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The article claims without citing any reference that "The Mercedes-Benz G-Class shares some features of the Unimog..." The Steyr-designed G-Wagen has none of the configuration or component features of any generation or size of Unimog. What was intended here, and where is the justification? Brian_abp —Preceding undated comment added 01:21, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi all
Having a little problem with grammar.
I have changed all the "an unimog" to "a unimog" as all the people I have talked to in Britain use it in this way.
Google searches:
News
"an unimog" = 92 results
"a unimog" = 875
All
"an unimog" = 10,800
"a unimog" = 116,000
To me, it is fairly clear.
My own experience of discussing unimogs with people and google search both agree it should be "a unimog"; however, there is a German editor who keeps reverting me.
Any comments? Chaosdruid ( talk) 10:54, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
I wonder how you know a uniform English pronounciation, because I don't. Even English words that aren't names aren't pronounced the same across all English-speaking countries, for instance, either is sometimes pronounced as E-ther, and sometimes as I-ther. The pronounciation of names though typically doesn't depend upon languages. Names are typically names (I'm ignoring titles here). Id est, you cannot pronounce a name in, for instance, English. You can pronounce names correctly, somewhat correctly, or wrongly. It is nothing new that native English speakers tend to struggle with motor vehicle manufacturers' names, but we don't actively have to encourage these mistakes, especially in cases where it is relatively easy to avoid them – I reckon that, saying Uhn-E-mock is not difficult for most people who have a decent knowledge of the English language. Maybe, one day, people in English-speaking countries start saying BAY-EMM-VAY, DIME-lah-BENTS, FOLKS-vahg-N, EMMA-N, PORSCH-huh, Vann-dar-R, E-fah, Vahd-bourk, Trah-BANNT, Shkodd-dah, See-trouh-N, Jee-gouh-lee, Za-porr-roh-jayts… Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 18:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC) Post Scriptum: I'm a person whose name is typically pronounced incorrectly "in English", and it is a nuisance.
Because that is how you pronounce these names. I have met native English speakers who would ask how to pronounce certain names they weren't sure about, which is an expresseion of politeness. There are those who unknowingly make mistakes, which is ignorance, and then there are those don't care at all. Guess what that is. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 07:25, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
The Suzuki Jimny#High altitude world record article includes:
I believe to add this to the article we'd need independent verification via WP:RS. -- Marc Kupper| talk 05:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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The Motorsport section had the following passage, which I have since modified due to several issues:
Unimogs have won the truck class of the Dakar several times in the 1980s, often by accident, as their main purpose is usually to provide support for cars and motorbikes. High-powered factory-sponsored entries of truck companies aiming for the overall win have since taken the laurels, with Unimogs used mainly for service purposes.
First, Unimogs won twice, 1982 and 1986. This may be sufficient for "several times", but it makes the subsequent "often by accident" unsuitable: Either this happened once (not enough for "often"), or twice (and thus always, too much for "often"). Further, disregarding the semantics of "often", the winners of 1982 were regarded as a main competitor in the truck class ( https://web.archive.org/web/20110515053140/http://www.dakar.com/2009/DAK/presentation/docs/histo_1979_2007_us.pdf), so their victory was hardly accidental. Only the 1986 winners were entered as a supporting vehicle, and their win was seen as "unexpected" (same link as above). I still feel "by accident" is a bit much, as they were registered the regular way and drove competitively - this was not a case of "ha, you truck racers, this support crew was actually faster than all of you, so they get the gold!"
I don't know what it *should* say, but "The Unimog (pronunciation in American English: YOU-nuh-mog; British English: YOU-knee-mog; German: [ˈʊnɪmɔk], listenⓘ) is a range of multi-purpose tractors, trucks and lorries that has been..." doesn't look or sound right to me. "The" implies singular, but "a range of" suggests plural.
How about "Unimog" is a brand name...? or "A Unimog is any one of a range of"? Polar Apposite ( talk) 17:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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The article claims without citing any reference that "The Mercedes-Benz G-Class shares some features of the Unimog..." The Steyr-designed G-Wagen has none of the configuration or component features of any generation or size of Unimog. What was intended here, and where is the justification? Brian_abp —Preceding undated comment added 01:21, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi all
Having a little problem with grammar.
I have changed all the "an unimog" to "a unimog" as all the people I have talked to in Britain use it in this way.
Google searches:
News
"an unimog" = 92 results
"a unimog" = 875
All
"an unimog" = 10,800
"a unimog" = 116,000
To me, it is fairly clear.
My own experience of discussing unimogs with people and google search both agree it should be "a unimog"; however, there is a German editor who keeps reverting me.
Any comments? Chaosdruid ( talk) 10:54, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
I wonder how you know a uniform English pronounciation, because I don't. Even English words that aren't names aren't pronounced the same across all English-speaking countries, for instance, either is sometimes pronounced as E-ther, and sometimes as I-ther. The pronounciation of names though typically doesn't depend upon languages. Names are typically names (I'm ignoring titles here). Id est, you cannot pronounce a name in, for instance, English. You can pronounce names correctly, somewhat correctly, or wrongly. It is nothing new that native English speakers tend to struggle with motor vehicle manufacturers' names, but we don't actively have to encourage these mistakes, especially in cases where it is relatively easy to avoid them – I reckon that, saying Uhn-E-mock is not difficult for most people who have a decent knowledge of the English language. Maybe, one day, people in English-speaking countries start saying BAY-EMM-VAY, DIME-lah-BENTS, FOLKS-vahg-N, EMMA-N, PORSCH-huh, Vann-dar-R, E-fah, Vahd-bourk, Trah-BANNT, Shkodd-dah, See-trouh-N, Jee-gouh-lee, Za-porr-roh-jayts… Best regards, -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 18:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC) Post Scriptum: I'm a person whose name is typically pronounced incorrectly "in English", and it is a nuisance.
Because that is how you pronounce these names. I have met native English speakers who would ask how to pronounce certain names they weren't sure about, which is an expresseion of politeness. There are those who unknowingly make mistakes, which is ignorance, and then there are those don't care at all. Guess what that is. -- Johannes ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Articles) 07:25, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
The Suzuki Jimny#High altitude world record article includes:
I believe to add this to the article we'd need independent verification via WP:RS. -- Marc Kupper| talk 05:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
References
The Motorsport section had the following passage, which I have since modified due to several issues:
Unimogs have won the truck class of the Dakar several times in the 1980s, often by accident, as their main purpose is usually to provide support for cars and motorbikes. High-powered factory-sponsored entries of truck companies aiming for the overall win have since taken the laurels, with Unimogs used mainly for service purposes.
First, Unimogs won twice, 1982 and 1986. This may be sufficient for "several times", but it makes the subsequent "often by accident" unsuitable: Either this happened once (not enough for "often"), or twice (and thus always, too much for "often"). Further, disregarding the semantics of "often", the winners of 1982 were regarded as a main competitor in the truck class ( https://web.archive.org/web/20110515053140/http://www.dakar.com/2009/DAK/presentation/docs/histo_1979_2007_us.pdf), so their victory was hardly accidental. Only the 1986 winners were entered as a supporting vehicle, and their win was seen as "unexpected" (same link as above). I still feel "by accident" is a bit much, as they were registered the regular way and drove competitively - this was not a case of "ha, you truck racers, this support crew was actually faster than all of you, so they get the gold!"
I don't know what it *should* say, but "The Unimog (pronunciation in American English: YOU-nuh-mog; British English: YOU-knee-mog; German: [ˈʊnɪmɔk], listenⓘ) is a range of multi-purpose tractors, trucks and lorries that has been..." doesn't look or sound right to me. "The" implies singular, but "a range of" suggests plural.
How about "Unimog" is a brand name...? or "A Unimog is any one of a range of"? Polar Apposite ( talk) 17:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)