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It's an eagle, according to the CF; even the only Air Force site I could find that mentions the device on the CADPAT. SigPig 06:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, as someone who has served in the US military (Air National Guard) and interacted a lot with our (very professional) CF counterparts to the north (you do wonders with 20+ year old CF-18's; some of our best jocks flying brand-new F-16's have got butt-kickings by your people in practice ACM), as well as being a long-time member of the Air Force Association of Canada, forgive my American ignorance on this topic...but does the joining service member who may not be joining a service-specific trade like aircrew, submariner, tank driver, etc, but may be going into a more generalist career field like medical (flight surgeons excepted), clerical etc get any choice in the matter about what "environment" and/or DEU they get? Or when they finish basic training, is it almost arbitrary, like "you get green", "you get blue-grey" or "you get navy blue". Also, is there any switching of uniforms in a CF servicemember's career? Another thing I don't get...in Airforce magazine (excellent read; I wish it were monthly rather than quarterly) it showed a picture of a Major identified as an "Air Reservist"...yet he had a green uniform.-- MarshallStack 06:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I think that clarifies things for me somewhat (thank you)...but I can see why a CO of a "hard" naval, air or army unit would order someone to switch uniforms so they don't look out of place on parade, in formation, etc (I'd think there'd be esprit de corps reasons too). On the CF bases I've visited I've seen all three uniforms on one base and when your personnel are on bases down here fortunately I know your ranks so I know who to salute so as not to get in trouble (however, our Warrant Officers are saluted and I don't think yours are, are they?). That reminds me of a picture I saw a few years ago of the US Navy's "Top Gun" instructors in parade formation; there was a lone USAF officer on exchange with them and he really stuck out in his Air Force blue among all them wearing naval whites. I also remember seeing the Snowbirds (best aerobatic team I've ever seen, including our own USAF Thunderbirds and USN Blue Angels) at an airshow in London, Ont. in the early '90s and one of the support personnel listed in the program was a Leading Seaman...I didn't see him but I would imagine from the title he was wearing a naval uniform despite being in an air unit. By the way, we have our "purple" people too, but most of them are in the Five Sided Loony Bin (the Pentagon) and they already belong to the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines or Coast Guard and hence wear their parent service's uniform. However, sometimes you'll see people from different services on exchange at lower level units wearing their service uniform - happens most often with our "sea services", the Navy, Marines and Coast Guard (example: Marine and Coast Guard units use Navy chaplains, legal and medical personnel).-- MarshallStack 21:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Are we sure the Royal 22e Régiment is wearing a bearskin hat? I think it is wearing a busby.-- BarLaf 15:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Do NCM's in MARCOM get to wear the high-collared Naval summer white dress uniform, or is that reserved for officers only? If so, how do they wear their rank insignia given that the photos I've seen of MARCOM officers in that uniform have "hard" shoulder boards. In the RN, RAN and RNZN, as well as the USN/USCG version here in the States, I think that uniform is reserved for officers (and warrant officers in the USN and USCG, as they are considered officers). When I served in the U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary I was eligible to wear it (with USCG AUX insignia, which is slightly different) but didn't...too expensive.-- MarshallStack 04:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I saw a photo of Prince Charles a few years ago in his role as Honorary Colonel of an "army" (Mobile Command) unit (not sure which one, but I think it was somewhere in western Canada). He was wearing the tan summer uniform (which I saw a Band Branch reservist wearing once in Windsor, Ont. in the early '90s) with the four rings of a Colonel. He was wearing "Canada" nationality titles (in green/gold) instead of the regimental titles, CF bullion-wire pilot wings, and his medals (which included British, Australian and New Zealand medals along with the Canadian Forces Decoration). I think he was wearing Infantry collar dogs, but I'm not sure. However, instead of having the Mobile Command metal pocket badge, he had an embroidered one a few inches below the nationality title on his left arm. Was this usual wear or special wear for him?-- MarshallStack 04:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Canadian policy requires Government approval before an order, decoration or medal can be awarded to one of its citizens. Otherwise, Canada will not recognize the honour, and it cannot be worn with national honours or on a Canadian Forces (CF) uniform;
The policy has been described to all missions accredited to Canada (Foreign Affairs Circular Note No. XDC-0675, 4 February 1988), and is reprinted in A-AD-200-000/AG-000, Chap 2, with further military instructions;
Although the policy requires approval before an award, requests after the fact which explain the presentation circumstances may be considered;
The Sovereign is the fount of all Canadian honours.Therefore, foreign honours must emanate from a similar level, a head of state or government, to be recognized.Awards originated by some other or lower authority are regarded as private honours.These can be accepted as private mementos only. Except for courtesy reasons at the moment of presentation, they cannot be worn with national honours or on a CF uniform;
Canada will only approve honours which recognize meritorious activity. Canada does not engage in exchanges of honours, nor give or receive honours based solely on an individual's status;
Canadian protocol differentiates between orders and decorations (which recognize individual meritorious activity), and campaign and service medals (which recognize honourable participation in some group activity);
Canada does not approve foreign orders and decorations for the normal performance of paid government duty.Thus, requests to award foreign honours to public employees, military or civilian, must explain why the activity to be recognized was outside the paid duties or beyond the norm expected of the individual's rank and experience.Each such request is assessed individually;
For campaign and service medals, a request is assessed on a group basis for all who qualify for the honour. If the request is approved, the decision will guide future requests for the medal;
Nothing in this policy applies to foreign honours properly presented to a country's own citizens.However, after immigration, a Canadian citizen can only wear foreign honours in accordance with Canadian protocol, ie, the honours must emanate from a head of state or government. Michael Dorosh 06:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Should the Scarlet and #4 Dress Uniforms of RMC be mentioned in this article? As regimental standards that have existed since 1876, wouldn't they have a right to be included? ( Psyklek 07:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC))
I've read that when the Canadian Army, Royal Canadian Navy (RCN), and Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) were unified to form the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF), the traditional uniforms were replaced by a single CAF uniform which was the same for all branches, and that a few years later that was changed and now the different branches of the CAF have distinctive uniforms similar to their pre-unification equivalents. Shouldn't this be explained somewhere in the article? Tom 129.93.29.149 03:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
"It is authorised for wear on patrol duties only, by members up to and including the rank of Warrant Officer / Petty Officer 1st Class." - I don't think that's correct; I saw the Naval Provost Marshal in Esquimalt wearing this September past, and she's a Lieutenant-Commander. Methinks I must borrow the Base Chief's copy of the dress manual one weekend, as well as dig out the CANFORGENs... ¥ Jacky Tar 05:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Can officers get their own uniforms? 118.90.6.70 ( talk) 08:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I put a request for a citation on the line stating that the current DEU's do not look much like pre-1968 Army/RCAF/RCN uniforms. The Air Force DEU still looks like an RAF-styled uniform (but with gold accoutrements), especially with the wedge cap, and the Navy DEU shows its descent from the RN. To a member of the CF, the differences are no doubt more apparent, but among the US military, when we work with our Canadian allies and see the crowns, cut, etc. we think "Commonwealth." I would agree with the description of the Army DEU/CF Green; it looks nothing like the pre-'68 Army khaki.-- Locutus1966 ( talk) 21:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Pictures of current combat and non-combat uniforms would be a good addition to the article. NorthernThunder ( talk) 04:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
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Looking back over this article after making a few edits, it strikes me that it can't seem to decide if it's about the current uniforms of the CAF or a history of CF greens and DEU. It seems to me that it needs to be rearranged for easier reading, but I don't want to do that without some input from other readers.
The current structure of the article is:
My observations/questions:
I think the a workable structure for the article would be:
Anyone else have any ideas?
Cadet Pilot ( talk) 02:20, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the beret colours the navy has the black beret while artillery has a dark navy blue beret, they are admittedly hard to differentiate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aran Eldar ( talk • contribs) 04:15, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
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It's an eagle, according to the CF; even the only Air Force site I could find that mentions the device on the CADPAT. SigPig 06:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, as someone who has served in the US military (Air National Guard) and interacted a lot with our (very professional) CF counterparts to the north (you do wonders with 20+ year old CF-18's; some of our best jocks flying brand-new F-16's have got butt-kickings by your people in practice ACM), as well as being a long-time member of the Air Force Association of Canada, forgive my American ignorance on this topic...but does the joining service member who may not be joining a service-specific trade like aircrew, submariner, tank driver, etc, but may be going into a more generalist career field like medical (flight surgeons excepted), clerical etc get any choice in the matter about what "environment" and/or DEU they get? Or when they finish basic training, is it almost arbitrary, like "you get green", "you get blue-grey" or "you get navy blue". Also, is there any switching of uniforms in a CF servicemember's career? Another thing I don't get...in Airforce magazine (excellent read; I wish it were monthly rather than quarterly) it showed a picture of a Major identified as an "Air Reservist"...yet he had a green uniform.-- MarshallStack 06:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I think that clarifies things for me somewhat (thank you)...but I can see why a CO of a "hard" naval, air or army unit would order someone to switch uniforms so they don't look out of place on parade, in formation, etc (I'd think there'd be esprit de corps reasons too). On the CF bases I've visited I've seen all three uniforms on one base and when your personnel are on bases down here fortunately I know your ranks so I know who to salute so as not to get in trouble (however, our Warrant Officers are saluted and I don't think yours are, are they?). That reminds me of a picture I saw a few years ago of the US Navy's "Top Gun" instructors in parade formation; there was a lone USAF officer on exchange with them and he really stuck out in his Air Force blue among all them wearing naval whites. I also remember seeing the Snowbirds (best aerobatic team I've ever seen, including our own USAF Thunderbirds and USN Blue Angels) at an airshow in London, Ont. in the early '90s and one of the support personnel listed in the program was a Leading Seaman...I didn't see him but I would imagine from the title he was wearing a naval uniform despite being in an air unit. By the way, we have our "purple" people too, but most of them are in the Five Sided Loony Bin (the Pentagon) and they already belong to the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines or Coast Guard and hence wear their parent service's uniform. However, sometimes you'll see people from different services on exchange at lower level units wearing their service uniform - happens most often with our "sea services", the Navy, Marines and Coast Guard (example: Marine and Coast Guard units use Navy chaplains, legal and medical personnel).-- MarshallStack 21:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Are we sure the Royal 22e Régiment is wearing a bearskin hat? I think it is wearing a busby.-- BarLaf 15:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Do NCM's in MARCOM get to wear the high-collared Naval summer white dress uniform, or is that reserved for officers only? If so, how do they wear their rank insignia given that the photos I've seen of MARCOM officers in that uniform have "hard" shoulder boards. In the RN, RAN and RNZN, as well as the USN/USCG version here in the States, I think that uniform is reserved for officers (and warrant officers in the USN and USCG, as they are considered officers). When I served in the U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary I was eligible to wear it (with USCG AUX insignia, which is slightly different) but didn't...too expensive.-- MarshallStack 04:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I saw a photo of Prince Charles a few years ago in his role as Honorary Colonel of an "army" (Mobile Command) unit (not sure which one, but I think it was somewhere in western Canada). He was wearing the tan summer uniform (which I saw a Band Branch reservist wearing once in Windsor, Ont. in the early '90s) with the four rings of a Colonel. He was wearing "Canada" nationality titles (in green/gold) instead of the regimental titles, CF bullion-wire pilot wings, and his medals (which included British, Australian and New Zealand medals along with the Canadian Forces Decoration). I think he was wearing Infantry collar dogs, but I'm not sure. However, instead of having the Mobile Command metal pocket badge, he had an embroidered one a few inches below the nationality title on his left arm. Was this usual wear or special wear for him?-- MarshallStack 04:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Canadian policy requires Government approval before an order, decoration or medal can be awarded to one of its citizens. Otherwise, Canada will not recognize the honour, and it cannot be worn with national honours or on a Canadian Forces (CF) uniform;
The policy has been described to all missions accredited to Canada (Foreign Affairs Circular Note No. XDC-0675, 4 February 1988), and is reprinted in A-AD-200-000/AG-000, Chap 2, with further military instructions;
Although the policy requires approval before an award, requests after the fact which explain the presentation circumstances may be considered;
The Sovereign is the fount of all Canadian honours.Therefore, foreign honours must emanate from a similar level, a head of state or government, to be recognized.Awards originated by some other or lower authority are regarded as private honours.These can be accepted as private mementos only. Except for courtesy reasons at the moment of presentation, they cannot be worn with national honours or on a CF uniform;
Canada will only approve honours which recognize meritorious activity. Canada does not engage in exchanges of honours, nor give or receive honours based solely on an individual's status;
Canadian protocol differentiates between orders and decorations (which recognize individual meritorious activity), and campaign and service medals (which recognize honourable participation in some group activity);
Canada does not approve foreign orders and decorations for the normal performance of paid government duty.Thus, requests to award foreign honours to public employees, military or civilian, must explain why the activity to be recognized was outside the paid duties or beyond the norm expected of the individual's rank and experience.Each such request is assessed individually;
For campaign and service medals, a request is assessed on a group basis for all who qualify for the honour. If the request is approved, the decision will guide future requests for the medal;
Nothing in this policy applies to foreign honours properly presented to a country's own citizens.However, after immigration, a Canadian citizen can only wear foreign honours in accordance with Canadian protocol, ie, the honours must emanate from a head of state or government. Michael Dorosh 06:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Should the Scarlet and #4 Dress Uniforms of RMC be mentioned in this article? As regimental standards that have existed since 1876, wouldn't they have a right to be included? ( Psyklek 07:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC))
I've read that when the Canadian Army, Royal Canadian Navy (RCN), and Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) were unified to form the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF), the traditional uniforms were replaced by a single CAF uniform which was the same for all branches, and that a few years later that was changed and now the different branches of the CAF have distinctive uniforms similar to their pre-unification equivalents. Shouldn't this be explained somewhere in the article? Tom 129.93.29.149 03:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
"It is authorised for wear on patrol duties only, by members up to and including the rank of Warrant Officer / Petty Officer 1st Class." - I don't think that's correct; I saw the Naval Provost Marshal in Esquimalt wearing this September past, and she's a Lieutenant-Commander. Methinks I must borrow the Base Chief's copy of the dress manual one weekend, as well as dig out the CANFORGENs... ¥ Jacky Tar 05:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Can officers get their own uniforms? 118.90.6.70 ( talk) 08:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I put a request for a citation on the line stating that the current DEU's do not look much like pre-1968 Army/RCAF/RCN uniforms. The Air Force DEU still looks like an RAF-styled uniform (but with gold accoutrements), especially with the wedge cap, and the Navy DEU shows its descent from the RN. To a member of the CF, the differences are no doubt more apparent, but among the US military, when we work with our Canadian allies and see the crowns, cut, etc. we think "Commonwealth." I would agree with the description of the Army DEU/CF Green; it looks nothing like the pre-'68 Army khaki.-- Locutus1966 ( talk) 21:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Pictures of current combat and non-combat uniforms would be a good addition to the article. NorthernThunder ( talk) 04:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
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Looking back over this article after making a few edits, it strikes me that it can't seem to decide if it's about the current uniforms of the CAF or a history of CF greens and DEU. It seems to me that it needs to be rearranged for easier reading, but I don't want to do that without some input from other readers.
The current structure of the article is:
My observations/questions:
I think the a workable structure for the article would be:
Anyone else have any ideas?
Cadet Pilot ( talk) 02:20, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the beret colours the navy has the black beret while artillery has a dark navy blue beret, they are admittedly hard to differentiate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aran Eldar ( talk • contribs) 04:15, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Unforms of the canadian forces has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 12 § Unforms of the canadian forces until a consensus is reached. — Alalch E. 03:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)