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There is an ongoing dispute on how closely connected the current University of Chicago is with the Old University of Chicago. While this debate is worthy of transparent discussion on this talk page, there are mostly anonymous wikieditors making revisions to the University of Chicago wikipage without review that are meant to strengthen the association between these two entities. The majority of these changes are present in the second paragraph of the history section which I believe needs to be addressed. As an employee of the university, I do not have a NPOV, and will not make these edits myself. I am writing to request the input of neutral wiki-editors on how to move forward. Of my suggested edits, the second paragraph of this history section requires a number of revisions, clarifications and accurate citations for it to be a fair representation of the university's history. I would be happy to provide suggested revisions for review on this page if desired. StickerMug ( talk) 11:54, 8 Aug 2018 (CST)
I would suggest simplifying the entire History Section of this page and redirecting users to the History of the University of Chicago page for more detail. (This approach is similar to Stanford's succinct History section on its main page.) Ideally, having a singular wikipage that details the history of the university would allow all wikieditors interested in contributing to have a single place to discuss, debate, and apply agreed-upon changes. StickerMug ( talk) 11:59, 8 Aug 2018 (CST)
Suggested edit in History Section header: Change "Further information: Old University of Chicago" to "Disambiguation: Old University of Chicago". StickerMug ( talk) 13:07, 8 Aug 2018 (CST)
An unregistered editor is insisting that the lede of this article include this sentence in the very first paragraph: "It is often ranked by major publications as among the top universities in the US and the world. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]"
The sources that are cited are insufficient to include this information in the lede. The prevailing consensus about this kind of information in the lede of college and university articles: "to include text on 'reputation, prestige, or relative ranking(s)' in a lead section, such material must be compliant with generally applicable policies, including:
Even if this clear consensus didn't exist, a few Wikipedia editor-selected rankings from a few years cannot support the claim that the university "is often ranked..." That is synthesis which is not allowed.
Finally, " significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." This is not discussed in the article or supported by sources cited in the body of the article. ElKevbo ( talk) 02:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Best to improve the presentation than edit warring with the IP (See WP:Preserve). When the Britannica article for this school has "most outstanding universit[y]" in almost the first sentence there is no doubt that something in this nature belongs in the lead of this article. I've added a book cite and reworded a bit, feel free to improve but there is basically no valid argument for excluding. Alanscottwalker ( talk) 18:10, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
This discussion has become regrettably heated. Personally, I don't think the Britannica source is enough to support the text in the article, which seems somewhat peacockish (distinguished and elite? Is there some difference between those two?), but it's a start. I'm sure that for an institution with as much history as UChicago it'll be possible to find higher-quality sources. ElKevbo, is there a particular wording regarding the university's reputation that you would prefer to see? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 04:45, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Would just add that if you look around at other elite university pages, many broad peers to UChicago lack a line plainly saying the university is prestigious (factually, I think this is a policy is misguided). Cornell does, but as of this comment JHU, MIT and Columbia do not. The summary is similar to that currently present for UChicago: namely, a litany of facts that a discerning reader understanding the landscape of higher education (but somehow not knowing what UChicago is) could use to conclude it is an elite school. Hard not to conclude that Wikipedia's policy here is simply misguided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.50.120 ( talk) 15:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
I added 13 major books and articles to "Further reading". Previously there were no titles at all. I checked each one and used only items from major scholarly publishers that focused on important academic centers or developments. I looked at over 100 titles and selected about one in ten. I became a professor in Chicago in 1970 (at U of Illinois-Chicago) and have followed UC ever since. Rjensen ( talk) 16:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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There is an ongoing dispute on how closely connected the current University of Chicago is with the Old University of Chicago. While this debate is worthy of transparent discussion on this talk page, there are mostly anonymous wikieditors making revisions to the University of Chicago wikipage without review that are meant to strengthen the association between these two entities. The majority of these changes are present in the second paragraph of the history section which I believe needs to be addressed. As an employee of the university, I do not have a NPOV, and will not make these edits myself. I am writing to request the input of neutral wiki-editors on how to move forward. Of my suggested edits, the second paragraph of this history section requires a number of revisions, clarifications and accurate citations for it to be a fair representation of the university's history. I would be happy to provide suggested revisions for review on this page if desired. StickerMug ( talk) 11:54, 8 Aug 2018 (CST)
I would suggest simplifying the entire History Section of this page and redirecting users to the History of the University of Chicago page for more detail. (This approach is similar to Stanford's succinct History section on its main page.) Ideally, having a singular wikipage that details the history of the university would allow all wikieditors interested in contributing to have a single place to discuss, debate, and apply agreed-upon changes. StickerMug ( talk) 11:59, 8 Aug 2018 (CST)
Suggested edit in History Section header: Change "Further information: Old University of Chicago" to "Disambiguation: Old University of Chicago". StickerMug ( talk) 13:07, 8 Aug 2018 (CST)
An unregistered editor is insisting that the lede of this article include this sentence in the very first paragraph: "It is often ranked by major publications as among the top universities in the US and the world. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]"
The sources that are cited are insufficient to include this information in the lede. The prevailing consensus about this kind of information in the lede of college and university articles: "to include text on 'reputation, prestige, or relative ranking(s)' in a lead section, such material must be compliant with generally applicable policies, including:
Even if this clear consensus didn't exist, a few Wikipedia editor-selected rankings from a few years cannot support the claim that the university "is often ranked..." That is synthesis which is not allowed.
Finally, " significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." This is not discussed in the article or supported by sources cited in the body of the article. ElKevbo ( talk) 02:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Best to improve the presentation than edit warring with the IP (See WP:Preserve). When the Britannica article for this school has "most outstanding universit[y]" in almost the first sentence there is no doubt that something in this nature belongs in the lead of this article. I've added a book cite and reworded a bit, feel free to improve but there is basically no valid argument for excluding. Alanscottwalker ( talk) 18:10, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
This discussion has become regrettably heated. Personally, I don't think the Britannica source is enough to support the text in the article, which seems somewhat peacockish (distinguished and elite? Is there some difference between those two?), but it's a start. I'm sure that for an institution with as much history as UChicago it'll be possible to find higher-quality sources. ElKevbo, is there a particular wording regarding the university's reputation that you would prefer to see? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 04:45, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Would just add that if you look around at other elite university pages, many broad peers to UChicago lack a line plainly saying the university is prestigious (factually, I think this is a policy is misguided). Cornell does, but as of this comment JHU, MIT and Columbia do not. The summary is similar to that currently present for UChicago: namely, a litany of facts that a discerning reader understanding the landscape of higher education (but somehow not knowing what UChicago is) could use to conclude it is an elite school. Hard not to conclude that Wikipedia's policy here is simply misguided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.50.120 ( talk) 15:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
I added 13 major books and articles to "Further reading". Previously there were no titles at all. I checked each one and used only items from major scholarly publishers that focused on important academic centers or developments. I looked at over 100 titles and selected about one in ten. I became a professor in Chicago in 1970 (at U of Illinois-Chicago) and have followed UC ever since. Rjensen ( talk) 16:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
シカゴ大学 has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 9 § シカゴ大学 until a consensus is reached.
Certes (
talk)
18:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)