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Throughout the articles on US cities and US states reference data are provided from the US Census. This fact is usually indicated by a statement such as 2000 census.... Should this not be 2000 Census (a proper noun) and an article developed for this significant event? Marshman 19:22 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Removed text:
Which is not to say it has not happened. Census information was used to locate Japanese-Americans to be put in internment camps during World War II. Events like this and a general distrust of government by most Americans has hampered the Census Bureau's task in recent years.
Have you got a cite for this? I think you're confusing the
Smith Act, and the FBI's CDI, and other forms of government information on citizens with the census. I don't doubt that the census is (or could be corrupt), however I don't see any references for this in my research.
~ender 2003-10-27 15:36:MST
I have a question: who are the people considered white? I heard and read that Portuguese and Spanish aren´t considered white, but Latinos. Is that true?14:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC)a.
Portuguese and Spanish are not races. The Census Bureau's use of the term "Hispanic" refers to a person's ethnic origin. Persons of Hispanic origin can be of any race.
In addition, race is self identified. Even when an enumerator is completing the form, he would put down whatever race the respondent said. Even if the race the respondent selected seems to be wrong, you'd still use it. And of course, if you fill out the form yourself, you put down what you want. Wschart ( talk) 11:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
The Census Bureau collects race and ethnicity according to the Office of Management and Budget's standards, which govern how race and ethnicity are to be collected in all federal data collections. The only exception to this is the decennial census's category "Some Other Race," which has been added per Congress. OMB's standard has been not as easy to find since the most recent transition, but this link currently works: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Revisions-to-the-Standards-for-the-Classification-of-Federal-Data-on-Race-and-Ethnicity-October30-1997.pdf. The actual standard begins at the bottom of page 18. The standards were last revised in 1997. The standard actually does not address where Brazilians fit, and the Census Bureau groups them into the Some Other Race group [1] [2]. Flowr6powr ( talk) 04:26, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
References
Where can I find a citation that Bureau of the Census is still an official name. It seems that in the late 1990s and early 20th century "Census Bureau" is being used. gidonb 19:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
See 13 U.S.C. ch. 1 Subsection 1. older ≠ wiser 20:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
"Bureau of the Census" is in the official seal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.230.117.188 ( talk) 15:09, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
There were mentions of Charles Louis Kincannon as "soon to be replaced" and that Steven H. Murdock as the incoming director. For the first, the phrasing implies that his leaving is involuntary, which I think is unnecessarily biased unless there is some documentary evidence to the contrary. For the second, Murdock was nominated for the position. The nomination is currently still in a Senate committee. While there are no indications that his nomination will face any opposition, if we keep the factoid in the article, it should be phrased to indicate the actual status. older ≠ wiser 13:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Someone just added "Economic Census" to the "Ongoing surveys" section of the article. Ideally the various censuses the Bureau conducts should be broken out from the surveys, with a section perhaps mentioning the differences between the two. I'd do it myself but it's just not something I can get to right away. Rklear ( talk) 22:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
hopiakuta Please d o sign your communiqué . ~~ Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 00:30, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
What's the census bureau's budget? Shouldn't this be in the article?-- 173.57.119.51 ( talk) 03:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this will break references and links in USA city / state / fed level articles that reference the U.S. Census Bureau page called FactFinder. There will be a new FactFinder 2 that will replace the current one. See http://factfinder.census.gov/home/saff/aff2.html for this statement "Please note that the current American FactFinder will be discontinued in the Fall of 2011. At that time, any deep links into the discontinued system will no longer work." --- Sbmeirow ( talk) 06:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Don’t know how far we got with our response as above, to the change from FactFinder 1 to 2? whether it was completed? (On a fairly brief visit to our article I got the impression a lot of links were broken.) Anyway, evidently it’s now the new data.- website we need to be dealing with: see subsection following. – SquisherDa ( talk) 11:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
The change, this year (2019), to the new data.census.gov website instead of FactFinder-2 calls for similar tinkering, like the change from FactFinder-1 (see subsection above) - unless this has already been done? I was surprised recently to find difficulty getting to the new site from the old - the old one seemed to lack the usual pointers and hints - and I sent a feedback email. I liked the answer:
From: CEDSCI Feedback (CENSUS/ OTHER) <cedsci.feedback@census.gov>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 3:01 pm
To: Peter Davies
Subject: Re: User journey: “NM - Ohkay Owingeh CDP population”
Good morning Peter,
It's great to hear that you're pleased with the site! Please keep in mind though, from what I understand, the mobile version still needs more work (a little more, even, than the full site), so it may not be the most user-friendly option between the two.
And you're correct--it's rather difficult to find a direct link to [data.census.gov] from the main Census page ([census.gov]). To an extent, I think this is by design. Since census.gov and data.census.gov aren't integrated yet, there's a preference to keep them distinctly separate. But this does make it harder for folks to find it.
The one thing I can say is that we have a fairly easy web address to remember--the harder part is remembering to not include the www. I'll make note of your suggestions in our list of consolidated feedback that we provide to the developers for future planning. Perhaps we can figure out a way to maintain the "separateness" while also providing quick and easy access to the site.
I'd also like to let you know about some resources that are available for using data.census.gov. The first one I would recommend is our Resources page ( https://www.census.gov/data/what-is-data-census-gov.html). We have links to our webinars, Data Gems, and FAQs on here. My personal favorite, though, is the Downloads and How-To Information section. This section includes step-by-step PDFs on using data.census.gov. I have plans to add more over the coming weeks. If you think of anything that you think would be a good How-To, let me know! If you have a moment, please check out the difference resources available.
Please continue to use data.census.gov and send us your comments and questions.
Best,
Jessica Barnett
Dissemination Outreach Branch
Census Enterprise Dissemination Services and Consumer Innovation (CEDSCI)
U.S. Census Bureau
Office 301.763.5631 jessica.c.barnett@census.gov
Connect with us on Social Media
Points to note:
–
SquisherDa (
talk) 11:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Further notes / thoughts, x2:
Census estimates are not "recordings" of the population, they are educated guesses as to what the number would be if there was a recording.
Please do not use the word "recorded" with estimates. Only use "recorded" with census counts. Ryoung122 17:55, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
A source I have points out that the total loss for the 2010 census that ineffectively used the Harris handheld devices, cost about US$3.5billion. This is something good to point out in contrast to what's there at the moment ("Projected savings are over one billion dollars.[17]"). Sources: Jean Thilmany, “Don’t Count on It,” CIO Insight, May 2008; U.S. Government Accountability Office, “Significant Problems of Critical Automation Contribute to Risks Facing 2010 Census,” March 5, 2008 which is cited in: Laudon, K. C., & Laudon, J. P. (2007). Management information systems: managing the digital firm (10th ed.). Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education page 551.
Lewiscb ( talk) 13:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't see where this information is cited. The previous citations 13 & 14 do not list these divisions. What's the source for this subsection? Wikipedia:Verifiability aephyx ( talk) 22:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
A map showing the regions and subdivisions would be very helpful. -- Beland ( talk) 20:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
American FactFinder → United States Census Bureau#Data stewardship
--User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 00:23, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Done: I merged the noteworthy content here and redirected American FactFinder to this article here. — zziccardi ( talk) 17:21, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
That was a pretty major and very controversial move. All the more so now with the news that unemployment data from the bureau likely was falsified in 2012 before the presidential election. JayHubie ( talk) 02:59, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
While I understand that the United States Census Bureau is a credible source, I don't like the way that so many US Region articles are slanted towards the Census's definitions, including South, Southwest, West, and Midwest. Northeastern United States does a better job at it than the Census-biased articles (at least on its map), I think. The maps and definitions used should not be solely dependent on the Census. Changes should be made to reflect the wider regional definitions, in my opinion. Dustin (talk) 15:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
This could be a useful section, it was removed without discussion so it's been saved here: Bachcell ( talk) 20:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
As a technological and methodological innovator, the U.S. Census Bureau has long been an incubator for talent [1].
References
Has anyone ever seen previous years census figures changed on the United States Census site? I just saw a 2013 figure changed when the 2014 came out. That looks fishy to me, as anyone have ever seen it before? Linda Rider ( talk) 05:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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The information should be more precise and more direct. I would like to see more visual representation of how the process of census works. Santosde ( talk) 04:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Hello Everyone,
I’m a member of the Trust & Safety team at the US Census Bureau. Like you, our team is committed to making sure the public has accurate information about the 2020 Census and the Census Bureau as a whole. I’ll be using this account to provide information and suggest edits, as needed. For those editing Census Bureau related pages, check out the resources below: Most up-to-date information about emerging rumors: https://2020census.gov/en/news-events/rumors.html Frequently Asked Questions: https://2020census.gov/en/help.html Other 2020 Census Information: https://2020census.gov/
If you cannot find information about a particular rumor, feel free to email us directly at rumors@census.gov. Make sure to introduce yourself and provide the following: Details about the content in question The page you’re editing Any resources or citations you need to verify the edit
To learn more about the Trust & Safety team, you can find more information here: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/02/putting-2020-census-rumors-to-rest.html
We look forward to working with you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AliTSCB ( talk • contribs) 15:14, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
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Please change "conducts dozens of other censuses and surveys" to "conducts more than 130 surveys and programs a year"
[1]
AliTSCB (
talk) 15:18, 1 April 2020 (UTC)AliTSCB
Hello Everyone,
I’m a member of the Trust & Safety team at the US Census Bureau. Like you, our team is committed to making sure the public has accurate information about the 2020 Census and the Census Bureau as a whole. I’ll be using this account to provide information and suggest edits, as needed. For those editing Census Bureau related pages, check out the resources below: • Most up-to-date information about emerging rumors: https://2020census.gov/en/news-events/rumors.html • Frequently Asked Questions: https://2020census.gov/en/help.html • Other 2020 Census Information: https://2020census.gov/
If you cannot find information about a particular rumor, feel free to email us directly at rumors@census.gov. Make sure to introduce yourself and provide the following: • Details about the content in question • The page you’re editing • Any resources or citations you need to verify the edit
To learn more about the Trust & Safety team, you can find more information here: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/02/putting-2020-census-rumors-to-rest.html
We look forward to working with you!
BenTSCB ( talk) 19:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)BenTSCB
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Please change "The Bureau's various censuses and surveys help allocate over $400 billion in federal funds every year" to "The Bureau's varioius censuses and surveys help allocate over $675 billion in federal funds every year" [2] BenTSCB ( talk) 19:45, 3 April 2020 (UTC)BenTSCB
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
Moved from Wikipedia:Village pump:
Throughout the articles on US cities and US states reference data are provided from the US Census. This fact is usually indicated by a statement such as 2000 census.... Should this not be 2000 Census (a proper noun) and an article developed for this significant event? Marshman 19:22 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Removed text:
Which is not to say it has not happened. Census information was used to locate Japanese-Americans to be put in internment camps during World War II. Events like this and a general distrust of government by most Americans has hampered the Census Bureau's task in recent years.
Have you got a cite for this? I think you're confusing the
Smith Act, and the FBI's CDI, and other forms of government information on citizens with the census. I don't doubt that the census is (or could be corrupt), however I don't see any references for this in my research.
~ender 2003-10-27 15:36:MST
I have a question: who are the people considered white? I heard and read that Portuguese and Spanish aren´t considered white, but Latinos. Is that true?14:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC)a.
Portuguese and Spanish are not races. The Census Bureau's use of the term "Hispanic" refers to a person's ethnic origin. Persons of Hispanic origin can be of any race.
In addition, race is self identified. Even when an enumerator is completing the form, he would put down whatever race the respondent said. Even if the race the respondent selected seems to be wrong, you'd still use it. And of course, if you fill out the form yourself, you put down what you want. Wschart ( talk) 11:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
The Census Bureau collects race and ethnicity according to the Office of Management and Budget's standards, which govern how race and ethnicity are to be collected in all federal data collections. The only exception to this is the decennial census's category "Some Other Race," which has been added per Congress. OMB's standard has been not as easy to find since the most recent transition, but this link currently works: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Revisions-to-the-Standards-for-the-Classification-of-Federal-Data-on-Race-and-Ethnicity-October30-1997.pdf. The actual standard begins at the bottom of page 18. The standards were last revised in 1997. The standard actually does not address where Brazilians fit, and the Census Bureau groups them into the Some Other Race group [1] [2]. Flowr6powr ( talk) 04:26, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
References
Where can I find a citation that Bureau of the Census is still an official name. It seems that in the late 1990s and early 20th century "Census Bureau" is being used. gidonb 19:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
See 13 U.S.C. ch. 1 Subsection 1. older ≠ wiser 20:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
"Bureau of the Census" is in the official seal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.230.117.188 ( talk) 15:09, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
There were mentions of Charles Louis Kincannon as "soon to be replaced" and that Steven H. Murdock as the incoming director. For the first, the phrasing implies that his leaving is involuntary, which I think is unnecessarily biased unless there is some documentary evidence to the contrary. For the second, Murdock was nominated for the position. The nomination is currently still in a Senate committee. While there are no indications that his nomination will face any opposition, if we keep the factoid in the article, it should be phrased to indicate the actual status. older ≠ wiser 13:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Someone just added "Economic Census" to the "Ongoing surveys" section of the article. Ideally the various censuses the Bureau conducts should be broken out from the surveys, with a section perhaps mentioning the differences between the two. I'd do it myself but it's just not something I can get to right away. Rklear ( talk) 22:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
hopiakuta Please d o sign your communiqué . ~~ Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 00:30, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
What's the census bureau's budget? Shouldn't this be in the article?-- 173.57.119.51 ( talk) 03:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this will break references and links in USA city / state / fed level articles that reference the U.S. Census Bureau page called FactFinder. There will be a new FactFinder 2 that will replace the current one. See http://factfinder.census.gov/home/saff/aff2.html for this statement "Please note that the current American FactFinder will be discontinued in the Fall of 2011. At that time, any deep links into the discontinued system will no longer work." --- Sbmeirow ( talk) 06:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Don’t know how far we got with our response as above, to the change from FactFinder 1 to 2? whether it was completed? (On a fairly brief visit to our article I got the impression a lot of links were broken.) Anyway, evidently it’s now the new data.- website we need to be dealing with: see subsection following. – SquisherDa ( talk) 11:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
The change, this year (2019), to the new data.census.gov website instead of FactFinder-2 calls for similar tinkering, like the change from FactFinder-1 (see subsection above) - unless this has already been done? I was surprised recently to find difficulty getting to the new site from the old - the old one seemed to lack the usual pointers and hints - and I sent a feedback email. I liked the answer:
From: CEDSCI Feedback (CENSUS/ OTHER) <cedsci.feedback@census.gov>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 3:01 pm
To: Peter Davies
Subject: Re: User journey: “NM - Ohkay Owingeh CDP population”
Good morning Peter,
It's great to hear that you're pleased with the site! Please keep in mind though, from what I understand, the mobile version still needs more work (a little more, even, than the full site), so it may not be the most user-friendly option between the two.
And you're correct--it's rather difficult to find a direct link to [data.census.gov] from the main Census page ([census.gov]). To an extent, I think this is by design. Since census.gov and data.census.gov aren't integrated yet, there's a preference to keep them distinctly separate. But this does make it harder for folks to find it.
The one thing I can say is that we have a fairly easy web address to remember--the harder part is remembering to not include the www. I'll make note of your suggestions in our list of consolidated feedback that we provide to the developers for future planning. Perhaps we can figure out a way to maintain the "separateness" while also providing quick and easy access to the site.
I'd also like to let you know about some resources that are available for using data.census.gov. The first one I would recommend is our Resources page ( https://www.census.gov/data/what-is-data-census-gov.html). We have links to our webinars, Data Gems, and FAQs on here. My personal favorite, though, is the Downloads and How-To Information section. This section includes step-by-step PDFs on using data.census.gov. I have plans to add more over the coming weeks. If you think of anything that you think would be a good How-To, let me know! If you have a moment, please check out the difference resources available.
Please continue to use data.census.gov and send us your comments and questions.
Best,
Jessica Barnett
Dissemination Outreach Branch
Census Enterprise Dissemination Services and Consumer Innovation (CEDSCI)
U.S. Census Bureau
Office 301.763.5631 jessica.c.barnett@census.gov
Connect with us on Social Media
Points to note:
–
SquisherDa (
talk) 11:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Further notes / thoughts, x2:
Census estimates are not "recordings" of the population, they are educated guesses as to what the number would be if there was a recording.
Please do not use the word "recorded" with estimates. Only use "recorded" with census counts. Ryoung122 17:55, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
A source I have points out that the total loss for the 2010 census that ineffectively used the Harris handheld devices, cost about US$3.5billion. This is something good to point out in contrast to what's there at the moment ("Projected savings are over one billion dollars.[17]"). Sources: Jean Thilmany, “Don’t Count on It,” CIO Insight, May 2008; U.S. Government Accountability Office, “Significant Problems of Critical Automation Contribute to Risks Facing 2010 Census,” March 5, 2008 which is cited in: Laudon, K. C., & Laudon, J. P. (2007). Management information systems: managing the digital firm (10th ed.). Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education page 551.
Lewiscb ( talk) 13:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't see where this information is cited. The previous citations 13 & 14 do not list these divisions. What's the source for this subsection? Wikipedia:Verifiability aephyx ( talk) 22:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
A map showing the regions and subdivisions would be very helpful. -- Beland ( talk) 20:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
American FactFinder → United States Census Bureau#Data stewardship
--User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 00:23, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Done: I merged the noteworthy content here and redirected American FactFinder to this article here. — zziccardi ( talk) 17:21, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
That was a pretty major and very controversial move. All the more so now with the news that unemployment data from the bureau likely was falsified in 2012 before the presidential election. JayHubie ( talk) 02:59, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
While I understand that the United States Census Bureau is a credible source, I don't like the way that so many US Region articles are slanted towards the Census's definitions, including South, Southwest, West, and Midwest. Northeastern United States does a better job at it than the Census-biased articles (at least on its map), I think. The maps and definitions used should not be solely dependent on the Census. Changes should be made to reflect the wider regional definitions, in my opinion. Dustin (talk) 15:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
This could be a useful section, it was removed without discussion so it's been saved here: Bachcell ( talk) 20:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
As a technological and methodological innovator, the U.S. Census Bureau has long been an incubator for talent [1].
References
Has anyone ever seen previous years census figures changed on the United States Census site? I just saw a 2013 figure changed when the 2014 came out. That looks fishy to me, as anyone have ever seen it before? Linda Rider ( talk) 05:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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The information should be more precise and more direct. I would like to see more visual representation of how the process of census works. Santosde ( talk) 04:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Hello Everyone,
I’m a member of the Trust & Safety team at the US Census Bureau. Like you, our team is committed to making sure the public has accurate information about the 2020 Census and the Census Bureau as a whole. I’ll be using this account to provide information and suggest edits, as needed. For those editing Census Bureau related pages, check out the resources below: Most up-to-date information about emerging rumors: https://2020census.gov/en/news-events/rumors.html Frequently Asked Questions: https://2020census.gov/en/help.html Other 2020 Census Information: https://2020census.gov/
If you cannot find information about a particular rumor, feel free to email us directly at rumors@census.gov. Make sure to introduce yourself and provide the following: Details about the content in question The page you’re editing Any resources or citations you need to verify the edit
To learn more about the Trust & Safety team, you can find more information here: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/02/putting-2020-census-rumors-to-rest.html
We look forward to working with you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AliTSCB ( talk • contribs) 15:14, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
Please change "conducts dozens of other censuses and surveys" to "conducts more than 130 surveys and programs a year"
[1]
AliTSCB (
talk) 15:18, 1 April 2020 (UTC)AliTSCB
Hello Everyone,
I’m a member of the Trust & Safety team at the US Census Bureau. Like you, our team is committed to making sure the public has accurate information about the 2020 Census and the Census Bureau as a whole. I’ll be using this account to provide information and suggest edits, as needed. For those editing Census Bureau related pages, check out the resources below: • Most up-to-date information about emerging rumors: https://2020census.gov/en/news-events/rumors.html • Frequently Asked Questions: https://2020census.gov/en/help.html • Other 2020 Census Information: https://2020census.gov/
If you cannot find information about a particular rumor, feel free to email us directly at rumors@census.gov. Make sure to introduce yourself and provide the following: • Details about the content in question • The page you’re editing • Any resources or citations you need to verify the edit
To learn more about the Trust & Safety team, you can find more information here: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/02/putting-2020-census-rumors-to-rest.html
We look forward to working with you!
BenTSCB ( talk) 19:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)BenTSCB
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
Please change "The Bureau's various censuses and surveys help allocate over $400 billion in federal funds every year" to "The Bureau's varioius censuses and surveys help allocate over $675 billion in federal funds every year" [2] BenTSCB ( talk) 19:45, 3 April 2020 (UTC)BenTSCB