed by making some grammatical/spelling changes to make the overall Urmia-article look more academic. Frankly, the arguements made by both sides(Kurds and Azeris) seem unrealistic. No ethnicity constitutes more than 90% of the city.
The problem is that both Kurdish and Azeri nationalists seem to have turned Wikipedia into a battle ground by altering the facts to their own political/ideological purposes. But this goes against academic honesty. The other problem is that the Iranian Government does not seem to publish census results based on ethnicities. Hence, we are not in a position to make reliable assertions about the demographics of the city. And I, for one, cannot change the information in order to make one party content.
Nonetheless, I agree that Nabiev's article may be biased. If there's concensus we may have to remove that. Shahram12
Nothing but a Joke!
kurds are majority in urmia?!! are you joking? i live in tabriz but i travel alot to urmia and khoy(xoy), because im studing in khoy azad university where i have friends from qoshachay(miandoab) and dash maki too.kurds live in rural parts of urmia and everyone, even in sanandaj knows that azeris are in majority in urmia but kurdish nationalists likes to live in their dreams however, plus u can hardly find any kurd in xoy.maybe these kurd nationalists should see khordad protests in urmia. i doubt any of these kurds even have been to urmia, they just look at democrat party's maps and think everyone in urmia is kurd.
Hello dears.I live in Urmia.this city is ethically dicerse but Azeris are majority.Kurds and Armenians and Assyrians are minority.Please check this in this pagehttps://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_ethnic_composition_of_the_population_of_West_Azerbaijan_Province.PNG#mw-jump-to-license Aryann2656Doc ( talk) 12:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I am from Urmia and I like kurdish people.But please write the facts. I invite you to Urmia and to see the facts.
The dominant language of the city is Azerbaijani (turkish) because other groups speak it at their communication with other people of the city.
I've reverted your edits because you removed a source and generally left the article with multiple grammar mistakes. Please don't remove sources in the future unless you can disprove their authenticity.
Do have any credible sources to back your claims about Azerbaijani being the dominant language? -- 334 12:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
also there was a research 6 years ago (2001) showed that the 85% of the samples were azeris(turks).
Offcourse today the population of kurds is increased.there is not a new research about the population of the city, but I think any new researches may show the 25%-30% for kurds with including the country(nearby places)and villages.
We do not need to prove a subject or thing that is very clear and Urmia is one of them, please do not write biased about Urmia`s population and people if you have not been in Urmia or have not seen that. -- Siavash515 10:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Siavash, please don't move your edit to the top of the page. New topics are placed at the bottom of a talk page. Also, your claim that you've been to Urmia is no relevance as Wikipedia has a policy of no original research. If there was a census taken that showed 85% of the population were Azeri, show it. -- 334 14:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I prepared my reference.(منبع: فرهنگ جغرافیایی شهرستانهای کشور شهرستان ارومیه، انتشارات سازمان جغرافیایی نیروهای مسلح، تهران ۱۳۷۹ ص۲۳۹). This is the only research on Urmia`s groups.all other articles are unreliable because they are only estimations. -- Siavash515 07:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I know that you want to show Urmia more kurdish and I know that you never been in Urmia,I recommend you to call a kurd in Urmia and ask him about the facts because the facts are very clear and we do not need discussion.
I deleted data from nabiev's article-urmia is totally kurdish now- because its fact and neutrality is disputed. (Nabiev is kurd, and we have many references indicating that majority of urmia people are azeris( http://lexicorient.com/e.o/orumiyeh.htm http://www.travel-images.com/az-uromiyeh.html http://www.irantravelingcenter.com/orumieh_rezaieh.htm) But I will not write anything about azeri dominance avoiding edit-wars.
I've switched on semi-protection for this page. There is uncertainty among users about the ethnic makeup of Urmia and this is spiralling into an edit war. Many of those involved are annonymous users or those with newly created accounts. These users seem to have no regard for Wikipedia policy, neutrality or the overall aims of this project, but simply wish to represent their views to the exclusion of others here. Semi-protection stops these users from editing the article. My hope is that a few days of semi-protection will calm things down here, allow us to discuss the points that have been raised and include good points in this article. I also hope that those who are simply trying to disrupt the project will get bored and move off. — Gareth Hughes 12:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
The word kurds is prior to azeris every where in people`s subject change their places in some places for justice.
add other spellings of urmia in main page like: Orumieh,Orumyeh,Orumiyeh,orumieh,ormieh,ormia... because people use them in their searches. -- Siavash515 07:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
There are eleventy billion variations in the spelling of "Urmia". The one used already is by far the most common. It's really unnecessary to have all the variations on the article page; just have them be redirects. -- 334 14:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
the reason is mentioned in previous section by other user.
If we have the other spellings of urmia be redirects can people find this page in their searches? if your answer is no we have to add popular spellings to main page. -- Siavash515 06:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Why would people use "search" first before "go"? Besides, if they use search, the top of the page will say "You searched for Orumieh", then when Orumieh is clicked, it will take you to Urmia. Really, it's just taking an extra unnecessary step. -- 334 13:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
On official Iranian documents like passports the Romanian name is spelled as "Oroumiyeh". Although other names are used in publications, the official one is Oroumiyeh and I think we should stick to the official one. 90.181.66.134 ( talk) 20:25, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
There has been no census on ethnicity bases in Iran in recent decades, so all the refrences for who is got the number is baseless realy. Mehrdad 19:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
All right everybody, just take a moment to think how silly it is to revert the text that basically says the same thing just in different order ("Kurdish and Azeri" vs. "Azeri and kurdish"). This is really childish! Arash the Bowman 13:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
It should just be alphabetical, therefore, Azeri before Kurd. In the opening line, the non-English names are arranged alphabetically (Persian is first since it's in Iran). -- 334 22:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Please do not insert POV and OR in the article. Also, saying that Kurds are rich because they are active in illegal smuggling is kind of racist. Hajji Piruz 23:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Urmíe can hardly have a population of 90% Azeri, I mean come on this can't be serious. We just don't know how many percent are azeris, kurds or christian but 90% azeri is just ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.211.101.249 ( talk) 23:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I have heard from local people that 90% is high. However, unless we have no reference we cann't change the current number which is sourced. If you bring a reliable reference. We will change it-- Larno Man ( talk) 02:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
This sentence is meanless:
"Urmia is now concidered as a part of Eastern Kurdistan and is a very important city to the Kurds".
Who did this division? All cities are important to people who live in them. This city could be supposed to be a part of south Azerbaijan, West Turkey and... . so I don't see any writing this meanless sentence just in the introduction part of city, please remove it!
There is an association in the United States that is called the University Risk Management and Insurance Association or URMIA for short. Is it possible to get a link to URMIA from the Urmia page so that should anyone look us up using URMIA, there will at least be a link to our page? URMIA will do the same I'm sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Birtanish ( talk • contribs) 17:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
My mother and father were Assyrians. My mother's village was Urmia. They told us they fled from invading Kurds and were married quickly before saying a final farewell to my mom's dad and my father's mother, became refugees traveling on foot and horseback. The Catholics helped them. Eventually they boarded a ship in India, traveled to (I think) Japan, to Angel Island in San Francisco, CA. and settled in the Central Valley of California, USA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.234.123.214 ( talk) 17:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
The second part of the following claim (about the Russian author) in the text of the article is to be doubted: The "Provincial Geographical Dictionary of Iran" (Teheran, 2001).[9] provides a figure of 85.7% for the Azeris and 10.5% for the Kurds in the city today. Allegedly a Russian author would have called these findings "ludicrous".[10] 10.^ S.I. Bruk, Narody Peredney Azii (1960); S.I. Bruk, and V. S. Apenchenko, Atlas Narodov Mira (Moscow: Academy of Science, 1964); A. Gabriel, Religionsgeographie von Persien (Vienna, 1971).
The claim cites reference 10 as its sources, but the 3 books listed are 40 to 50 years out of date; there is no way this "Russian author" (which is actually cited as 3 different people) could call a 2001 study of the region "ludicrous" in a book from 50 years ago. I'm petitioning someone with the appropriate priviliges to remove it.
This claim is also out of place: There are claims by Kurdish nationalists that there would be no trustworthy statistics on the ethnic composition of the city or "all that is available are just estimates, and often not so educated."[13]13.^ http://looklex.com/e.o/orumiyeh.htm
There is nothing listed in reference 13 that would imply this. This claim seems to be fabricated and a reference cited in order to legitimize it.
Also, reference 11 (columbia online encyclopedia) is not yet linked but can be linked to as:
http://www.questia.com/library/encyclopedia/urmia.jsp —Preceding
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In history section it is claimed that " Eventually the city was reportedly sacked and destroyed by the Seljuk Turks in 1184." I find this assertion highly questionable. Because Seljuk Empire which was once master of Urmia was in ruins by 1184. An expert may clarify the issue. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 10:51, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello! I would just like to comment about the discussion about Urmia's Kurdish/Turkish/Chritian population. I agree that the majority of Urmia's population might be Turks (azeri), as mentioned in an article before, and of course and there are also Kurds and Christians there live side by side in a peaceful place. But one thing that makes me to think was that the majority of West Azebajiajn province seems to be Kurds, refering to the existence of The Republic of Mahabad 1945, were that place belonged to the Kurdistani Republic of Mahabaa, although there was another Azebaijani Republic in Tabriz at that time that had agreed to the Kurdistani republic Of Mahabad that Urmia will belong to them, with all human and cultural respect to the Azeris and Chritians, just the history mentioning of course. And of course Urmia is the city of brotherhood of Azeri, Kurds and Christians. And there was also deportion of Kurds by the irani goverment some 50 years ago, buting some million Kurds i the Khorasan province north of the persian city of Mashhad, and most of that Kurds were from the Urmia are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.151.43.53 ( talk) 10:25, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
first of all, I think both Turks and Kurds should accept each other as their neighbor/friend/citizen/... and this should be the base of any helpful discussion. any other assumption will be nonsense and I think won't lead to an helpful discussion. As a foreign spectator (which may not completely foreign but I'll try to be unbiased here however I'm a Kurd...) and may not with in depth spectrum of the subject, I can say something that in 70% of the cases two parts doesn't pay attention to the fact that you/we should accept some facts which one of the very primitive is the existence of both ppl/culture/language in the region. and second the modern (or even post-modern) way of thinking among men. We're living in totally different era, (just take glance to Europe or North America as an example...) people usually couldn't reach a compromise over mostly dialectic and usually fallacious discussions and reasonings. and each just express his/her thoughts without any burnish or let to be polished by some criticism. isolate mono-logs with their one-sided and totally biased followers....
Pay attention that this is independent of the Past or history. whatever the history be this city is mainly Turkish city.
another thing is the battle of names. there are many alternative names for cities in any language {don't make justification, plz}, but you can't just judge over these fact. actually the name separately can not be the base for preferring or making a conclusion in history e.g. the name of Tabriz isn't turkish but their people are. or the name of Kermanshah (my hometown) was being called qarra-may-seen {a turkish name} but there is no historian to claim Turkish identity of the city. also there is a river in the city very much alike "Shahr-Chay" which is called "Qarra-Soo" {another Turkish name}....and blah blah ....
We'll live together, we're becoming more and more closer. I hope to have more peaceful,friendlier, and happier society then. S_MasterGeek —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.38.15.2 ( talk) 23:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
guys,please calm down,i'm half-breed kurd and half-breed turk(azeri),please don't be racist,urmia is a city of love,paris of middle east,please respect each other.we should accept that majority is azzeri,but kurd are 2nd or 3rd ethnic group in the region,for me,all these thing shows the weakness of these groups,that you come to here and change thing way you imagine they are,please don't troll the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamyarg ( talk • contribs) 02:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello Kamyarg, thanks for your writing. Honestly, my wife is herself from Ghorveh in Kurdistan where people are also mixed of Azari and Kurds. It's only Iranians from abroad (E.U and U.S.A) or foreigners that spread insults and destroy articles to win (what?) for their personnal cause. As for the demographic data, university in IRAN itself states that Azaris and Kurds are almost at the same proportion, even though I believe too that Azaris are slightly more numerous in this province. But who cares finally? The essential is that they live toghether and without problems. Sincerely yours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.74.140.242 ( talk) 06:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I made some corrections to "Etymology", "Parks and Touristy Centers", "Languge", and "Ethnography" section". I also added the Kurdish pronunciation of the city name, which was discriminately omitted, since Kurdish is spoken by a significant number of the citizens and there is no rationale to disregard it.--Kak_Language 21:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Please cite reliable data either from the UN or the Iranian government regarding local lingual diversities. A language is not the same as a dialect; the author demonstrates poor understanding of the English language and has produced a non-referenced opinionated political rant probably for personal political satisfaction. There are plenty of statistics out there that can be cited, all regarding the region. Please remember, Wikipedia guidelines state that if the country is a member of the UN, the countries own data must be used over tertiary sources. If the author fails to cite and provide a fair and partial non-opiniated writing regarding the local lingual demographics, the whole section will be removed or rewritten using data from the United Nations and the Iranian governments annual demographic datasheets. The Iranian languages section is a good start. -- 94.195.194.144 ( talk) 17:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Informations being added by DragonTiger23 is very misleading to say the least. To start with the "22 February" and "ruining the city" are mentioned in two different paragraphs but DragonTiger23 made a clear WP:SYNTH by combining them as to show that one resulted from the other. Back to 22 February 1918, the EOI is very vague on what happened on this day since it is all mentioned in a few words, literally: "massacre of the Muslims of Urmiya by the Christians on 22 February 1918", the EOI also gets a few other facts wrong such as the date of Mar Shimun's assassination. Those events are described in lengthy details in other more specialised books, including the ones I used, there they clearly state that the it was the Christian quarter that have been attacked in 18 February. [3] [4] [5] [6] As a matter of fact Urmia never witnessed a Muslim massacre, Kasravi's quote never mentions Urmia, this is made clear by other sources that elaborate more on the events following Mar Shimun's assassination stating that massacres and counter-massacres took place in Salmas and Khoi. [7] The section needs to remain as concise as possible not to give it undue weight, it doesn't make sense to have half the history section covering four years. Cherrypicking for sources to support a POV is not acceptable. The overwhelming majority of scholars describe the events generally as massacres against Christians, [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] genocide scholars haven't hesitated to call these massacres " Genocide".-- Kathovo talk 12:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
These were the sentences and sources which I added:
After the breakdown of the Russian authority in 1917 there were vengeance attacks by Christians on Muslims, Muslims crowded onto the Russian consulate's grounds for safety.
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The Russian Refugee Council implored the Russian army to adopt "extreme measures for the cessation of the violence perpetrated by Christians against the Muslim population". [2] Online
On February 22 1918 the Muslim population was massacred by the Assyrians, after the war the city was ruined and depopulated.
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The original sentence was this: "After a series of tragic and bloody events (Massacre of the Muslims of Urmiya by the Christians on Feb. 22, 1918, the assasination of patriarch Mar Shimun by followers of the Kurd chief Simko on Feb. 25, the arrival of 20,000 Armenian refugees from Wan, fights between Assyrians and Turks), all the Assyrian population collected in the plain of Urmiya and to the number of 50-70,000 set out for the south to put themselves under British protection. .........The peace found Urmiya in ruins and depopulated.
Ahmad Kasravi wrote in his book (The 18 Year History of Azarbaijan) that 10,000 Muslims were killed. [4] Online DragonTiger23 ( talk) 20:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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Britannica clearly declares Turks as the majority and other ethnicities as minorities. Please refrain from manipulating such a WP:RS with such a weak source as askdefine! What is this website? -- ,dgjdksvc;jknhg ( talk) 15:37, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Urmia is predominantly Azeri. please this sources;→ [17]--thanks 188.245.11.168 ( talk) 18:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
http://www.lesley.edu/uploadedImages/Pub/Journals/Media/figure-2.jpg?n=7245 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahdi habib ( talk • contribs) 10:02, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
All Iranian passports I've seen have 'oroumieh' as english place of birth. The same goes with offical translations done through registered english translators. Wikipedia won't let me upload a scan of my passport for unknown reasons. But I can send photo if required I suggest this spelling to be mentioned on top of the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Braim ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Hello:
I am trying to find out information on the Jewish Cemetery remaining in Urmia. It is my understanding since the 1950's there are no jews remaining (most left in the 1920's), but one muslim family were kind enough to become caretakers of the cemetery. A few questions.
Does anyone know the name of the cemetery?
Is there are a street address or intersection for it?
Does anyone know who the caretakers are?
Thank you — Preceding
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What about the jews that were there? א. א. אינסטלציה ( talk) 18:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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Please ADD this in the climate section:
Being on the downwind and rain shadow side of the Zagros mountains, its winters are relatively drier and less snowier than Hakkari's (to the west) in southeastern Turkey due to the foehn effect. [1] 106.69.133.6 ( talk) 05:44, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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In the previous edits which got reverted, I added the name of the city in the Turkish dialects found in Turkey, because I found it noteworthy. The article I used as source is mainly about a type of mulberry found in the region of Maraş, Gaziantep, Adıyaman called "Urmu tutu" and where it actually comes from. Relevance is not clearly stated in Wikipedia policies as far as I know and is left to users to determine. I am not adding the name of the city used by a tribe from Papua and New Guinea but from a community that interacted with the city at least through trade and is just a few kilometers away. I'm also willing to reframe this information, so that the information is combined with the prevalence of mulberries in the region and its economic aspect. Otherwise, the page will be prevented from getting expanded. Ayıntaplı ( talk) 21:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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Urmia اورمو یا اورمیه Is absolutely and in nature is a turkic city. The so-called "Orumiyeh" is totally against historical heritage and ancient scholars which devotes this city to turks! 83.120.39.101 ( talk) 18:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC)