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I have heard about the archduke reforming the empire, however I have never heard of him renaming it the "United States of Great Austria", how was it supposed to be called in German? Gryffindor 14:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
remove "great"? 900 google hits. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 06:17, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Google hits "United States of Great Austria": 14 [5]
Google hits "United States of Greater Austria": 49 [6]
Google hits "Vereinigte Staaten von Groß-Österreich": 231 [7]
any suggestions? Gryffindor 12:08, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
User Nightstallion just asked me could I draw a map of this idea. Yes I can, but there is one problem with those maps from the external links (I added one more external link there):
It is very likely that the second map is based one the first one, but there is a question is the first map based on the original proposal of Popovici, or it is a modern interpretation of Popovici's proposal made by Thomas Graz? Could somebody to help me with this? I have reason to believe that a map made by Thomas Graz is not completelly correct. Here is why I believe this: he draw two more maps of Austria-Hungary (ethnographic and religious one):
Since I think that Thomas Graz used those two to draw the map of the United States of Greater Austria, I nocited one mistake on the map of the religious denominations:
The mistake is that the region of Srem/Srijem is drawn here as a land mainly inhabited by Catholic Croats, but it was mainly inhabited by Orthodox Serbs. The demographics for this region according to the 1910 census could be seen here: Szerém (former county). So, since Thomas Graz mistaked here, it is not surprise that the region of Srem was included into Croatia and not in Vojvodina in this map:
So, since I do not know what was the original proposal of Popovici, does anybody know was Srem region part of Croatia or Vojvodina according to Popovici? If the map made by Thomas Graz is same as the Popovici's proposal, then we have to accept it as valid, because then Popovici was the one who did not know the ethnographic composition of the Srem region, but we cannot change his proposal because of this. However, if the Thomas Graz is the one who mistaked here, then it should be corrected. Is there some other external link with Popovici's proposal describing the borders of proposed regions? PANONIAN (talk) 14:33, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
One more thing, here is some brief mention of Popovici's proposal describing which region is formed for which nationality (that could be included into article):
Quote: "Az Ausztriában élő román Aurel C. Popovici könyvében ("Die Vereinigte Staaten von Gross- Österreich", 1906) összegzi álláspontját a Monarchia etnikai alapú demokratikus föderatív átalakulásáról. Eszerint a birodalom 15 etnikai alapú politikai egysége Német-Ausztria, Német-Csehország és Német-Morvaország, Csehország, Szlovákia, Nyugat- Galícia (lengyel), Kelet-Galícia (rutén), Magyarország, Horvátország, Erdély (román), Székely Terület, Vojvodina (szerb), Kraina (szlovén), Trentino (olasz) és Trieszt (olasz). A német kisebbségek 12 autonóm területet alkotnak (elsősorban Magyarországon)."
It is in Hungarian, but the one who knows the Hungarian names for those peoples could understand it. I do not speak Hungarian, but I know few Hungarian words, so I will translate this if somebody do not understand. PANONIAN (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
By the way, I will draw a map based on the one from external link for now, but it will be finished after few days (It is not the easy one). PANONIAN (talk) 12:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, the map is finished. Is it ok? PANONIAN (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the way the article is written gives to much credence to the concept that, at this point, the Austro-Hungarian Empire was a German, and, to a lesser extent, Hungarian dominated state. What about all the pan-German and Christian social groups talking about how Germans were feeling threatened by the growing power of the ethnic minorities? Many felt that the Hapsburgs seemed to be bowing down to pressure from them, not the Germans. This was the same milieu in which the basic ideas of Nazism began to take root. I don't defend the Nazis or ethnic nationalism generally, but I can see how it could feel to be in the ethnic Germans position. I have strayed to far from the point - referencing it as basically a German dominated area in the period might not be accurate.-- Dudeman5685 04:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know the percentages each majority nationality in these "states"?
Obviously there were more Jews in this Empire than Slovenes or Italians, but they appear to be unrepresented. Does anybody know how they were distributed in these areas? 68.4.200.35 ( talk) 10:12, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
As I know, there was no recognized nation Bosniak in Austria-Hungary, neither claims of such a nation. Muslim people of BiH at the time called themselves either Turk, either Croat, either nothing. That nation came into existence in second Yugoslavia after WWII under the name "Muslim", and changed the name to "Bosniak" in 90's.
Can somebody put a reference for "ten ethnic groups" including "Bosniaks" with any name in Austria-Hungary? If not, I suggest to erase them from the list. Moreplovac ( talk) 18:56, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
There is a paragraph given to why the Hungarians generally opposed the plan since it'd take quite a bit of the existing territory away. But, was there any opposition to the name of this this proposed reorganization of the empire? Can someone find any historical discussion on this? I ask, because I can only imagine that an empire in which each of the dominant members were very proud of their piece of the empire that to go from "Austria-Hungary" to the "United States of Great Austria" with no mention of the other major component of the country would cause some kind of consternation. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 18:48, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Couldn't help but notice that the two paragraphs discussing the Archduke's support for a "United States of Austria" have no source, which you'd expect for such a radical claim. 62.68.123.214 ( talk) 22:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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I have heard about the archduke reforming the empire, however I have never heard of him renaming it the "United States of Great Austria", how was it supposed to be called in German? Gryffindor 14:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
remove "great"? 900 google hits. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 06:17, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Google hits "United States of Great Austria": 14 [5]
Google hits "United States of Greater Austria": 49 [6]
Google hits "Vereinigte Staaten von Groß-Österreich": 231 [7]
any suggestions? Gryffindor 12:08, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
User Nightstallion just asked me could I draw a map of this idea. Yes I can, but there is one problem with those maps from the external links (I added one more external link there):
It is very likely that the second map is based one the first one, but there is a question is the first map based on the original proposal of Popovici, or it is a modern interpretation of Popovici's proposal made by Thomas Graz? Could somebody to help me with this? I have reason to believe that a map made by Thomas Graz is not completelly correct. Here is why I believe this: he draw two more maps of Austria-Hungary (ethnographic and religious one):
Since I think that Thomas Graz used those two to draw the map of the United States of Greater Austria, I nocited one mistake on the map of the religious denominations:
The mistake is that the region of Srem/Srijem is drawn here as a land mainly inhabited by Catholic Croats, but it was mainly inhabited by Orthodox Serbs. The demographics for this region according to the 1910 census could be seen here: Szerém (former county). So, since Thomas Graz mistaked here, it is not surprise that the region of Srem was included into Croatia and not in Vojvodina in this map:
So, since I do not know what was the original proposal of Popovici, does anybody know was Srem region part of Croatia or Vojvodina according to Popovici? If the map made by Thomas Graz is same as the Popovici's proposal, then we have to accept it as valid, because then Popovici was the one who did not know the ethnographic composition of the Srem region, but we cannot change his proposal because of this. However, if the Thomas Graz is the one who mistaked here, then it should be corrected. Is there some other external link with Popovici's proposal describing the borders of proposed regions? PANONIAN (talk) 14:33, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
One more thing, here is some brief mention of Popovici's proposal describing which region is formed for which nationality (that could be included into article):
Quote: "Az Ausztriában élő román Aurel C. Popovici könyvében ("Die Vereinigte Staaten von Gross- Österreich", 1906) összegzi álláspontját a Monarchia etnikai alapú demokratikus föderatív átalakulásáról. Eszerint a birodalom 15 etnikai alapú politikai egysége Német-Ausztria, Német-Csehország és Német-Morvaország, Csehország, Szlovákia, Nyugat- Galícia (lengyel), Kelet-Galícia (rutén), Magyarország, Horvátország, Erdély (román), Székely Terület, Vojvodina (szerb), Kraina (szlovén), Trentino (olasz) és Trieszt (olasz). A német kisebbségek 12 autonóm területet alkotnak (elsősorban Magyarországon)."
It is in Hungarian, but the one who knows the Hungarian names for those peoples could understand it. I do not speak Hungarian, but I know few Hungarian words, so I will translate this if somebody do not understand. PANONIAN (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
By the way, I will draw a map based on the one from external link for now, but it will be finished after few days (It is not the easy one). PANONIAN (talk) 12:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, the map is finished. Is it ok? PANONIAN (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the way the article is written gives to much credence to the concept that, at this point, the Austro-Hungarian Empire was a German, and, to a lesser extent, Hungarian dominated state. What about all the pan-German and Christian social groups talking about how Germans were feeling threatened by the growing power of the ethnic minorities? Many felt that the Hapsburgs seemed to be bowing down to pressure from them, not the Germans. This was the same milieu in which the basic ideas of Nazism began to take root. I don't defend the Nazis or ethnic nationalism generally, but I can see how it could feel to be in the ethnic Germans position. I have strayed to far from the point - referencing it as basically a German dominated area in the period might not be accurate.-- Dudeman5685 04:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know the percentages each majority nationality in these "states"?
Obviously there were more Jews in this Empire than Slovenes or Italians, but they appear to be unrepresented. Does anybody know how they were distributed in these areas? 68.4.200.35 ( talk) 10:12, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
As I know, there was no recognized nation Bosniak in Austria-Hungary, neither claims of such a nation. Muslim people of BiH at the time called themselves either Turk, either Croat, either nothing. That nation came into existence in second Yugoslavia after WWII under the name "Muslim", and changed the name to "Bosniak" in 90's.
Can somebody put a reference for "ten ethnic groups" including "Bosniaks" with any name in Austria-Hungary? If not, I suggest to erase them from the list. Moreplovac ( talk) 18:56, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
There is a paragraph given to why the Hungarians generally opposed the plan since it'd take quite a bit of the existing territory away. But, was there any opposition to the name of this this proposed reorganization of the empire? Can someone find any historical discussion on this? I ask, because I can only imagine that an empire in which each of the dominant members were very proud of their piece of the empire that to go from "Austria-Hungary" to the "United States of Great Austria" with no mention of the other major component of the country would cause some kind of consternation. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 18:48, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Couldn't help but notice that the two paragraphs discussing the Archduke's support for a "United States of Austria" have no source, which you'd expect for such a radical claim. 62.68.123.214 ( talk) 22:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)