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Borderline Top importance IMHO for "A Sailor's Life" which is a hugely influential song
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Can anyone tell me where this photo was taken please? Bill lenny ( talk) 14:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Matthew Greenwald wrote at Allmusic that "Genesis Hall" is an "exquisite adaptation of an old, Elizabethan folk-based melody with a modernist approach". The review has later been replaced.
Would anybody here happen to know if this is true and which melody it is based on? – Hattrem ( talk) 12:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Describing Genesis Hall as a waltz is kinda bizarre. It may be in three time, but the rhythym is too syncopated and especially Sandy's phrasing too idiosyncratic for a couple in sequins to dance around the room to. Doesn't really sound like an Elizabethan tune, but RT has made some amazing transformations in his time. 212.159.44.170 ( talk) 12:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Currently reviewing Cavie78 ( talk) 12:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
As this is my first GA review I'm going to put on hold and request a second opinion but my thoughts are - it's a really good start but there's a lot to do at this stage to reach GA status. Cavie78 ( talk) 13:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
For a labour of love, I've learned a lot about this album that I really should have known before. However, I hope it's now ready for approval. The lead, I think now gives an overview of the album's history and importance, both of which are addressed in detail in the body. There is little about the recording sessions themselves, and nothing I think adds to the understanding. Have been unable to source any comments from Richard Thompson, despite his pivotal guitar parts, but again, I'm not sure they're necessary. Other commentators have described his input. As for a tour to promote the album, I don't think they did one, being too busy recovering from the crash and writing/finding material for the follow-up. If there are any remaining concerns, please bring them to my attention; meanwhile, I humbly propose this article for GA status. Thanks for all your input. -- Rodhull andemu 00:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
GA review – see
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The review on this album was done a while ago, and doesn't seem to have been covered by the GA Sweep. While reading I noted that some statements were not explained or developed - "marked a further musical move away from American influences". Some statements are made in the lead which are not then picked up in the main body- "arguably reached its peak" and ""A Sailor's Life", is seen as pivotal in the development of English folk rock music." (the track is mention in the body, but not as pivotal in the development of English folk rock music - the song sample is captioned "the extended song in which folk and rock came together" which is unsourced). ""Who Knows Where the Time Goes?", a song covered by many other performers and now regarded as a classic" - not in the main. "the album also marked Sandy Denny's maturation as a singer and songwriter," mentioned in lead, but not explained or further mentioned in the main body.
There is an impression that the writers are aware of material on the album, and have made allusions to this material, but haven't really developed it so that the reader is given the full information. The lead teases with information, but does not satisfy with detail.
The prose is sometimes unclear - "After their previous album had seen original singer Judy Dyble replaced by Sandy Denny, the group's male vocalist Iain Matthews left during the recordings for Unhalfbricking,[4] and Denny took a more central role." Is this saying that Iain Matthews left because Judy Dyble had been replaced by Sandy Denny? Clarity needed.
It's not clear what is the focus of the section called "Music". And following it is a section called "Background" which is mainly about a car crash, and then has a statement that "Dave Swarbrick was invited to join full-time for the follow-up, Liege & Lief." The connection is not immediately apparent.
"The latter track had been a traditional English folk song collected by A. L. Lloyd..." - I think this is just a grammar error.
The article is quite bitty, with snippets of information, and single sentence paragraphs. There's an unfinished feel about it, and a lack of organisation which means it is difficult for the reader to get an easy grasp on what information is being presented.
Sources are tricky with some bands - even for fairly significant albums such as this - so it's pleasing to see that sources have been found, especially ones which can be checked online. However, some links are dead. I have found one source in the wayback machine, and it would be worth checking for others, such as this. I haven't checked all statements yet, though some - such as the statements made in the lead which are not followed up in the body - need sourcing.
The images and sound clips have free use statements - though I am not sure if File:Frompastarchives.jpg has been firmly enough linked to this article. If this is the performance of Si Tu Dois Partir on TOTP, that should be made clear. Also, the appropriate source for the image should be stated.
I think there's a good article to be made out of the available material on this album, but we are not quite there at the moment. I'll inform the significant contributor, User:Rodhullandemu, and see what can be done. SilkTork * YES! 00:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that the review had been completed, since I wasn't notified. There is clearly some work to be done, which I will address perhaps when my current chronic insomnia has been overcome. Meanwhile, I see no rush to close this review one way or the other and it would be somewhat pointless to have it failed and resubmitted all over again. Rodhull andemu 16:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
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* All the start class criteria
Lacks prose, which is depressing as this is actually a well cited article! Just split it up to get up to a b-status! Andrzejbanas ( talk) 01:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC) Now met all critieria, reclassed as B Cavie78 ( talk) 21:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Track times, as given on the back of the UK Island IMCD 293 (Island Re-Masters series) CD, can seen here. Was the original vinyl any different? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 15:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
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Borderline Top importance IMHO for "A Sailor's Life" which is a hugely influential song
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Can anyone tell me where this photo was taken please? Bill lenny ( talk) 14:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Matthew Greenwald wrote at Allmusic that "Genesis Hall" is an "exquisite adaptation of an old, Elizabethan folk-based melody with a modernist approach". The review has later been replaced.
Would anybody here happen to know if this is true and which melody it is based on? – Hattrem ( talk) 12:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Describing Genesis Hall as a waltz is kinda bizarre. It may be in three time, but the rhythym is too syncopated and especially Sandy's phrasing too idiosyncratic for a couple in sequins to dance around the room to. Doesn't really sound like an Elizabethan tune, but RT has made some amazing transformations in his time. 212.159.44.170 ( talk) 12:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Currently reviewing Cavie78 ( talk) 12:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
As this is my first GA review I'm going to put on hold and request a second opinion but my thoughts are - it's a really good start but there's a lot to do at this stage to reach GA status. Cavie78 ( talk) 13:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
For a labour of love, I've learned a lot about this album that I really should have known before. However, I hope it's now ready for approval. The lead, I think now gives an overview of the album's history and importance, both of which are addressed in detail in the body. There is little about the recording sessions themselves, and nothing I think adds to the understanding. Have been unable to source any comments from Richard Thompson, despite his pivotal guitar parts, but again, I'm not sure they're necessary. Other commentators have described his input. As for a tour to promote the album, I don't think they did one, being too busy recovering from the crash and writing/finding material for the follow-up. If there are any remaining concerns, please bring them to my attention; meanwhile, I humbly propose this article for GA status. Thanks for all your input. -- Rodhull andemu 00:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
GA review – see
WP:WIAGA for criteria
The review on this album was done a while ago, and doesn't seem to have been covered by the GA Sweep. While reading I noted that some statements were not explained or developed - "marked a further musical move away from American influences". Some statements are made in the lead which are not then picked up in the main body- "arguably reached its peak" and ""A Sailor's Life", is seen as pivotal in the development of English folk rock music." (the track is mention in the body, but not as pivotal in the development of English folk rock music - the song sample is captioned "the extended song in which folk and rock came together" which is unsourced). ""Who Knows Where the Time Goes?", a song covered by many other performers and now regarded as a classic" - not in the main. "the album also marked Sandy Denny's maturation as a singer and songwriter," mentioned in lead, but not explained or further mentioned in the main body.
There is an impression that the writers are aware of material on the album, and have made allusions to this material, but haven't really developed it so that the reader is given the full information. The lead teases with information, but does not satisfy with detail.
The prose is sometimes unclear - "After their previous album had seen original singer Judy Dyble replaced by Sandy Denny, the group's male vocalist Iain Matthews left during the recordings for Unhalfbricking,[4] and Denny took a more central role." Is this saying that Iain Matthews left because Judy Dyble had been replaced by Sandy Denny? Clarity needed.
It's not clear what is the focus of the section called "Music". And following it is a section called "Background" which is mainly about a car crash, and then has a statement that "Dave Swarbrick was invited to join full-time for the follow-up, Liege & Lief." The connection is not immediately apparent.
"The latter track had been a traditional English folk song collected by A. L. Lloyd..." - I think this is just a grammar error.
The article is quite bitty, with snippets of information, and single sentence paragraphs. There's an unfinished feel about it, and a lack of organisation which means it is difficult for the reader to get an easy grasp on what information is being presented.
Sources are tricky with some bands - even for fairly significant albums such as this - so it's pleasing to see that sources have been found, especially ones which can be checked online. However, some links are dead. I have found one source in the wayback machine, and it would be worth checking for others, such as this. I haven't checked all statements yet, though some - such as the statements made in the lead which are not followed up in the body - need sourcing.
The images and sound clips have free use statements - though I am not sure if File:Frompastarchives.jpg has been firmly enough linked to this article. If this is the performance of Si Tu Dois Partir on TOTP, that should be made clear. Also, the appropriate source for the image should be stated.
I think there's a good article to be made out of the available material on this album, but we are not quite there at the moment. I'll inform the significant contributor, User:Rodhullandemu, and see what can be done. SilkTork * YES! 00:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that the review had been completed, since I wasn't notified. There is clearly some work to be done, which I will address perhaps when my current chronic insomnia has been overcome. Meanwhile, I see no rush to close this review one way or the other and it would be somewhat pointless to have it failed and resubmitted all over again. Rodhull andemu 16:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Unhalfbricking/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
* All the start class criteria
Lacks prose, which is depressing as this is actually a well cited article! Just split it up to get up to a b-status! Andrzejbanas ( talk) 01:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC) Now met all critieria, reclassed as B Cavie78 ( talk) 21:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Track times, as given on the back of the UK Island IMCD 293 (Island Re-Masters series) CD, can seen here. Was the original vinyl any different? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 15:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)