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An unregistered editor has repeatedly removed "SUNY Buffalo" from the lead, insisting that the university's official prohibition against the title be honored. Official or not, the title is extremely common; Googling the phrase brings up 1.1 million hits. Further, we don't work for the university and we're not bound to honor its wishes or proclamations but we do what is best for our readers. In this case, it's obvious that what is best for our readers is for our unregistered friend to stop edit warring with others and for us to include "SUNY Buffalo" in the lead. ElKevbo ( talk) 08:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I am one who has edited this article on this 'SUNY Buffalo' matter. As an alum and former employee I am aware of common usage issues, and the confusion. I too have viewed select media and external institutions using the 'SUNY Buffalo' name. This is attributed to ignorance and/or laziness on the part of editors. It is born of the legal 'State University of New York at Buffalo' name. Editors will shorten it to SUNY Buffalo (as well as SUNY ____ for the other University Centers) for spacing needs without knowledge of, or care for, the naming conventions spelled out by UB in the aforementioned communications toolbox: It is not appropriate to refer to the university as the State University of New York at Buffalo, SUNY Buffalo, SUNYAB or similar variations.
That some wish to add "SUNY Buffalo" to the article seems to point to merely personal beliefs that it somehow benefits the univerisity brand, counter to the standards set by the UB communications toolbox and SUNY Central ( http://www.suny.edu/communications/pdf/campusnames-2010.pdf). If some wish to add 'SUNY Buffalo' to the article, why not then 'SUNY at Buffalo' (which actually was a formerly accepted short-form name) or 'SUNYAB', another name that has also faded from use since the 70's? When used, these informal names are anachronistic and unrepresentative of common/sanctioned naming. They should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.241.106.53 ( talk) 22:29, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Sanctioned branding was merely one part of my point on ignorance/laziness on the part of editors. Pointing out a personal issue with how univeristies brand should have no place in a wiki. Akin to those who would assert their opinions that 'big-time' athletics or a 'publish or perish' mentality, should not have a place at 'genuine centers of learning'.
My main point was any names those such as yourself (who have no connection to the university or SUNY) and others use incorrectly is not based on fact. Nor are there provided any data to verify that the anachronistic and incorrect 'SUNY Buffalo' is any more common in use than the anachronistic and incorrect 'SUNY at Buffalo', 'SUNYAB', 'U/B', 'University at Buffalo ,/- SUNY'. Those not close to the situation are apparently unaware that the University Centers began disassociating themselves from the 'SUNY' acronym starting in the 1960's, while some SUNY colleges find it beneficial to use the 'SUNY' acronym in their name to draw better-qualified student and faculty/staff applicants.
These are the only 5 commonly-used names that have any place for this article, if it is to be factual. Do some think 5 is not enough, that any names, even 3 or more used in error in an uncommon way, are applicable? (And this point goes for all SUNY Center articles)
Wikipedia is a site that should reflect factual information generated by a responsible user and editing community. The wikipedia page for UB by no means has to follow, line by line, point by point, what the university's "branding" team has carved out as an identity for the university. The fact is that the school is also known widely across the United States as SUNY Buffalo and is instantly recognizable under that name to people not intimately associated with the school. It is by no means "lazy" or "ignorant" for people to continue referring to an institution by a short name that has been used for decades so as to avoid confusing people in other parts of the country. Rather, it is ignorant, and actually quite provincial, to restrict the nomenclature to what was pretentiously "sanctioned" by the "branding" division of the school. Renard2006 ( talk) 02:58, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
You offer no citations to back up your assertion that SUNY Buffalo is 'widely known' and 'instantly recognizable', only your opinions. Quite to the contrary, I and others point to other former names that were in common use, such as 'SUNY at Buffalo' and 'U/B'. Check UB's archives. That you've ignored that point for this article shows your personal bias for the 'SUNY Buffalo' inclusion. Your last points show a lack of understanding on the crux of the 'branding argument'. I and others provided explainations of how editors can shorten UB's legal name for sake of space when, as editors, they should not be ignorant/lazy regarding UB's branding conventions. That is a different point to how UB is referred to in the daily lexicon. That is where you need to provide facts. If you can't then all of UB's former short-form, anachronistic names should be added and clutter this article.
Why is this so important for alums like myself? How do you think alums of schools with complex naming and certain branding, like a UCLA, Tennessee, or UNC, would react if someone pushed to include unproven, uncommonly used, or anachronistic naming in an article on their alma mater? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.183.77.129 ( talk) 15:26, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Again, you are inserting your beliefs concerning how higher education should operate, and not the reality of modern higher ed branding for media and recruiting purposes. And, I will now insert every name UB has been known as in the past to this article. Based on your position, there are no limitations regarding defining 'common' names, nor citations needed to substantiate 'common' from 'uncommom', or 'the opinions of one'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.183.77.129 ( talk) 16:19, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
If my action came off as disruptive, I appologize. That was not my intent. But, if the article is to be fully enclusionary, where is the line drawn in the absense of citations, as others are questioning? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.183.77.129 ( talk) 08:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
You know, I am not contesting the use or place for the word "UB" in this page. Personally, I use it frequently when I discuss our alma mater with others affiliated or living close to it. But from personal experience, as well as that of others who work in other parts of the United States, using the word "UB" just leads to confusion when you are far away from Buffalo, and using the terms "University at Buffalo" leads to awkward glances. (I don't know of any other English-language higher education institution in the world besides the University at Albany that calls itself the "University at" anything.) "SUNY Buffalo" reflects a persistent popular name, and there are other editors who agree with me. Demanding evidence is an easy tactic; however, I will offer you the main page of the School of Law, which on its website ( http://law.buffalo.edu) clearly and proudly calls itself the "SUNY Buffalo Law School" - and these are lawyers mind you! Renard2006 ( talk) 03:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I have new pictures for the wikipedia, I'll post them here and anyone can give a general consensus as to where we should place them. The page is now lacking pictures. Davidhar ( talk) 12:17, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Please respond. It's not very helpful when you don't give us your thoughts on the pictures, and you just decide to take them down. Davidhar ( talk) 15:41, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Hey there. I am thinking about making this article a GA, as with University of Miami. There are some issues that need to be fixed, possibly including citation fixes obviously. All are welcome to assist in this process and if anyone has suggestions, please let me know here. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 02:20, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Please do not re-edit over and over the University at Buffalo alumni sub-section, including replacing Terry Gross with Bill Greiner. Your recent edits both on the University's wikipedia and on William Greiner's suggests a conflict of interest and I would advise to not edit wikipedia pages with respect to Bill Greiner if this is the case (per WP codes). Terry Gross, the original alumnus who was replaced by Bill is surely more notable on the national and international levels. Thank you. Davidhar ( talk) 04:01, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
You cannot add photos or content that is in dispute without having prior consensus. You alone do not meet that requirement. I'm reverting your edits back. Please don't start an edit war. As for your involvement with a UB administrator, that is in direct conflict of interest. Furthermore, the University itself has no right or ownership of its wikipedia page. The purpose of WP is to be as objective as possible. While Bill Greiner served UB well, he is not notable enough to be placed among the other alumni. There should be further discussions on this topic if you are to edit in this way. Davidhar ( talk) 15:24, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
You would be happy to see that in fact, the large majority of photos that have been uploaded to UB's WP are from me. In addition, a large portion of the content was written and sourced by me as well. My contributions to UB's WP far outweigh my deletions. It is not my intent to delete your content on the basis of conflict of interest - it is merely to portray the University in the most objective yet notable way possible. Adding photos of UB's athletic teams from 1991-1993 does not help either the objectivity or notability of the subject. As for your replacement of Terry Gross for Bill Greiner, you did not properly code your edit, which resulted in Terry Gross being cut out. Evidence of your recent history of edits on Buffalo Bulls, William Greiner, and the University at Buffalo has suggested to myself and others a potential conflict of interest whereas you've shown considerable interest to portray him in a positive and notable light. As for your comments that "who is to say how much more 'notable' one person is than an other, you're right - it's hard to judge. However, it's easy to say that certain members of society are in fact more notable than others. For example, a CNN News Reporter will be much more nationally recognized than a local TV News Reporter (on average). And for your comments about bringing an administrator to help your case, the WP contributor did not support your claim whatsoever. I do however disagree with him, and I would point to many University articles that have similar photo structures featuring notable alumni and faculty ( University of California, Berkeley, Cornell University, Emory University, Brown University, and others...). As for your attacks on my own conflict of interest, I try to be as objective as possible when it comes to my edits and when I know something may be controversial, I wait for consensus from other WP editors before final approval. I would suggest a similar method for your own edits, especially on this page. Thanks. Davidhar ( talk) 06:31, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Davidhar, Again, I think your assumptions with regard to what I had attempted to achieve in contributing my images to the article are incorrect. Instead of complaining and continuing an argument that is going nowhere, I challenge you to take and upload photos of some UB sports teams to the athletics section of this article. My perspective is that some photos are better than none. Having not had any photos in that section prior to my contributions creates a reflection on the article that athletics are unimportant at UB. While most of my text contributions to this overall article have been maintained, you deleted 2/3 of my photo contributions. So, I challenge you to replace them with updated and current photos since I am on the other side of the country and it would not be feasible for me to do so, otherwise I would. You have taken a leadership role with this article, and I challenge you to uphold it by improving and enhancing it with more updated photos than what I contributed. If you do not, then it would be obvious that a conflict about it may be preferred by you rather than compromise. Having had no images in the athletics section, in my opinion and prior to my image contributions, made it a section that was lacking in quality and which needed enhancement. That is where I'm coming from, and I challenge you to take charge and make it better. Daniellagreen ( talk) 20:11, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
The current university seal situation is explained on this page http://www.buffalo.edu/toolbox/brand/visual-identity/correct-use-of-the-ub-logo.html As the page states "The official university seal is strictly reserved for formal uses, such as authenticating diplomas, transcripts and other official documents. It is not to be used for any other purposes." However, it is also stated that "Although the full seal is reserved for presidential use only, the interior portion is available and is often used as a decorative element." So the crest can only be used in this case. The crest is also only available in the UB communications toolkit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.10.248 ( talk) 07:56, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Davidhar is insisting that the lead of this article omit mention of other names currently used, names formerly used, or abbreviations used in this article (and many, many other places). In his most recent edit, he removed this sentence: "It is commonly referred to as the University at Buffalo (abbreviated UB) and was formerly known as the University of Buffalo." Not only does that remove an abbreviation used throughout the university's documents, other reliable sources, and the article itself but it also removes a historical name that is detailed in the article. More confusing is that he removed that sentence while using the edit summary "the 'University at Buffalo' name is still commonly used, bring it up in the talk if you still have issue. You're promoting an edit war." which is exactly what the sentence says!
I don't understand and I contest his bizarre insistence that the article lead not have the commonly used name, formerly used name, and abbreviation in the lead like every other article does. His explanation doesn't provide any substantive rationale for making this article different from every other article that includes this critical information in the very beginning of the article as dictated by the Manual of Style: "...significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph." ElKevbo ( talk) 19:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
If "flagship" designation is appropriate in a Wikipedia article at all, it should be referenced, and not just in SUNY Buffalo's own materials. I don't live in New York or have an affiliation with any higher ed institution there except Cornell, but I think the Stony Brook people would take exception to Buffalo receiving that designation. I'll leave it here for a while and see if generates discussion, if not I'll just delete it. AlexFeldman ( talk) 10:29, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Attempted to edit entry and added referenced to reflect the actual state of affairs, but reverted by anonymous partisan/s who seem invested in Buffalo's alleged flagship state. ~dak~ 15:57, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
'university at buffalo is the flagship. The College Board and buffalo's own site, are accurate, valid, current sources. The College Board is the one who put together the list of flagship universities in the first place and it lists buffalo's as it for new york. Look at the definition of a flagship University, on Wikipedia even, it says it's determined by the state and college board. It's the largest and biggest public school that has all the big division 1 athletics for the state. It is the most well known and highest research activity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagship_university#Education `The College Board, for example, defines flagship universities as the best-known institutions in the state, noting that they were generally the first to be established and are frequently the largest and most selective, as well as the most research-intensive public universities, it is also the states biggest University '. Which buffalo is. It's crazy it keeps getting removed, unless you find something that says it's not or another University in New York is the flagship then buffalo remains to be the flagship. There is even much talk at the state that it's the flagship, it's own website makes the flagship designation. Nothing else in new york comes close and that's backed up by sources, the College Board article was posted this October as well as the universities own website which is run by suny!!!!! And also I'm not affiliated with the University in any way. I just live in New York so I know a thing or to about ny and just spreading the facts which are backed by reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thechosenwhom ( talk • contribs) 19:48, November 19, 2014
Please note that this discussion and (which has mostly taken place at Talk:State University of New York and related articles have been extensively edited by an editor using over a dozen sockpuppets, including Thechosenwhom and most (all?) editors in favor of describing UB as the SUNY flagship. ElKevbo ( talk) 17:46, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
SUNY at Buffalo is the flagship university for New York state. This is based on numerous factors and publications. Now the system itself doesn't define one itself , rather 4 flagship centers , but all publications(which include government resources/collegeboard/and others) all point to the University at Buffalo as the flagship. And as such, it has shown to be the flagship campus. Here is a dump of some of the sources: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]. Now this is consistent with what is found on /info/en/?search=Flagship#Education . This also matches what other universities are using to define/categorize themselves as flagships and also goes beyond certain institutions. Please take a look at all the sources , and see they match what is found on the actual education flagship page. Some of the responses (from what it looks like) are just because the system itself doesn't define one , which is not important ( the system seems to lean towards U at B as the flagship anyway ). Take a look here - /info/en/?search=Category:Flagship_universities_in_the_United_States . Boise State is on there over University of Idaho. University of Texas at Austin and Texas A&M are both on there. As well as Ohio State University over Ohio University. State University of New York at Buffalo fits with all the other universities on that list and is the flagship. AlaskanNativeRU ( talk) 02:58, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
The sources provided seem to link University at Buffalo as the flagship though. No other SUNY school is ever listed in any list , its always buffalo. Furthermore its multiple lists from multiple places as well as articles. Now it alone dictates that it gets the flagship designation on its page , regardless of anything else but I would like to add, how does biose state or Texas a&m get this designation if they're not even on one list. It seems a few articles are nit picked in those situations and there's some confusion as to wheter they should or not. With buffalo there is none. It seems all the sources back it up as such ( which also list it with other flagship's from other states ) and even some articles. Overall , if Buffalo is listed over and over again from publications ranging from the past to the immediate future then there is no debate really. AlaskanNativeRU ( talk) 12:39, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
There seems to be disagreement between AlaskanNativeRU and myself about whether UB is a land-grant university. Would anyone be able to help us reach consensus? It is my belief that UB is not a land-grant university, as it has not been designated under the Morrill Acts and related extensions by the government. However, AlaskanNativeRU claims that the APLU has somehow superseded the government-run land-grant act. I'd like to note that in AlaskanNativeRU's provided citation, the APLU itself states that UB is not a state-designated land-grant university. Any opinions on this? (We are having a similar discussion at Talk:Binghamton University.) Vmanjr ( talk) 02:50, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Just to further add Membership in APLU is automatically granted to land-grant institutions per the Morrill Land-Grant Acts of 1862,1890 and 1994. [13] AlaskanNativeRU ( talk) 02:54, 9 May 2015 (UTC) Would like to also note the space grant type. http://www.nasa.gov/offices/education/programs/national/spacegrant/home/Space_Grant_Directors.html#.VU10_nPD_qA is the official list. Showing Cornell as the master and the rest as affiliates in NY. But in the space grants wiki and on other universities (other than the mains) it includes expansions and affiliates , so I believe we should either follow through or stay consistent. AlaskanNativeRU ( talk) 03:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
B. Institution Membership
1. Automatic Membership
Accredited universities that meet at least one of the following three criteria are qualified for APLU membership without formal action by the APLU Board of Directors.
a. Institution is a Land-Grant institution (1862, 1890, 1994)
b. A public institution classified in one of two Basic Classification categories from the 2010 Carnegie Classification of Instructional Programs (Source: http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/)
i. Research (Very High)
ii. Research (High)
c. Institution is a current APLU member in good standing.
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Discounting the duplicate !vote, the most relevent mention here is WP:COMMONNAME. ( non-admin closure) Mdann52 ( talk) 10:39, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
University at Buffalo →
State University of New York at Buffalo – The official name is State University of New York at Buffalo and the name should be stated as such.
The Article :
University at Buffalo and when viewed on mobile the wiki page looks like this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_at_Buffalo,_the_State_University_of_New_York and the category section :
Category:University at Buffalo, The State University of New York are all baring an incorrect name(as well as others) , University at Buffalo, The State University of New York should not be used instead State University of New York at Buffalo. State University of New York at Buffalo already redirects to the correct wiki page so I imagine changing shouldn't be much of a hassle. Some references here –
http://www.buffalo.edu/toolbox/brand/editorial/ub-name.html . It would also fit in when referencing it among other universities. The current name creates confusion , thats why the official name (State University of New York at Buffalo) would be a better fit. Do not sign this.
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talk) 22:56, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
§ AlaskanNativeRU ( talk) 15:38, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
There is a discussion going at Talk:State University of New York–Buffalo concerning whether that page should be a redirect directly to University at Buffalo or a dab page including both that school and Buffalo State College, given the similarity in the formal names of the two. Comments welcome - thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 16:06, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
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Of course Wikipedia isn't bound by the UB Branding Guide, but UB is somewhat unique in its naming scheme. The brand guide seems pretty clear about the usage of the legal name and the formal academic names. The legal name "The State University of New York at Buffalo" "should be used on legal documents such as contracts, diplomas, formal agreements and proposals", while the formal academic name with the SUNY modifier, "The University at Buffalo, The State University of New York", can be found consistently on the university seal, SUNY lockup logo, the school's official website, and in usage like the UB listing for the AAU. The legal name, however, is rarely found, which makes sense given the description on the brand page. Obviously, "University at Buffalo" is clearly not only the university's preferred name, but is also the common name in secondary sources. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 13:30, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I'd like to see this page to be renamed to the official name "State University of New York at Buffalo" , because wikiepeida is supposed to be an encyclopedia in which it would be most appropriate to have its official/legal name as its article name. But if you purpose it to be renamed with the SUNY modifier, I also agree it would be better than what it is currently so you have my support there.
What else is interesting is Buffalo's own law school, lists students who graduated from Buffalo and are attending the law school as " SUNY at Buffalo Center " under the college represented area. [6] This is also present at other graduate schools at Buffalo and other schools too. University of Miami lists alumni of buffalo as " State University of New York, Buffalo " [7] Vanderbilt lists it as " SUNY Buffalo Center " [8] and University of Rochester lists Buffalo alumni as "SUNY - Buffalo" [9] . Lastly something else I found quickly was NY state yellow ribbon lists Buffalo as " State University of New York at Buffalo " [10]
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SUNY Buffalo is a well established nickname of the State University of New York at Buffalo, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here just for some examples. These are from a wide range of reputable sources.
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Buffalo is not a flagship, de facto or otherwise. These claims are based on cherry-picking and should be removed. I made changes to reflect this a few times but they were systematically removed by sockpuppet vandals who with this claim to be true. ~dak~ 19:37, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
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Buffalo is not a flagship, de facto or otherwise. These claims are based on cherry-picking and should be removed. I made changes to reflect this a few times but they were systematically removed by sockpuppet vandals who with this claim to be true. ~dak~ 19:37, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
I've brought this out of the archive because an unregistered editor is now claiming that this article should say that this university is the state's flagship university. However, the cited sources are clear that the system does not have an official flagship so stating or implying otherwise is disingenuous.
@ AlaskanNativeRU: Thoughts? ElKevbo ( talk) 02:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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When I attended SUNY/AB in 1968-1970, prior to the groundbreaking for the North Campus, there was an Interim Campus, also in Amherst. The computing center was there, as well as the Computer Science and Mathematics departments. I don't know when it was built, but if someone has the date it should go into the article. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 06:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
When I attended from 1968-1970 the name was often abbreviated as SUNY/AB. Does anybody have a WP:RS that indicates what abbreviations were used in what years? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 11:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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An unregistered editor has repeatedly removed "SUNY Buffalo" from the lead, insisting that the university's official prohibition against the title be honored. Official or not, the title is extremely common; Googling the phrase brings up 1.1 million hits. Further, we don't work for the university and we're not bound to honor its wishes or proclamations but we do what is best for our readers. In this case, it's obvious that what is best for our readers is for our unregistered friend to stop edit warring with others and for us to include "SUNY Buffalo" in the lead. ElKevbo ( talk) 08:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I am one who has edited this article on this 'SUNY Buffalo' matter. As an alum and former employee I am aware of common usage issues, and the confusion. I too have viewed select media and external institutions using the 'SUNY Buffalo' name. This is attributed to ignorance and/or laziness on the part of editors. It is born of the legal 'State University of New York at Buffalo' name. Editors will shorten it to SUNY Buffalo (as well as SUNY ____ for the other University Centers) for spacing needs without knowledge of, or care for, the naming conventions spelled out by UB in the aforementioned communications toolbox: It is not appropriate to refer to the university as the State University of New York at Buffalo, SUNY Buffalo, SUNYAB or similar variations.
That some wish to add "SUNY Buffalo" to the article seems to point to merely personal beliefs that it somehow benefits the univerisity brand, counter to the standards set by the UB communications toolbox and SUNY Central ( http://www.suny.edu/communications/pdf/campusnames-2010.pdf). If some wish to add 'SUNY Buffalo' to the article, why not then 'SUNY at Buffalo' (which actually was a formerly accepted short-form name) or 'SUNYAB', another name that has also faded from use since the 70's? When used, these informal names are anachronistic and unrepresentative of common/sanctioned naming. They should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.241.106.53 ( talk) 22:29, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Sanctioned branding was merely one part of my point on ignorance/laziness on the part of editors. Pointing out a personal issue with how univeristies brand should have no place in a wiki. Akin to those who would assert their opinions that 'big-time' athletics or a 'publish or perish' mentality, should not have a place at 'genuine centers of learning'.
My main point was any names those such as yourself (who have no connection to the university or SUNY) and others use incorrectly is not based on fact. Nor are there provided any data to verify that the anachronistic and incorrect 'SUNY Buffalo' is any more common in use than the anachronistic and incorrect 'SUNY at Buffalo', 'SUNYAB', 'U/B', 'University at Buffalo ,/- SUNY'. Those not close to the situation are apparently unaware that the University Centers began disassociating themselves from the 'SUNY' acronym starting in the 1960's, while some SUNY colleges find it beneficial to use the 'SUNY' acronym in their name to draw better-qualified student and faculty/staff applicants.
These are the only 5 commonly-used names that have any place for this article, if it is to be factual. Do some think 5 is not enough, that any names, even 3 or more used in error in an uncommon way, are applicable? (And this point goes for all SUNY Center articles)
Wikipedia is a site that should reflect factual information generated by a responsible user and editing community. The wikipedia page for UB by no means has to follow, line by line, point by point, what the university's "branding" team has carved out as an identity for the university. The fact is that the school is also known widely across the United States as SUNY Buffalo and is instantly recognizable under that name to people not intimately associated with the school. It is by no means "lazy" or "ignorant" for people to continue referring to an institution by a short name that has been used for decades so as to avoid confusing people in other parts of the country. Rather, it is ignorant, and actually quite provincial, to restrict the nomenclature to what was pretentiously "sanctioned" by the "branding" division of the school. Renard2006 ( talk) 02:58, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
You offer no citations to back up your assertion that SUNY Buffalo is 'widely known' and 'instantly recognizable', only your opinions. Quite to the contrary, I and others point to other former names that were in common use, such as 'SUNY at Buffalo' and 'U/B'. Check UB's archives. That you've ignored that point for this article shows your personal bias for the 'SUNY Buffalo' inclusion. Your last points show a lack of understanding on the crux of the 'branding argument'. I and others provided explainations of how editors can shorten UB's legal name for sake of space when, as editors, they should not be ignorant/lazy regarding UB's branding conventions. That is a different point to how UB is referred to in the daily lexicon. That is where you need to provide facts. If you can't then all of UB's former short-form, anachronistic names should be added and clutter this article.
Why is this so important for alums like myself? How do you think alums of schools with complex naming and certain branding, like a UCLA, Tennessee, or UNC, would react if someone pushed to include unproven, uncommonly used, or anachronistic naming in an article on their alma mater? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.183.77.129 ( talk) 15:26, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Again, you are inserting your beliefs concerning how higher education should operate, and not the reality of modern higher ed branding for media and recruiting purposes. And, I will now insert every name UB has been known as in the past to this article. Based on your position, there are no limitations regarding defining 'common' names, nor citations needed to substantiate 'common' from 'uncommom', or 'the opinions of one'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.183.77.129 ( talk) 16:19, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
If my action came off as disruptive, I appologize. That was not my intent. But, if the article is to be fully enclusionary, where is the line drawn in the absense of citations, as others are questioning? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.183.77.129 ( talk) 08:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
You know, I am not contesting the use or place for the word "UB" in this page. Personally, I use it frequently when I discuss our alma mater with others affiliated or living close to it. But from personal experience, as well as that of others who work in other parts of the United States, using the word "UB" just leads to confusion when you are far away from Buffalo, and using the terms "University at Buffalo" leads to awkward glances. (I don't know of any other English-language higher education institution in the world besides the University at Albany that calls itself the "University at" anything.) "SUNY Buffalo" reflects a persistent popular name, and there are other editors who agree with me. Demanding evidence is an easy tactic; however, I will offer you the main page of the School of Law, which on its website ( http://law.buffalo.edu) clearly and proudly calls itself the "SUNY Buffalo Law School" - and these are lawyers mind you! Renard2006 ( talk) 03:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I have new pictures for the wikipedia, I'll post them here and anyone can give a general consensus as to where we should place them. The page is now lacking pictures. Davidhar ( talk) 12:17, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Please respond. It's not very helpful when you don't give us your thoughts on the pictures, and you just decide to take them down. Davidhar ( talk) 15:41, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Hey there. I am thinking about making this article a GA, as with University of Miami. There are some issues that need to be fixed, possibly including citation fixes obviously. All are welcome to assist in this process and if anyone has suggestions, please let me know here. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 02:20, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Please do not re-edit over and over the University at Buffalo alumni sub-section, including replacing Terry Gross with Bill Greiner. Your recent edits both on the University's wikipedia and on William Greiner's suggests a conflict of interest and I would advise to not edit wikipedia pages with respect to Bill Greiner if this is the case (per WP codes). Terry Gross, the original alumnus who was replaced by Bill is surely more notable on the national and international levels. Thank you. Davidhar ( talk) 04:01, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
You cannot add photos or content that is in dispute without having prior consensus. You alone do not meet that requirement. I'm reverting your edits back. Please don't start an edit war. As for your involvement with a UB administrator, that is in direct conflict of interest. Furthermore, the University itself has no right or ownership of its wikipedia page. The purpose of WP is to be as objective as possible. While Bill Greiner served UB well, he is not notable enough to be placed among the other alumni. There should be further discussions on this topic if you are to edit in this way. Davidhar ( talk) 15:24, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
You would be happy to see that in fact, the large majority of photos that have been uploaded to UB's WP are from me. In addition, a large portion of the content was written and sourced by me as well. My contributions to UB's WP far outweigh my deletions. It is not my intent to delete your content on the basis of conflict of interest - it is merely to portray the University in the most objective yet notable way possible. Adding photos of UB's athletic teams from 1991-1993 does not help either the objectivity or notability of the subject. As for your replacement of Terry Gross for Bill Greiner, you did not properly code your edit, which resulted in Terry Gross being cut out. Evidence of your recent history of edits on Buffalo Bulls, William Greiner, and the University at Buffalo has suggested to myself and others a potential conflict of interest whereas you've shown considerable interest to portray him in a positive and notable light. As for your comments that "who is to say how much more 'notable' one person is than an other, you're right - it's hard to judge. However, it's easy to say that certain members of society are in fact more notable than others. For example, a CNN News Reporter will be much more nationally recognized than a local TV News Reporter (on average). And for your comments about bringing an administrator to help your case, the WP contributor did not support your claim whatsoever. I do however disagree with him, and I would point to many University articles that have similar photo structures featuring notable alumni and faculty ( University of California, Berkeley, Cornell University, Emory University, Brown University, and others...). As for your attacks on my own conflict of interest, I try to be as objective as possible when it comes to my edits and when I know something may be controversial, I wait for consensus from other WP editors before final approval. I would suggest a similar method for your own edits, especially on this page. Thanks. Davidhar ( talk) 06:31, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Davidhar, Again, I think your assumptions with regard to what I had attempted to achieve in contributing my images to the article are incorrect. Instead of complaining and continuing an argument that is going nowhere, I challenge you to take and upload photos of some UB sports teams to the athletics section of this article. My perspective is that some photos are better than none. Having not had any photos in that section prior to my contributions creates a reflection on the article that athletics are unimportant at UB. While most of my text contributions to this overall article have been maintained, you deleted 2/3 of my photo contributions. So, I challenge you to replace them with updated and current photos since I am on the other side of the country and it would not be feasible for me to do so, otherwise I would. You have taken a leadership role with this article, and I challenge you to uphold it by improving and enhancing it with more updated photos than what I contributed. If you do not, then it would be obvious that a conflict about it may be preferred by you rather than compromise. Having had no images in the athletics section, in my opinion and prior to my image contributions, made it a section that was lacking in quality and which needed enhancement. That is where I'm coming from, and I challenge you to take charge and make it better. Daniellagreen ( talk) 20:11, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
The current university seal situation is explained on this page http://www.buffalo.edu/toolbox/brand/visual-identity/correct-use-of-the-ub-logo.html As the page states "The official university seal is strictly reserved for formal uses, such as authenticating diplomas, transcripts and other official documents. It is not to be used for any other purposes." However, it is also stated that "Although the full seal is reserved for presidential use only, the interior portion is available and is often used as a decorative element." So the crest can only be used in this case. The crest is also only available in the UB communications toolkit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.10.248 ( talk) 07:56, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Davidhar is insisting that the lead of this article omit mention of other names currently used, names formerly used, or abbreviations used in this article (and many, many other places). In his most recent edit, he removed this sentence: "It is commonly referred to as the University at Buffalo (abbreviated UB) and was formerly known as the University of Buffalo." Not only does that remove an abbreviation used throughout the university's documents, other reliable sources, and the article itself but it also removes a historical name that is detailed in the article. More confusing is that he removed that sentence while using the edit summary "the 'University at Buffalo' name is still commonly used, bring it up in the talk if you still have issue. You're promoting an edit war." which is exactly what the sentence says!
I don't understand and I contest his bizarre insistence that the article lead not have the commonly used name, formerly used name, and abbreviation in the lead like every other article does. His explanation doesn't provide any substantive rationale for making this article different from every other article that includes this critical information in the very beginning of the article as dictated by the Manual of Style: "...significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph." ElKevbo ( talk) 19:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
If "flagship" designation is appropriate in a Wikipedia article at all, it should be referenced, and not just in SUNY Buffalo's own materials. I don't live in New York or have an affiliation with any higher ed institution there except Cornell, but I think the Stony Brook people would take exception to Buffalo receiving that designation. I'll leave it here for a while and see if generates discussion, if not I'll just delete it. AlexFeldman ( talk) 10:29, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Attempted to edit entry and added referenced to reflect the actual state of affairs, but reverted by anonymous partisan/s who seem invested in Buffalo's alleged flagship state. ~dak~ 15:57, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
'university at buffalo is the flagship. The College Board and buffalo's own site, are accurate, valid, current sources. The College Board is the one who put together the list of flagship universities in the first place and it lists buffalo's as it for new york. Look at the definition of a flagship University, on Wikipedia even, it says it's determined by the state and college board. It's the largest and biggest public school that has all the big division 1 athletics for the state. It is the most well known and highest research activity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagship_university#Education `The College Board, for example, defines flagship universities as the best-known institutions in the state, noting that they were generally the first to be established and are frequently the largest and most selective, as well as the most research-intensive public universities, it is also the states biggest University '. Which buffalo is. It's crazy it keeps getting removed, unless you find something that says it's not or another University in New York is the flagship then buffalo remains to be the flagship. There is even much talk at the state that it's the flagship, it's own website makes the flagship designation. Nothing else in new york comes close and that's backed up by sources, the College Board article was posted this October as well as the universities own website which is run by suny!!!!! And also I'm not affiliated with the University in any way. I just live in New York so I know a thing or to about ny and just spreading the facts which are backed by reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thechosenwhom ( talk • contribs) 19:48, November 19, 2014
Please note that this discussion and (which has mostly taken place at Talk:State University of New York and related articles have been extensively edited by an editor using over a dozen sockpuppets, including Thechosenwhom and most (all?) editors in favor of describing UB as the SUNY flagship. ElKevbo ( talk) 17:46, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
SUNY at Buffalo is the flagship university for New York state. This is based on numerous factors and publications. Now the system itself doesn't define one itself , rather 4 flagship centers , but all publications(which include government resources/collegeboard/and others) all point to the University at Buffalo as the flagship. And as such, it has shown to be the flagship campus. Here is a dump of some of the sources: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]. Now this is consistent with what is found on /info/en/?search=Flagship#Education . This also matches what other universities are using to define/categorize themselves as flagships and also goes beyond certain institutions. Please take a look at all the sources , and see they match what is found on the actual education flagship page. Some of the responses (from what it looks like) are just because the system itself doesn't define one , which is not important ( the system seems to lean towards U at B as the flagship anyway ). Take a look here - /info/en/?search=Category:Flagship_universities_in_the_United_States . Boise State is on there over University of Idaho. University of Texas at Austin and Texas A&M are both on there. As well as Ohio State University over Ohio University. State University of New York at Buffalo fits with all the other universities on that list and is the flagship. AlaskanNativeRU ( talk) 02:58, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
The sources provided seem to link University at Buffalo as the flagship though. No other SUNY school is ever listed in any list , its always buffalo. Furthermore its multiple lists from multiple places as well as articles. Now it alone dictates that it gets the flagship designation on its page , regardless of anything else but I would like to add, how does biose state or Texas a&m get this designation if they're not even on one list. It seems a few articles are nit picked in those situations and there's some confusion as to wheter they should or not. With buffalo there is none. It seems all the sources back it up as such ( which also list it with other flagship's from other states ) and even some articles. Overall , if Buffalo is listed over and over again from publications ranging from the past to the immediate future then there is no debate really. AlaskanNativeRU ( talk) 12:39, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
There seems to be disagreement between AlaskanNativeRU and myself about whether UB is a land-grant university. Would anyone be able to help us reach consensus? It is my belief that UB is not a land-grant university, as it has not been designated under the Morrill Acts and related extensions by the government. However, AlaskanNativeRU claims that the APLU has somehow superseded the government-run land-grant act. I'd like to note that in AlaskanNativeRU's provided citation, the APLU itself states that UB is not a state-designated land-grant university. Any opinions on this? (We are having a similar discussion at Talk:Binghamton University.) Vmanjr ( talk) 02:50, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Just to further add Membership in APLU is automatically granted to land-grant institutions per the Morrill Land-Grant Acts of 1862,1890 and 1994. [13] AlaskanNativeRU ( talk) 02:54, 9 May 2015 (UTC) Would like to also note the space grant type. http://www.nasa.gov/offices/education/programs/national/spacegrant/home/Space_Grant_Directors.html#.VU10_nPD_qA is the official list. Showing Cornell as the master and the rest as affiliates in NY. But in the space grants wiki and on other universities (other than the mains) it includes expansions and affiliates , so I believe we should either follow through or stay consistent. AlaskanNativeRU ( talk) 03:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
B. Institution Membership
1. Automatic Membership
Accredited universities that meet at least one of the following three criteria are qualified for APLU membership without formal action by the APLU Board of Directors.
a. Institution is a Land-Grant institution (1862, 1890, 1994)
b. A public institution classified in one of two Basic Classification categories from the 2010 Carnegie Classification of Instructional Programs (Source: http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/)
i. Research (Very High)
ii. Research (High)
c. Institution is a current APLU member in good standing.
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Discounting the duplicate !vote, the most relevent mention here is WP:COMMONNAME. ( non-admin closure) Mdann52 ( talk) 10:39, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
University at Buffalo →
State University of New York at Buffalo – The official name is State University of New York at Buffalo and the name should be stated as such.
The Article :
University at Buffalo and when viewed on mobile the wiki page looks like this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_at_Buffalo,_the_State_University_of_New_York and the category section :
Category:University at Buffalo, The State University of New York are all baring an incorrect name(as well as others) , University at Buffalo, The State University of New York should not be used instead State University of New York at Buffalo. State University of New York at Buffalo already redirects to the correct wiki page so I imagine changing shouldn't be much of a hassle. Some references here –
http://www.buffalo.edu/toolbox/brand/editorial/ub-name.html . It would also fit in when referencing it among other universities. The current name creates confusion , thats why the official name (State University of New York at Buffalo) would be a better fit. Do not sign this.
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§ AlaskanNativeRU ( talk) 15:38, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
There is a discussion going at Talk:State University of New York–Buffalo concerning whether that page should be a redirect directly to University at Buffalo or a dab page including both that school and Buffalo State College, given the similarity in the formal names of the two. Comments welcome - thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 16:06, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
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Of course Wikipedia isn't bound by the UB Branding Guide, but UB is somewhat unique in its naming scheme. The brand guide seems pretty clear about the usage of the legal name and the formal academic names. The legal name "The State University of New York at Buffalo" "should be used on legal documents such as contracts, diplomas, formal agreements and proposals", while the formal academic name with the SUNY modifier, "The University at Buffalo, The State University of New York", can be found consistently on the university seal, SUNY lockup logo, the school's official website, and in usage like the UB listing for the AAU. The legal name, however, is rarely found, which makes sense given the description on the brand page. Obviously, "University at Buffalo" is clearly not only the university's preferred name, but is also the common name in secondary sources. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 13:30, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I'd like to see this page to be renamed to the official name "State University of New York at Buffalo" , because wikiepeida is supposed to be an encyclopedia in which it would be most appropriate to have its official/legal name as its article name. But if you purpose it to be renamed with the SUNY modifier, I also agree it would be better than what it is currently so you have my support there.
What else is interesting is Buffalo's own law school, lists students who graduated from Buffalo and are attending the law school as " SUNY at Buffalo Center " under the college represented area. [6] This is also present at other graduate schools at Buffalo and other schools too. University of Miami lists alumni of buffalo as " State University of New York, Buffalo " [7] Vanderbilt lists it as " SUNY Buffalo Center " [8] and University of Rochester lists Buffalo alumni as "SUNY - Buffalo" [9] . Lastly something else I found quickly was NY state yellow ribbon lists Buffalo as " State University of New York at Buffalo " [10]
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SUNY Buffalo is a well established nickname of the State University of New York at Buffalo, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here just for some examples. These are from a wide range of reputable sources.
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Buffalo is not a flagship, de facto or otherwise. These claims are based on cherry-picking and should be removed. I made changes to reflect this a few times but they were systematically removed by sockpuppet vandals who with this claim to be true. ~dak~ 19:37, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
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Buffalo is not a flagship, de facto or otherwise. These claims are based on cherry-picking and should be removed. I made changes to reflect this a few times but they were systematically removed by sockpuppet vandals who with this claim to be true. ~dak~ 19:37, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
I've brought this out of the archive because an unregistered editor is now claiming that this article should say that this university is the state's flagship university. However, the cited sources are clear that the system does not have an official flagship so stating or implying otherwise is disingenuous.
@ AlaskanNativeRU: Thoughts? ElKevbo ( talk) 02:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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When I attended SUNY/AB in 1968-1970, prior to the groundbreaking for the North Campus, there was an Interim Campus, also in Amherst. The computing center was there, as well as the Computer Science and Mathematics departments. I don't know when it was built, but if someone has the date it should go into the article. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 06:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
When I attended from 1968-1970 the name was often abbreviated as SUNY/AB. Does anybody have a WP:RS that indicates what abbreviations were used in what years? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 11:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)