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From: PRR Chronology 1904
Tunnels contract to O'Rourke Engineering Construction Company and East River Tunnels to S. Pearson & Son, Ltd. of London; John F. O'Rourke (1854-1934) has been Chief Engineer of Poughkeepsie Bridge. (AJC 32/20)
River between Jersey City and Morton Street; first tunnel under the Hudson; first tube of what later becomes uptown line of Hudson & Manhattan Railroad incorporates portion of Haskin's tunnel begun in 1870s; second tube, begun by S. Pearson & Sons in 1880s is sealed, as it cannot be connected to the flying junction being built on the New Jersey side; Charles M. Jacobs is first person to walk from shore to shore under the river. (H&M, Couper)
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Reviewer: Truflip99 ( talk · contribs) 21:38, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Let's do this.
Lead
andcross eastward under the Hudson River.
themnorthward to Grand Central Terminal, as well as creating a crosstown spur line that would have run under Ninth Street in Manhattan.
Description
travela roughly east–west path
beneaththe Hudson River, connecting Manhattan in the east
andJersey City in the west.
belowChristopher Street.
name"Uptown Hudson Tubes"
;service
ornately-designedstations in Manhattan featured straight platforms, each 370 feet (110 m) long and able to accommodate 8-car consists.
,or 5,650 feet (1,720 m) between shafts.
as far as97 feet (30 m) below mean river level.
. When a train passes through the tunnel, it pushes out the air in front of it towards the closest ventilation shaft. At the same time, it pulls air into the rail tunnel from the closest ventilation shaft behind it. This enables the piston effect, which results in better ventilation.[ref]
tubes'southern
tunnel
, whilethe more northerly
tubeis slightly larger, with a diameter of 18 feet (5.5 m) because that tube had been constructed first. -- Truflip99 ( talk) 15:32, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
Apologies for the delay in this review. Been quite busy at work for the past two weeks. --
Truflip99 (
talk)
16:00, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Initial construction attempts
He intended for the tube torun from 15th Street in Jersey City to Morton Street in Manhattan, a distance of 5,400 feet (1,600 m).
Trenor W. Park was hiredas the president of the new company.
Had it been completed, the tunnel would have been12,000 feet (3,700 m) feet long. Trains from five railroad companies on the New Jersey side
would have enteredone of two tubes, hauled by special steam locomotives that
would have emittedvery little steam. The engines
would have continuedto Manhattan...
for onlyone month when
itwas stopped by a court injunction
submittedby the Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad, who owned the property at the tunnel's New Jersey portal.
As a result ofthe lawsuit, work on the tunnel
did not resumeuntil September 1879.
usedat the time did not
employa tunneling shield
; it usedair compressors to maintain pressure against the
water-ladensilt that was being tunneled through.
forthe workers killed was later erected in Jersey City.
halted tunneling workon November 5, 1882,
due to insufficient funds. At that time
,water was allowed to fill the unfinished tunnel.
with theresumption of work.
Thiscontinued for the next four months when on July 20, 1883, it was stopped once
againdue to lack of funds.
, it employedJames Henry Greathead as a consulting engineer and S. Pearson & Son as principal contractors.
subsequentlyreceived the
project'sconstruction contract from Haskin's company.
newfirm used
a new device developed by Greathead,
referred to asthe "Greathead Shield", to extend the tunnel by 1,600 feet (490 m).
Witha concentration of rock directly underneath the clay riverbed, the tube
was alignedto pass directly
above it, with very little clearance. To maintain sufficient air pressure
inside,
the contractors placeda silt layer of at least 15 feet (4.6 m)
around it. The silt layer was then removed after
a section(?) the tube was finished
, which allowed itto maintain its own air pressure.
@ Epicgenius: Pinging you just so you are aware :) -- Truflip99 ( talk) 16:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
In 1901, lawyer and future statesman William Gibbs McAdoo... John Randolph Dos Passos,
a fellow lawyer who invested...
From this conversation...
He went on to explore it... an engineer who
helped buildNew York City's first underwater tunnel in 1894 under the East River
and whohad also worked on the
unfinishedHudson River tunnel
bothbelieved
Originally, McAdoo had intended to complete only the northern tube...
Afterwards, he would... within that
singletube.
amid worseningferry congestion...
McAdoodevised
a plan....
to complementa pair of downtown tunnels
McAdoo had planned to connectJersey City, New Jersey with Lower Manhattan.
@ Epicgenius: Sorry, I meant to ping you about this. I will get this review completed in the next few days. -- Truflip99 ( talk) 16:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
on February 25, 1908 at 3:40 p.m. and arrived...
it proposed to connect its Lexington Avenue line withthe H&M at three locations
@ Truflip99: Thanks for the comments. I have fixed all of these except for two. As for adding specific businesses and office building developments, it's not important to the understanding of the article, and the sources don't mention the specific businesses' names anyway. Also, the elevated is another source of competition, so that's why it was included. epicgenius ( talk) 20:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
ranparallel to the Uptown Hudson Tubes from Ninth to 33rd Streets.
With the IND committedto building the Sixth Avenue line
the IND plannedto convert vague part of the H&M tubes.
The city had initiallyintended to take over the portion of the Uptown Tubes under Sixth Avenue for IND use
andbuild a pair of new tubes for the H&M directly
belowit. However, the H&M objected
to this planwhen?, and so negotiations between the city and IND and the H&M continued for several years timeframe?.
; theonly entrance to the station's westbound platform had been located inside a building, whose owner had canceled the lease for the station entrance.
determinedthat constructing a new entrance was too expensive
projects
; its ceiling just 38 feet (12 m) beneaththe bottom of the Uptown Tubes.
With the stations along the Uptown Tubes starting to age, in 1986,the...
Uptown and Downtown Hudson Tubes...
The coal-fired Hudson and Manhattan Railroad Powerhouse, which generated electricity to run the Hudson tube trains between 1908 and 1929,was also added to the National Register of Historic Places on November 23, 2001. (Turn this into one paragraph)
From July to October 2018, positive train control installation suspended service through the tubes, mostly on weekends.-- Truflip99 ( talk) 21:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Truflip99, Thanks for the additional feedback. I have fixed these issues. I don't know when the H&M objected to the IND's plan, but it's probably right after the IND published the proposal. I added a date for when the H&M and IND came to an agreement. epicgenius ( talk) 23:15, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
I did some copy edits (I find it difficult to make the GA requester do the copy edits as I need to be able to see the changes in real time). I'm leaving some final comments for you to complete, which I think will put this article into GA status. -- Truflip99 ( talk) 16:46, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
By that time, about 1,200 feet (370 m) of the tunnel's route had been constructed. This included 1,500 feet (460 m) of one tube and 600 feet (180 m) of a parallel tube to the south.This does not add up. 1,500 + 600 is certainly more than 1,200.
Unlike the North River Tunnels upstream, which would carry intercity and commuter trains, the Morton Street Tunnel would carry only trolleys or rapid transit, which used smaller trains. This, in turn, allowed the Morton Street tubes to be smaller and thus less expensive.These sentence just feel out of place. If I'm understanding their intended purpose correctly, here is my suggested edit:
Unlike the North River Tunnels upstream, which would carry intercity and commuter trains by 1910, citation needed the Morton Street Tunnel was intended to carry only trolleys or rapid transit, which used smaller trains. This, in turn, allowed the Morton Street Tunnel to be smaller andthusless expensive.
but McAdoo's New York and Jersey Railroad Company was interested in the H&M tunnel.The highlighted fragment reads awkwardly. Did McAdoo ultimately build the downtown tunnels? If so, I would just say that, including when he did so.
The next year, the Uptown Tubes were completed after 33 years of intermittent effortcould you provide the exact date?
As an alternative, it was proposed to connect the Uptown Tubes to the Steinway Tunnel.who proposed connecting these tunnels?
By 1914, the H&M had not started construction of the Grand Central extension, and it requested to delay the start of construction further.How long of a delay
The Rapid Transit Commissioners had determined that the Ninth Street crosstown spur was unlikely to start construction any time soon.This is a vague sentence. I think it should be omitted.
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From: PRR Chronology 1904
Tunnels contract to O'Rourke Engineering Construction Company and East River Tunnels to S. Pearson & Son, Ltd. of London; John F. O'Rourke (1854-1934) has been Chief Engineer of Poughkeepsie Bridge. (AJC 32/20)
River between Jersey City and Morton Street; first tunnel under the Hudson; first tube of what later becomes uptown line of Hudson & Manhattan Railroad incorporates portion of Haskin's tunnel begun in 1870s; second tube, begun by S. Pearson & Sons in 1880s is sealed, as it cannot be connected to the flying junction being built on the New Jersey side; Charles M. Jacobs is first person to walk from shore to shore under the river. (H&M, Couper)
GA toolbox |
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Reviewing |
Reviewer: Truflip99 ( talk · contribs) 21:38, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Let's do this.
Lead
andcross eastward under the Hudson River.
themnorthward to Grand Central Terminal, as well as creating a crosstown spur line that would have run under Ninth Street in Manhattan.
Description
travela roughly east–west path
beneaththe Hudson River, connecting Manhattan in the east
andJersey City in the west.
belowChristopher Street.
name"Uptown Hudson Tubes"
;service
ornately-designedstations in Manhattan featured straight platforms, each 370 feet (110 m) long and able to accommodate 8-car consists.
,or 5,650 feet (1,720 m) between shafts.
as far as97 feet (30 m) below mean river level.
. When a train passes through the tunnel, it pushes out the air in front of it towards the closest ventilation shaft. At the same time, it pulls air into the rail tunnel from the closest ventilation shaft behind it. This enables the piston effect, which results in better ventilation.[ref]
tubes'southern
tunnel
, whilethe more northerly
tubeis slightly larger, with a diameter of 18 feet (5.5 m) because that tube had been constructed first. -- Truflip99 ( talk) 15:32, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
Apologies for the delay in this review. Been quite busy at work for the past two weeks. --
Truflip99 (
talk)
16:00, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Initial construction attempts
He intended for the tube torun from 15th Street in Jersey City to Morton Street in Manhattan, a distance of 5,400 feet (1,600 m).
Trenor W. Park was hiredas the president of the new company.
Had it been completed, the tunnel would have been12,000 feet (3,700 m) feet long. Trains from five railroad companies on the New Jersey side
would have enteredone of two tubes, hauled by special steam locomotives that
would have emittedvery little steam. The engines
would have continuedto Manhattan...
for onlyone month when
itwas stopped by a court injunction
submittedby the Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad, who owned the property at the tunnel's New Jersey portal.
As a result ofthe lawsuit, work on the tunnel
did not resumeuntil September 1879.
usedat the time did not
employa tunneling shield
; it usedair compressors to maintain pressure against the
water-ladensilt that was being tunneled through.
forthe workers killed was later erected in Jersey City.
halted tunneling workon November 5, 1882,
due to insufficient funds. At that time
,water was allowed to fill the unfinished tunnel.
with theresumption of work.
Thiscontinued for the next four months when on July 20, 1883, it was stopped once
againdue to lack of funds.
, it employedJames Henry Greathead as a consulting engineer and S. Pearson & Son as principal contractors.
subsequentlyreceived the
project'sconstruction contract from Haskin's company.
newfirm used
a new device developed by Greathead,
referred to asthe "Greathead Shield", to extend the tunnel by 1,600 feet (490 m).
Witha concentration of rock directly underneath the clay riverbed, the tube
was alignedto pass directly
above it, with very little clearance. To maintain sufficient air pressure
inside,
the contractors placeda silt layer of at least 15 feet (4.6 m)
around it. The silt layer was then removed after
a section(?) the tube was finished
, which allowed itto maintain its own air pressure.
@ Epicgenius: Pinging you just so you are aware :) -- Truflip99 ( talk) 16:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
In 1901, lawyer and future statesman William Gibbs McAdoo... John Randolph Dos Passos,
a fellow lawyer who invested...
From this conversation...
He went on to explore it... an engineer who
helped buildNew York City's first underwater tunnel in 1894 under the East River
and whohad also worked on the
unfinishedHudson River tunnel
bothbelieved
Originally, McAdoo had intended to complete only the northern tube...
Afterwards, he would... within that
singletube.
amid worseningferry congestion...
McAdoodevised
a plan....
to complementa pair of downtown tunnels
McAdoo had planned to connectJersey City, New Jersey with Lower Manhattan.
@ Epicgenius: Sorry, I meant to ping you about this. I will get this review completed in the next few days. -- Truflip99 ( talk) 16:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
on February 25, 1908 at 3:40 p.m. and arrived...
it proposed to connect its Lexington Avenue line withthe H&M at three locations
@ Truflip99: Thanks for the comments. I have fixed all of these except for two. As for adding specific businesses and office building developments, it's not important to the understanding of the article, and the sources don't mention the specific businesses' names anyway. Also, the elevated is another source of competition, so that's why it was included. epicgenius ( talk) 20:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
ranparallel to the Uptown Hudson Tubes from Ninth to 33rd Streets.
With the IND committedto building the Sixth Avenue line
the IND plannedto convert vague part of the H&M tubes.
The city had initiallyintended to take over the portion of the Uptown Tubes under Sixth Avenue for IND use
andbuild a pair of new tubes for the H&M directly
belowit. However, the H&M objected
to this planwhen?, and so negotiations between the city and IND and the H&M continued for several years timeframe?.
; theonly entrance to the station's westbound platform had been located inside a building, whose owner had canceled the lease for the station entrance.
determinedthat constructing a new entrance was too expensive
projects
; its ceiling just 38 feet (12 m) beneaththe bottom of the Uptown Tubes.
With the stations along the Uptown Tubes starting to age, in 1986,the...
Uptown and Downtown Hudson Tubes...
The coal-fired Hudson and Manhattan Railroad Powerhouse, which generated electricity to run the Hudson tube trains between 1908 and 1929,was also added to the National Register of Historic Places on November 23, 2001. (Turn this into one paragraph)
From July to October 2018, positive train control installation suspended service through the tubes, mostly on weekends.-- Truflip99 ( talk) 21:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Truflip99, Thanks for the additional feedback. I have fixed these issues. I don't know when the H&M objected to the IND's plan, but it's probably right after the IND published the proposal. I added a date for when the H&M and IND came to an agreement. epicgenius ( talk) 23:15, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
I did some copy edits (I find it difficult to make the GA requester do the copy edits as I need to be able to see the changes in real time). I'm leaving some final comments for you to complete, which I think will put this article into GA status. -- Truflip99 ( talk) 16:46, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
By that time, about 1,200 feet (370 m) of the tunnel's route had been constructed. This included 1,500 feet (460 m) of one tube and 600 feet (180 m) of a parallel tube to the south.This does not add up. 1,500 + 600 is certainly more than 1,200.
Unlike the North River Tunnels upstream, which would carry intercity and commuter trains, the Morton Street Tunnel would carry only trolleys or rapid transit, which used smaller trains. This, in turn, allowed the Morton Street tubes to be smaller and thus less expensive.These sentence just feel out of place. If I'm understanding their intended purpose correctly, here is my suggested edit:
Unlike the North River Tunnels upstream, which would carry intercity and commuter trains by 1910, citation needed the Morton Street Tunnel was intended to carry only trolleys or rapid transit, which used smaller trains. This, in turn, allowed the Morton Street Tunnel to be smaller andthusless expensive.
but McAdoo's New York and Jersey Railroad Company was interested in the H&M tunnel.The highlighted fragment reads awkwardly. Did McAdoo ultimately build the downtown tunnels? If so, I would just say that, including when he did so.
The next year, the Uptown Tubes were completed after 33 years of intermittent effortcould you provide the exact date?
As an alternative, it was proposed to connect the Uptown Tubes to the Steinway Tunnel.who proposed connecting these tunnels?
By 1914, the H&M had not started construction of the Grand Central extension, and it requested to delay the start of construction further.How long of a delay
The Rapid Transit Commissioners had determined that the Ninth Street crosstown spur was unlikely to start construction any time soon.This is a vague sentence. I think it should be omitted.