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Could use some help expanding these. They've always been confusing. - OberRanks ( talk) 12:19, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
'Expanding' would have been helpful, deleting and replacing with US equivalents is not. This section is headed Petty Officers and Seamen (not 'enlisted personnel'), and the equivalent ranks listed previously had some equivalence with other European navies. USN ranks are very different. What would be most helpful would be to list both, rather than just USN. Robocon1 ( talk) 14:24, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
How could there be any NATO-equivalent before NATO was founded? NATO rank codes are not based on objective criterions transcending time and space, but on agreements between the NATO member countries. As such they are utterly unsuitable for Nazi Germany. Furthermore non-NATO codes, like OF-5a, have also been introduced. Luke ( talk) 21:04, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Great images. I did not want to lose them, so placed them here. - O.R. Comms 14:29, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
How can you compare anything with a Master Chief Petty Officer, a rank that did not exist during WW2. Luke ( talk) 00:48, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
There were no such rank as Matrosenstabsoberfeldwebel in the Kriegsmarine (nor in any other German speaking navy).
The generic title was just Stabsoberfeldwebel. Luke ( talk) 08:53, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
The generic rank was Feldwebel, not Bootsmann. See the discussion above. Luke ( talk) 21:46, 28 August 2018 (UTC) I have now added some tables that might clear up a few misunderstandings.
Furthermore someone insists on adding ranks and rank structures that did not exist during WW2. Stick to the sources: TM-E30-451. Handbook on German Military Forces. The peculiar use of NATO-codes confuses, of course, but that's no excuse for not sticking to the sources. One can not use US ranks that did not exist during WW2 like Senior Chief Petty Officer, neither can one use rank levels like OR-8, that neither existed. The highest enlisted rank level was Grade 1 which is the same as E-7 today. I have corrected this too; hopefully I don't have to do it again. Luke ( talk) 23:33, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I think its a good idea to remove the NATO codes from this article:
Does someone agree with me? Luke ( talk) 23:46, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
This page and the page Admiral (Germany) seem to contradict each other with regard to if the rank of "Admiral" in the Kriegsmarine was equivalent to an admiral or a vice admiral in other navies. It may be a false comparison (as noted by other comments regarding the use of NATO codes in reference to an organization that pre-dated NATO), but nevertheless there should at least be consistency in articles.-- 130.126.255.78 ( talk) 19:32, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it is a mess. More references are needed. Billsmith60 ( talk) 10:05, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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Could use some help expanding these. They've always been confusing. - OberRanks ( talk) 12:19, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
'Expanding' would have been helpful, deleting and replacing with US equivalents is not. This section is headed Petty Officers and Seamen (not 'enlisted personnel'), and the equivalent ranks listed previously had some equivalence with other European navies. USN ranks are very different. What would be most helpful would be to list both, rather than just USN. Robocon1 ( talk) 14:24, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
How could there be any NATO-equivalent before NATO was founded? NATO rank codes are not based on objective criterions transcending time and space, but on agreements between the NATO member countries. As such they are utterly unsuitable for Nazi Germany. Furthermore non-NATO codes, like OF-5a, have also been introduced. Luke ( talk) 21:04, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Great images. I did not want to lose them, so placed them here. - O.R. Comms 14:29, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
How can you compare anything with a Master Chief Petty Officer, a rank that did not exist during WW2. Luke ( talk) 00:48, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
There were no such rank as Matrosenstabsoberfeldwebel in the Kriegsmarine (nor in any other German speaking navy).
The generic title was just Stabsoberfeldwebel. Luke ( talk) 08:53, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
The generic rank was Feldwebel, not Bootsmann. See the discussion above. Luke ( talk) 21:46, 28 August 2018 (UTC) I have now added some tables that might clear up a few misunderstandings.
Furthermore someone insists on adding ranks and rank structures that did not exist during WW2. Stick to the sources: TM-E30-451. Handbook on German Military Forces. The peculiar use of NATO-codes confuses, of course, but that's no excuse for not sticking to the sources. One can not use US ranks that did not exist during WW2 like Senior Chief Petty Officer, neither can one use rank levels like OR-8, that neither existed. The highest enlisted rank level was Grade 1 which is the same as E-7 today. I have corrected this too; hopefully I don't have to do it again. Luke ( talk) 23:33, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I think its a good idea to remove the NATO codes from this article:
Does someone agree with me? Luke ( talk) 23:46, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
This page and the page Admiral (Germany) seem to contradict each other with regard to if the rank of "Admiral" in the Kriegsmarine was equivalent to an admiral or a vice admiral in other navies. It may be a false comparison (as noted by other comments regarding the use of NATO codes in reference to an organization that pre-dated NATO), but nevertheless there should at least be consistency in articles.-- 130.126.255.78 ( talk) 19:32, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it is a mess. More references are needed. Billsmith60 ( talk) 10:05, 7 June 2022 (UTC)