This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
United Nations System article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Seriously, what's difference between United Nations and United Nations System? I mean is UNS a some kind of organization, mere concept or something else? -- Taku 01:33 May 3, 2003 (UTC)
Where does the International Narcotics Control Board fit into this? Rad Racer 05:29, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Whoever is responsible for the construction and the upkeep of this page did an OUSTANDING JOB in the description of THE UN SYSTEM. REVO2 17:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I can't find any source linking WTO with the UN. Unlike the other "Related organizations" that are clearly linked to the UN - the WTO seems to be a completely separate organization (yes, multiple UN agencies are WTO observers and WTO is observer/participant in multiple UN agencies/organizations, but this is different that WTO to be "part of" the UN System). Alinor ( talk) 16:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC) Also, [1], makes differentiation between "WTO" and "the UN Organizations". And I still can't find source showing WTO as a UN System organization. Alinor ( talk) 07:25, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Seems like "United Nations system", with "system" not capitalized, would be more in keeping with WP:MOS. Any objections to moving this article to that technically more correct name? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld ( talk) 02:12, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
As far as I am aware the relationship between the IAEA and the UN is defined not by a UN General Assembly Resolution but by the a formal agreement published by the IAEA as INFCIRC/11. NPguy ( talk) 01:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I propose that we remove unnecessary details from the lede since those are already elaborated on in the respective article sections, namely the complex status of one of the affiliated organizations, the WTO. Also, the current lede wrongly states that all executives are CEB members, but there are some exceptions (see source below). (item1 is current, item2 is proposed text)
The World Trade Organization (WTO) is not officially a part of the UN system ...
... the World Trade Organization, which is not part of the UN system.
... the World Trade Organization, which is not part of the UN system.
Japinderum ( talk) 11:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Regarding this - whether IAEA/WTO and OPCW/CTBO are different according to the sources is discussed here, but in case we don't come to an agreement, then they should be restored to their status quo version. Japinderum ( talk) 11:20, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Per the above I restored the status quo, so that we can discuss here what to do with this section and sandbox. Japinderum ( talk) 10:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Among the United Nations System organizations there are also some with specific affiliation arrangements. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
Some organizations have their relationship with the UN defined by an arrangement different from the agreements between the specialized agencies and the UN, whose agreements are based on Articles 57 and 63 of the United Nations Charter. They are taken for and considered akin to the specialized agencies, [4] [7] [2] [6] and like the other specialized agency's heads, their executives are members of the United Nations System Chief Executives' Board for Coordination (CEB). [4] [8]
The relationship between the IAEA and the UN was established by a resolution of the UN General Assembly. Unlike the specialized agencies which report to ECOSOC, the IAEA reports directly to the General Assembly, as well as the Security Council and ECOSOC. [4]
The relationship between the WTO and the UN was established by an exchanges of letters with the UN Secretary General, a decision of ECOSOC, and noted by a resolution of the UN General Assembly. [4] [7] Unlike the specialized agencies and the IAEA, the WTO has no reporting obligations towards any of the principal organs of the UN, but provides ad-hoc contribution to the work of the General Assembly and ECOSOC. [3] Due to this complex status, [4] sometimes the WTO is not considered to be formally part of the UN System. [9] [10] [11]
The following WMD non-proliferation organizations signed cooperation agreements with the UN modeled on the IAEA agreement. [12] [13] They are not members of the Chief Executives Board (CEB), [1] and report directly to the UN General Assembly. [2]
The World Trade Organization (WTO) is not officially a part of the UN system ...
... the World Trade Organization, which is not part of the UN system.
... the World Trade Organization, which is not part of the UN system.
...agreement between the IAEA and the UN... This agreement has since served as a model for UN agreements with nonproliferation organizations such as the OPCW and the CTBTO
{{
cite journal}}
: Cite journal requires |journal=
(
help)
About TDL comment: misleading text about "sometimes the WTO is not considered ...". It presents the sources about "WTO not considered to be formally part of the UN System". Those are in contrast to the sources elsewhere in the section showing the WTO as one of the UN System organizations ("related organizations", "affiliated organizations", etc.) such as United Nations System of Organizations and others. I don't see what's misleading in that, but we can reword it if needed. Japinderum ( talk) 10:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
United Nations System. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers. — cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 09:32, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
The current diagram drawing File:UN_Institutions2.svg misrepresents the functions of the organisation's organs. The "Secretary General" does NOT implement decisions, he does not wear a blue-helmet or carry a gun, he does not dispense medicine or money, it is not his job to implement policies or agreements made by organs of the UN. He is not an organ of the UN, he is the chief of the secretariat organ of the UN. The reason all nations secretly fear him is because his first job is to prepare the AGENDA of every other UN organ, he can slow or delay or prioritise any issue in any organ like the Security Council, or ICJ; and he can illegally omit issues from the agendas - especially if he uses his other prerogative powers to obscure those issues from the organs involved. His official duties (and reason he is responsible for the agendas) is to prepare all records and documents required by the Charter of the organisation. The "PeaceKeeping Forces" can be controlled either by the Security Council (via Charter chapters 6,7,8,12) or by the General Assembly (via Charter chapter 12 article 85 part 1). Daeron ( talk) 22:27, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
United Nations System article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Seriously, what's difference between United Nations and United Nations System? I mean is UNS a some kind of organization, mere concept or something else? -- Taku 01:33 May 3, 2003 (UTC)
Where does the International Narcotics Control Board fit into this? Rad Racer 05:29, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Whoever is responsible for the construction and the upkeep of this page did an OUSTANDING JOB in the description of THE UN SYSTEM. REVO2 17:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I can't find any source linking WTO with the UN. Unlike the other "Related organizations" that are clearly linked to the UN - the WTO seems to be a completely separate organization (yes, multiple UN agencies are WTO observers and WTO is observer/participant in multiple UN agencies/organizations, but this is different that WTO to be "part of" the UN System). Alinor ( talk) 16:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC) Also, [1], makes differentiation between "WTO" and "the UN Organizations". And I still can't find source showing WTO as a UN System organization. Alinor ( talk) 07:25, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Seems like "United Nations system", with "system" not capitalized, would be more in keeping with WP:MOS. Any objections to moving this article to that technically more correct name? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld ( talk) 02:12, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
As far as I am aware the relationship between the IAEA and the UN is defined not by a UN General Assembly Resolution but by the a formal agreement published by the IAEA as INFCIRC/11. NPguy ( talk) 01:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I propose that we remove unnecessary details from the lede since those are already elaborated on in the respective article sections, namely the complex status of one of the affiliated organizations, the WTO. Also, the current lede wrongly states that all executives are CEB members, but there are some exceptions (see source below). (item1 is current, item2 is proposed text)
The World Trade Organization (WTO) is not officially a part of the UN system ...
... the World Trade Organization, which is not part of the UN system.
... the World Trade Organization, which is not part of the UN system.
Japinderum ( talk) 11:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Regarding this - whether IAEA/WTO and OPCW/CTBO are different according to the sources is discussed here, but in case we don't come to an agreement, then they should be restored to their status quo version. Japinderum ( talk) 11:20, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Per the above I restored the status quo, so that we can discuss here what to do with this section and sandbox. Japinderum ( talk) 10:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Among the United Nations System organizations there are also some with specific affiliation arrangements. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
Some organizations have their relationship with the UN defined by an arrangement different from the agreements between the specialized agencies and the UN, whose agreements are based on Articles 57 and 63 of the United Nations Charter. They are taken for and considered akin to the specialized agencies, [4] [7] [2] [6] and like the other specialized agency's heads, their executives are members of the United Nations System Chief Executives' Board for Coordination (CEB). [4] [8]
The relationship between the IAEA and the UN was established by a resolution of the UN General Assembly. Unlike the specialized agencies which report to ECOSOC, the IAEA reports directly to the General Assembly, as well as the Security Council and ECOSOC. [4]
The relationship between the WTO and the UN was established by an exchanges of letters with the UN Secretary General, a decision of ECOSOC, and noted by a resolution of the UN General Assembly. [4] [7] Unlike the specialized agencies and the IAEA, the WTO has no reporting obligations towards any of the principal organs of the UN, but provides ad-hoc contribution to the work of the General Assembly and ECOSOC. [3] Due to this complex status, [4] sometimes the WTO is not considered to be formally part of the UN System. [9] [10] [11]
The following WMD non-proliferation organizations signed cooperation agreements with the UN modeled on the IAEA agreement. [12] [13] They are not members of the Chief Executives Board (CEB), [1] and report directly to the UN General Assembly. [2]
The World Trade Organization (WTO) is not officially a part of the UN system ...
... the World Trade Organization, which is not part of the UN system.
... the World Trade Organization, which is not part of the UN system.
...agreement between the IAEA and the UN... This agreement has since served as a model for UN agreements with nonproliferation organizations such as the OPCW and the CTBTO
{{
cite journal}}
: Cite journal requires |journal=
(
help)
About TDL comment: misleading text about "sometimes the WTO is not considered ...". It presents the sources about "WTO not considered to be formally part of the UN System". Those are in contrast to the sources elsewhere in the section showing the WTO as one of the UN System organizations ("related organizations", "affiliated organizations", etc.) such as United Nations System of Organizations and others. I don't see what's misleading in that, but we can reword it if needed. Japinderum ( talk) 10:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
United Nations System. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers. — cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 09:32, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
The current diagram drawing File:UN_Institutions2.svg misrepresents the functions of the organisation's organs. The "Secretary General" does NOT implement decisions, he does not wear a blue-helmet or carry a gun, he does not dispense medicine or money, it is not his job to implement policies or agreements made by organs of the UN. He is not an organ of the UN, he is the chief of the secretariat organ of the UN. The reason all nations secretly fear him is because his first job is to prepare the AGENDA of every other UN organ, he can slow or delay or prioritise any issue in any organ like the Security Council, or ICJ; and he can illegally omit issues from the agendas - especially if he uses his other prerogative powers to obscure those issues from the organs involved. His official duties (and reason he is responsible for the agendas) is to prepare all records and documents required by the Charter of the organisation. The "PeaceKeeping Forces" can be controlled either by the Security Council (via Charter chapters 6,7,8,12) or by the General Assembly (via Charter chapter 12 article 85 part 1). Daeron ( talk) 22:27, 3 February 2018 (UTC)