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The contents of the Unification Church and Judaism page were merged into Unification movement on 18 July 2018. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
I have been working on some of the Unification Church articles to give some information on this sometimes controversial organization in a way the ordinary reader can understand. Some of the articles about it had been written more for insiders. I started this article but I don't want to feel that I "own" it. I also don't want anyone to feel that I am attacking them or telling them what to do. I did try to put information that shows both cooperation and controversy in this article. That seemed like a reasonable thing to do. Borock ( talk) 08:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
The Washington Times is one to the things the Unification Church is best known for. I think some mention of its support for Israel, which has been noted in reliable sources, should be mentioned in the article. Or else you are leaving a big aspect of the topic out. Borock ( talk) 14:45, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Here is a comment I made on the original article Unification Church antisemitism controversy, of which this one seems to be a recreation:
The information was removed from the first article. Thinking it over now it probably should be from this one too. The JDL is a minor group, and has been labeled a terrorist organization by the US government, and (of course) is not representative of the Jewish community. Besides that the sentence with its incitement to violence is probably offensive to both Jews and Unificationists. The country is also supposed to be heading towards a new civility, aren't we? Steve Dufour ( talk) 13:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
"Rubenstein began his tertiary education at Hebrew Union College, which is an institution within the Reform Judaism tradition. He graduated from the University of Cincinnati with a B.A. degree. He then was awarded the Master of Hebrew Literature from the Jewish Theological Seminary of America (Conservative tradition) and was also ordained as a rabbi by that institution." Borock ( talk) 14:32, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
"The Divine Principle, the main textbook of church beliefs, written by Moon and other church members and first published in 1966, is based on the Jewish and Christian Bible, but calls for the unity of all religions. It discusses Judaism and draws parallels between Jewish history, as recorded in the Bible, and later Christian history; controversially saying that Jesus should have been accepted as the Messiah during his lifetime."
The reason I included this in the first place was to show that Unification Church beliefs are ultimately derived from Judaism. I don't see how that is irrelevant to this article. Borock ( talk) 02:05, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
There are other people who could be mentioned in the article. For instance Steven Hassan. His article mentions both that he is Jewish and that he is an important critic of the church. Wolfview ( talk) 06:12, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Two minor points. 1. I did not convert to the UC from Judaism. I was never a practicing Jew in any religious sense, never bar-mitzvahed, and raised by non-theistic parents who were ethnically and culturally Jewish. I suggest the follow language: "Dan Fefferman joined the UC from a culturally Jewish family" or something similar. 2. I prefer "Dan" rather than "Daniel". Thanks for your consideration. 96.255.129.100 ( talk) 04:03, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Dan:
Therefore, per WP:BLP, I'm treating this as "poorly sourced contentious material" and removing it here, until more solid substantiation of either version can be found.
Daniel Fefferman converted to the Unification Church from Judaism in the 1960s as one of its first members in the United States. He has been active on interfaith and religious freedom issues especially those concerning relationships between the church and the Jewish community.<ref name="ire">{{cite news | last =Ribadeneira | first =Diego | title =Ire at school Star of David ruling unites ACLU, Pat Robertson | work =[[The Boston Globe]] | page =B2 | publisher =[[The New York Times Company]] | date =August 21, 1999 }}<nowiki></ref><ref name="gifts">{{cite book | last =Boettcher | first =Robert|coauthors=Gordon L. Freedman | title =[[Gifts of Deceit]] | publisher =Holt, Rinehart and Winston | year =1980 | pages =152, 164 | isbn = 0030445760}}</ref>
Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 05:29, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The article identifies Damian Anderson as a UC webmaster and church spokesman. He is neither. His web site is privately owned and sometimes runs afoul of church policy. He has never worked for the church as a spokesmen. Please update the article by changing his I.D. or removing his statements as representing church policy 74.96.5.235 ( talk) Dan Fefferman
The introduction to this article does not mention the church's responses to the allegations mentioned. Please fix this. 74.96.5.235 ( talk) Dan Fefferman
Almost all the material seems to be the same as the main Unification Church page (which references THIS page for "more information." Either the detain on the larger page should be reduced, or this one should be deleted. 72.77.250.162 ( talk) 23:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
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The contents of the Unification Church and Judaism page were merged into Unification movement on 18 July 2018. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
I have been working on some of the Unification Church articles to give some information on this sometimes controversial organization in a way the ordinary reader can understand. Some of the articles about it had been written more for insiders. I started this article but I don't want to feel that I "own" it. I also don't want anyone to feel that I am attacking them or telling them what to do. I did try to put information that shows both cooperation and controversy in this article. That seemed like a reasonable thing to do. Borock ( talk) 08:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
The Washington Times is one to the things the Unification Church is best known for. I think some mention of its support for Israel, which has been noted in reliable sources, should be mentioned in the article. Or else you are leaving a big aspect of the topic out. Borock ( talk) 14:45, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Here is a comment I made on the original article Unification Church antisemitism controversy, of which this one seems to be a recreation:
The information was removed from the first article. Thinking it over now it probably should be from this one too. The JDL is a minor group, and has been labeled a terrorist organization by the US government, and (of course) is not representative of the Jewish community. Besides that the sentence with its incitement to violence is probably offensive to both Jews and Unificationists. The country is also supposed to be heading towards a new civility, aren't we? Steve Dufour ( talk) 13:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
"Rubenstein began his tertiary education at Hebrew Union College, which is an institution within the Reform Judaism tradition. He graduated from the University of Cincinnati with a B.A. degree. He then was awarded the Master of Hebrew Literature from the Jewish Theological Seminary of America (Conservative tradition) and was also ordained as a rabbi by that institution." Borock ( talk) 14:32, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
"The Divine Principle, the main textbook of church beliefs, written by Moon and other church members and first published in 1966, is based on the Jewish and Christian Bible, but calls for the unity of all religions. It discusses Judaism and draws parallels between Jewish history, as recorded in the Bible, and later Christian history; controversially saying that Jesus should have been accepted as the Messiah during his lifetime."
The reason I included this in the first place was to show that Unification Church beliefs are ultimately derived from Judaism. I don't see how that is irrelevant to this article. Borock ( talk) 02:05, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
There are other people who could be mentioned in the article. For instance Steven Hassan. His article mentions both that he is Jewish and that he is an important critic of the church. Wolfview ( talk) 06:12, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Two minor points. 1. I did not convert to the UC from Judaism. I was never a practicing Jew in any religious sense, never bar-mitzvahed, and raised by non-theistic parents who were ethnically and culturally Jewish. I suggest the follow language: "Dan Fefferman joined the UC from a culturally Jewish family" or something similar. 2. I prefer "Dan" rather than "Daniel". Thanks for your consideration. 96.255.129.100 ( talk) 04:03, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Dan:
Therefore, per WP:BLP, I'm treating this as "poorly sourced contentious material" and removing it here, until more solid substantiation of either version can be found.
Daniel Fefferman converted to the Unification Church from Judaism in the 1960s as one of its first members in the United States. He has been active on interfaith and religious freedom issues especially those concerning relationships between the church and the Jewish community.<ref name="ire">{{cite news | last =Ribadeneira | first =Diego | title =Ire at school Star of David ruling unites ACLU, Pat Robertson | work =[[The Boston Globe]] | page =B2 | publisher =[[The New York Times Company]] | date =August 21, 1999 }}<nowiki></ref><ref name="gifts">{{cite book | last =Boettcher | first =Robert|coauthors=Gordon L. Freedman | title =[[Gifts of Deceit]] | publisher =Holt, Rinehart and Winston | year =1980 | pages =152, 164 | isbn = 0030445760}}</ref>
Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 05:29, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The article identifies Damian Anderson as a UC webmaster and church spokesman. He is neither. His web site is privately owned and sometimes runs afoul of church policy. He has never worked for the church as a spokesmen. Please update the article by changing his I.D. or removing his statements as representing church policy 74.96.5.235 ( talk) Dan Fefferman
The introduction to this article does not mention the church's responses to the allegations mentioned. Please fix this. 74.96.5.235 ( talk) Dan Fefferman
Almost all the material seems to be the same as the main Unification Church page (which references THIS page for "more information." Either the detain on the larger page should be reduced, or this one should be deleted. 72.77.250.162 ( talk) 23:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)