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Is there a source for "Sans Cheulunel"? They don't show up anywhere but here. 66.87.139.130 ( talk) 13:25, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm just asking, but are there any plans to expand it further, or are you guys are leaving it as is?
Regards, 182.18.228.165 ( talk) 10:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
First, I'm not sure "tobyfox" is really some alternate name for Fox, it's pretty much just his name spelt without spaces or capital letters. The use of " pseudonym" at least is probably worth changing. I'd advocate just using his real name, as it's the one the sources constantly use in actual articles. But otherwise, I find it's just confusing to have it separate like this. When we talk about him as a developer, will we refer to him as one name, and then elsewhere as another? There's no difference, it is the exact same person, and to vary between them just results in a misleading article. There's no reason to insist on using a pseudonym for one field and a real name elsewhere, where there is no functional difference between them. – The Millionth One ( talk) ( contribs) 22:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
There is a LOT of potential for confusion here. For those who have not played or completed Undertale: at the start of the game, the player is prompted to "Name the Fallen Human". The idea (confirmed by Toby on his twitter) is that the player enters their own name or nickname, thus the player is referenced by name throughout the game by all of the characters. The 'default' name is stated to be 'Chara' here - again, confirmed by Toby on his twitter.
Now, in the game's finale it is revealed that the character being controlled by the player is actually called 'Frisk' - the 'Fallen Human' (i.e. 'Chara') is another human that previously fell into the Underground and was adopted by the King and Queen, but died. This human is suggested to be near-identical in appearance to the main character - at one point it is stated that they even have "Similar fashion sense".
It's clearly intended as a subversion of expectations by Toby; it unfortunately creates a lot of confusion when trying to write a plot synopsis! Do we talk about 'Frisk' throughout the section and therefore necessitate the explanation of a very complex revelation right from the start, or do we talk about 'The Player' and risk confusing readers when the main character turns out to have been someone else entirely?!
I think there should also be something in there about the player's prompting to name the 'Fallen Human', how it uses this name throughout the game despite being incorrect, and how this turns out to be the name of the character that is, essentially, the antagonist (Asriel/Flowey's previously good nature having been twisted as a result of their actions). I think here it is safe to state that the 'default' name is 'Chara' and use that when referencing that character throughout... but again, if we imply 'Chara' to be the character controlled throughout the game, even if the player themselves are held under that false assumption, we are going to end up seriously confusing a new reader.
I've taken care so far to simply refer to "The Player" instead of Frisk or Chara - the latter being the assumed character name, the former being the true character name, as that seemed the safest method, but it still results in a lot of muddled explanation in the end.
Personally I'm leaning towards being upfront about the reveal from the start. While it's somewhat of a spoiler and it's nice to present the narrative as the author intended when we can, on wikipedia I think we need to prioritise being informative and unambiguous. I also feel like a character section may assist here. Tau4 ( talk) 09:10, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Chara is one of the lost souls that have become a brute demon and has returned for revenge for her demise Correctguy75 ( talk) 23:21, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
This article would really benefit from the inclusion of pictures. If there can be a picture of the battle system and the overworld, it would describe how the game looks in far better terms that just text. If any of you folks can retrieve and license a picture, can you? Thank you. -- Kiyoshiendo ( talk) 23:01, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Came here vie that reassessment request in the talk page template; reassessing this article as B-class. Some ideas for improvement follow: (Note that I'm only going to skim the plot section, as I've been meaning to play this and haven't yet)
There's been some minor editing about whether or not the all-kills route is called "no mercy" or "genocide". A lot of fan sites call it genocide, though some sites also call it no mercy. If there's a notable source as to which is which, can you please edit it in? Thank you. -- Kiyoshiendo ( talk) 19:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
We don't actually have to name the routes. We can just describe them, like, "if the player does action A, [summary of what happens]. If they instead do action B, [summary of what happens]." And we don't need to have separate sections for different routes, either. Look at articles like Shin Megami Tensei IV - all three routes are described in a single section, in less than 700 words (623 in this case). That's what we should be aiming for. I'd like to help out, but I haven't actually played Undertale yet, and would prefer to not know the game's plot beforehand.-- IDV talk 05:52, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
There's a lot of messing around (in a good sense!) with the plot section right now so I decided not to do this right now, though I will once again make an attempt to trim it down...
I did, however, have an idea to try and clean things up a bit: since a large part of the plot section is due to the detail going into the ending subsections - which is also causing a little confusion, I feel, as there are now suddenly parts in the ending subsections that assume knowledge of the plot that isn't actually written beforehand?
Maybe we can justify having a separate section, after Plot, for the endings. I have seen this on other articles for games with multiple endings; this way, we can provide all the key plot details in the 'Plot' section and then go on to state the differences that occur in how it is presented to the player, dependent on the ending.
This way we can also have a more logical presentation of plot points, with no accidental referencing to details that only appear further down the page. Keeping the article "Flow", as it were. Tau4 ( talk) 14:40, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
As you've probably seen I've been having a fun old time making little edits to grammar and wording, sentence structure, all that jazz. I'm a writer at heart! Through doing this I have also noticed some repeated patterns in the writing that can make it read a little poorly and, while perfectly factual additions, disrupt the flow of the article somewhat... Just making a handful of suggestions here for people to consider:
I have a sneaky suspicion that this page is going to get repeated additions of Fancruft to its plot that shouldn't be there. Any ideas on tackling the issue? GamerPro64 16:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
So Toby won an award for Best Debut Game at the Fun and Serious Game Festival, as seen on his twitter page. I figured it would be appropriate to add this to the awards section on the Wikipedia, but I have no real experience in proper page writing or editing here. So, I figured I'd post this more as a heads up and hope that someone who more expertise can come around and add it - assuming it's even relevant enough, or that there's even enough cite-able resources available to add this to the page. Mygames19 ( talk) 06:47, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
IGN gave the game those two awards ( PC GOTY, Best Story). Could someone add that to the chart of awards? Cookieo131 ( talk) 08:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
UnderTale is credited for GameFAQs "Best. Game. Ever." award, when it is heavily speculated that in the semi-finals of the competition against Super Smash Brothers Melee, fans of both games were using bots to win the poll. And also, should a fanpoll on a forum site really be classed as an award? Especially on the top of the table. 94.10.161.9 ( talk) 20:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
While I don't know Japanese, I know of places which may have people who are interested in writing a Japanese language article about this game. However... I would like to wait until I have information from reliable sources, such as:
Since tobyfox released the demo in Korean I requested, and received, the Korean language article: ko:언더테일 WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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Please change: "Frisk then easily kills Asgore and Flowey" because Flowey kills Asgore, not Frisk. This is shown on the page: http://undertale.wikia.com/wiki/Genocide_Route where the source states: "The protagonist then proceeds to attack Asgore, depleting all his health in one hit. Flowey finishes Asgore off" Bewilderbeast23 ( talk) 00:05, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
I have no idea how to cite dialogue in a page. I remember some older articles citing dialogue in a game, so I figured I could do that.
It's for the Judgement section where Sans explains what LOVE and EXP mean in-universe;
Sans: "You will be judged for your every action. You will be judged for every EXP you've earned. What's EXP? It's an acronym. It stands for 'execution points.' A way of quantifying the pain you have inflicted on others. When you kill someone, your EXP increases. When you have enough EXP, your LOVE increases. LOVE, too, is an acronym. It stands for 'Level of Violence.' A way of measuring someone's capacity to hurt. The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself. The more you distance yourself, the less you will hurt. The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others."
You may modify the quote if necessary, but that's pretty much transcribed from the game to the best of my ability. Please and thanks. 114.108.242.2 ( talk) 08:55, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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The facts explained in the plot are incorrect such as the fact that it did not include the seven wizards sealing them underground or the fact that it does not explain chara well and does not include anything about the six other human souls and does not include anything about the relationship between Chara and Asriel or the fact that Chara also poisoned Asgore. It also doesn't explain Toriel and Asgore's relationship. I can fix all of this, so please let me edit it. Please let me,Crabpotato fix it. Crabpotato ( talk) 21:14, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
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Hello. The word Dreemurr is misspelled. 46.13.183.213 ( talk) 16:25, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
At least two separate articles from RSes [1] [2] (as well as potentially [3]) should let us include a short clip of "Hopes & Dreams" to highlight the music in the game. -- MASEM ( t) 15:37, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
I found an article which reveals a Nintendo Wii U port as well as an interview which reveals things about the creation of the game. Both which may be of use. Vexthesmol ( talk) 14:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
So, I've been trying to find sources for them. However, I cannot find anything that supports "Pacifist Run" being an informal term (journalists who refer to it tend to just say "the pacifist run" without pointing out that it isn't the official name), and I can't find anything that says that "level" often is abbreviated as "lv" in RPGs. What do we do about these? Should we just remove the notes altogether?-- IDV talk 21:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
"Chara" is mentioned here, but it's a very brief passing mention within a list of minor characters, so I doubt it warrants inclusion. – Rhain ☔ 23:09, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
The genocide and no mercy runs are different - no mercy is killing all monsters encountered, however genocide is a no mercy run where all monsters are encountered (and killed). Should this be outlined in the 'Plot' section, or does it go into too much detail? (The no mercy and genocide endings are different). -- IAmADodo ( talk) 18:20, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
We should add some explanations about hard mode. -- Halfkimoon ( talk) 12:10, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of the main description, the word "cyclinically" is used. I believe whoever wrote this meant to use the word "Cyclically" and not "cyclinically". "cyclinically" is not a word. Will someone please fix this? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.33.139 ( talk) 22:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
You should have a spoiler warning over the "plot" section, as it contains major spoilers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.157.153 ( talk) 20:31, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
I assumed this was a joke edit, but it seems to have been on here for a while. Are there any sources for the claim that Mr. Bean was one of the inspirations for the game? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:180:8100:7AD7:E557:2562:485E:5D2C ( talk) 20:20, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Undertale wasn't inspired by any of these. It was Earthbound that inspired Fox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.69.167.104 ( talk) 23:31, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
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The plot is very gummed up and lacks many important details. I would like to change that.
TheNavyShadow ( talk) 23:54, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Not done It is a very complex story and trying to cover all details of it would be against WP's policy of avoiding long plot sections. It is sufficiently concise to explain the broad picture. --
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I have seen something missing i was going to add "secret endings" to the gameplay section.
Neosporinsucks ( talk) 03:54, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
So, I just noticed a flaw in the plot. I'm not able to edit to change this, but the article says that the war was started because Asriel was killed by the humans when he tried to return Chara's body to her village, when that's entirely inaccurate. The war didn't happen after Asriel and Chara, it even says so in the intro. Long ago there was a war, many lears later small child falls down hole. On top of that, the whole reason Chara died was because she killed herself so Asriel could absorb her soul, then get six other souls and free everyone and destroy humanity. There is no possible way for the war to happen after Chara and Asriel. Can someone who is able to edit the article change that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JosieAlyvia ( talk • contribs) 06:00, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
I take issue with the use of a review from Breitbart in the reception section. Not sure who added it in, but the language it uses, such as "cringy", is not that of a professional game reviewer. The site itself is known for its unreliable news content, and I am not sure why people writing reviews for them should not be covered under that. The review's language would be unacceptable for any mainstream game journalism outlet. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 03:43, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
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123.136.111.54 ( talk) 08:22, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Should we add something about any of the character? Although it would be hard not to spoil the game. Vexthesmol ( talk) 03:19, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't see the need to archive that page. it also contains some relevant and useful talk and Q/A. The archived page should be revived. WarriorFISH ( talk) 00:35, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
While we do refer to the fallen human as Chara in the Undertale Wiki, I believe it's less confusing for readers if this page referred to the fallen human simply as "fallen human". New players (not counting those that know about it) of Undertale don't usually choose "Chara" as their name so they would never encounter that name on their first, second, etc. run until they actually find out who Chara is somewhere on the Internet.
And no, this isn't an edit request, it's a question. I don't know how are things handled on Wikipedia most of the time so I'd rather ask on the talkpage if something should be changed than request from somebody to change it and get possibly rejected.
Should the latest edit to the page be reverted/reworded? KockaAdmiralac ( talk) 22:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Is there any reason there isn't a tracklist in the "Music" section? Was there ever a tracklist? If so, did it get removed? If there isn't any reason for exempting a tracklist, I'll go ahead and add one. The Verified Cactus 100% 21:04, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I think this article might have enough notability for it to be a featured article. Who wants to support a possible nomination? jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 22:03, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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Reading through this again, I have noticed several instances in the plot section of the article where the information is simply incorrect.
"One day, Chara fatally poisoned themself by drinking a tea made from poisonous golden flowers" Chara poisoned themself with buttercups, not golden flowers, and there was no mention of tea. [1] [2] In fact, golden flower tea is shown to not be poisonous, as both the human and Asgore are known to drink it at one point. [3]
"It is revealed that Asriel was reincarnated as Flowey, created by Alphys as a vessel of determination (the power that allows Frisk and Flowey to save game files in order to resurrect) as well as an intended surprise for Asgore." Not specific enough, or rather a little misleading. Alphys did not accidentally create Flowey to be a "vessel of determination", but rather to become a vessel for both human and monster souls, something which did require the use of Determination, but having Determination was not the primary goal. [4]
"Flowey ambushes the group, using the souls of all the monsters to take an older Asriel's form to fight the human and initiate an Apocalypse." Unclear where the term "Apocalypse" comes from, as that word is not mentioned even once in the entire text of the game. [5] The capitalization of the term makes it seem like an important, canonical term, when it is clearly not.
"Chara materializes before the player after Flowey is killed and explains that they were resurrected by the player's LOVE." It cannot have been the human's LOVE that awakened Chara from death, as they imply that they were alongside the human, learning from them, and eventually deciding to help them. The human only gained a high enough LOVE to trigger this ending of the game after Chara's presence had been hinted at and now implied by Chara, themself. [6]
In the second half of the plot section, the term "the player" starts being used interchangeably with "the human/Frisk". However, in the game's universe, no "player" is ever mentioned, and all mentions of the player in the second half of the article can easily be replaced with "the human". After all, it is the human who does everything in the game and even sells their soul, as it is used in the first half of the article.
Some of the wording choice in this part of the article could also use work, such as "determination (the power that allows Frisk and Flowey to save game files in order to resurrect)" ("the power that allows Frisk and Flowey to come back from death and reset the timeline" would be a better definition, for one) or "Asgore's castle, which contains the path (blocked by the barrier) leading to the surface world." ("which contains the only exit out of the Underground" would be more accurate). I think the article could use more language from the game itself in such places.
I also think the section on the Genocide Run could be expanded upon, as it is rather short compared to the other two runs referenced, and could use more information from Chara's explanatory monologue, for instance.
In short, I feel this part of the article is in need of some editing to make it more accurate and avoid falsities and misleading (not to toot my own horn, but I would gladly try my hand at getting it up to a higher standard if the semi-protection did not bar me from doing that, as I am dedicated to the facts of the game and am well-versed in its canon, along with having sources to quote if necessary).
PC012 ( talk) 00:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
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The french Nintendo Direct Showed that UnderTale for Nintendo Switch is coming 8th april. Clem789 ( talk) 19:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Does anybody else think this page needs a section for characters? Maximajorian Viridio ( talk) 02:37, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, as said before, undertale will be on th switch. in the French Nintendo Direct, at the end of the Undertale announcment, there are 8-4 written at top left of the screen. That means tha Undertale will be on switch at 4th August. Clem789 ( talk) 10:27, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
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115.187.62.65 ( talk) 10:50, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Change Switch release to September 15 for Japan.
It's ideal to have a definitive, identifying image as a lead image that "illustrate[s] the topic specifically" and "give readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page." A simple display of a logo isn't enough to satisfy this, I don't think, since it doesn't show anything about the game itself. The official packaging artwork does however, which clearly displays the game's unique setting and art style. A similar consensus was made in the Rocket League article for its lead image, which replaced a simple display of a logo with an official box art that showcases the game immediately to a reader. – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 21:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
It was confirmed in today's Nindies showcase that Undertale will release on switch in September 18, 2018, so... Serouj2000 ( talk) 16:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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Deltarune's october 31th's reveal is being considered as a whole game by itself, while it is explicitly only the first chapter (see Deltarune's website as source). Also, the 1st chapter itself says that Toby Fox is working on the rest of the game and will be releasing it in the future (check the library computer's lab at the end of the game). Murazaki ( talk) 13:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
As mentioned in the section, Deltarune isn't related to the Undertale besides some easter eggs. I believe that it should be in a separate section other than the "Release" section, preferably "Spiritual Successor", however it's not confirmed to be a spiritual successor. Nevertheless, it doesn't belong in the Release section. WikiBrainHead ( talk) 03:37, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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I request to fix grammatical errors regarding lower-case letters being in place of capital letters. Esteamerror ( talk) 23:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm starting this talk section as suggested by Ferret's latest edit (Feb 16, 2019), which reverted my changes to the plot section.
A few months ago, I expanded the plot section by essentially rewriting the whole thing. During this rewrite, I removed some elements that included spoilers and information about the game's multiple endings.
What I want to clarify is that I did not remove these elements *because* they were spoilers or endings. I removed them as part of my effort to streamline the discussion of the game's plot in a way that is readable, engaging and that raises the quality of the article. I don't care about keeping the article spoiler-free and my rewrite of the plot section kept many spoilers intact.
Other editors keep re-modifying the plot section in a way that tries to bastardize details about the game's plot to fit into two jumbled up sentences. I am asking for that to stop. Either take your time to describe the game's plot with the detail and nuance that it deserves, or don't. Insisting on summarizing the game's endings and secrets in two sentences transforms the article's plot section into a cringeworthy read that does not accurately reflect the game's true plot progression or substance in any way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaepora~enwiki ( talk • contribs) 19:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
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167.21.42.21 ( talk) 14:28, 22 February 2019 (UTC)undertale acually was based off of homestuck
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Cacdcdamcd ( talk) 14:33, 22 February 2019 (UTC) undertale is a awesome game it is availble on many consoles and yucan play it anywhere
In regards to this edit @ Masem:
My understanding is that it's standard to tag a video game with its country of origin, as a Japanese-published videogame would be tagged with WikiProject Japan, and one published from France would be tagged with the French WikiProject. The creator is American and it was self-published from the United States. WhisperToMe ( talk) 06:00, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
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Change "Frisk must first give their soul to the fallen human child in exchange for restoring the universe." to "THE PLAYER must first give their soul to the fallen human child in exchange for restoring the universe." Jordan Biordi ( talk) 15:26, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
There are actually multiple developers in undertale, please edit developer(s) section Cks10491 ( talk) 11:55, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
It's been released, not just revealed Cks10491 ( talk) 11:58, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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I wish to add sentence to the plot section that I believe is relevant and helpful. Bwajuka ( talk) 14:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Right now it reads "Sans, one of several monsters within Undertale", which doesn't seem to justify the character's notability. It used mention him being an internet icon, but I removed that statement as it was unsourced. Should we re-add that statement and find a source for it, or rephrase the caption in another way that justifies the image's inclusion?-- Megaman en m ( talk) 20:17, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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Change "in which Frisk becomes influenced by the malevolent spirit of the fallen human child whose body Asriel attempted to return." to "in which Frisk is assisted by Chara, the first fallen human child whose body Asriel attempted to return to the surface." Casualguy69 ( talk) 19:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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Is there a source for "Sans Cheulunel"? They don't show up anywhere but here. 66.87.139.130 ( talk) 13:25, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm just asking, but are there any plans to expand it further, or are you guys are leaving it as is?
Regards, 182.18.228.165 ( talk) 10:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
First, I'm not sure "tobyfox" is really some alternate name for Fox, it's pretty much just his name spelt without spaces or capital letters. The use of " pseudonym" at least is probably worth changing. I'd advocate just using his real name, as it's the one the sources constantly use in actual articles. But otherwise, I find it's just confusing to have it separate like this. When we talk about him as a developer, will we refer to him as one name, and then elsewhere as another? There's no difference, it is the exact same person, and to vary between them just results in a misleading article. There's no reason to insist on using a pseudonym for one field and a real name elsewhere, where there is no functional difference between them. – The Millionth One ( talk) ( contribs) 22:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
There is a LOT of potential for confusion here. For those who have not played or completed Undertale: at the start of the game, the player is prompted to "Name the Fallen Human". The idea (confirmed by Toby on his twitter) is that the player enters their own name or nickname, thus the player is referenced by name throughout the game by all of the characters. The 'default' name is stated to be 'Chara' here - again, confirmed by Toby on his twitter.
Now, in the game's finale it is revealed that the character being controlled by the player is actually called 'Frisk' - the 'Fallen Human' (i.e. 'Chara') is another human that previously fell into the Underground and was adopted by the King and Queen, but died. This human is suggested to be near-identical in appearance to the main character - at one point it is stated that they even have "Similar fashion sense".
It's clearly intended as a subversion of expectations by Toby; it unfortunately creates a lot of confusion when trying to write a plot synopsis! Do we talk about 'Frisk' throughout the section and therefore necessitate the explanation of a very complex revelation right from the start, or do we talk about 'The Player' and risk confusing readers when the main character turns out to have been someone else entirely?!
I think there should also be something in there about the player's prompting to name the 'Fallen Human', how it uses this name throughout the game despite being incorrect, and how this turns out to be the name of the character that is, essentially, the antagonist (Asriel/Flowey's previously good nature having been twisted as a result of their actions). I think here it is safe to state that the 'default' name is 'Chara' and use that when referencing that character throughout... but again, if we imply 'Chara' to be the character controlled throughout the game, even if the player themselves are held under that false assumption, we are going to end up seriously confusing a new reader.
I've taken care so far to simply refer to "The Player" instead of Frisk or Chara - the latter being the assumed character name, the former being the true character name, as that seemed the safest method, but it still results in a lot of muddled explanation in the end.
Personally I'm leaning towards being upfront about the reveal from the start. While it's somewhat of a spoiler and it's nice to present the narrative as the author intended when we can, on wikipedia I think we need to prioritise being informative and unambiguous. I also feel like a character section may assist here. Tau4 ( talk) 09:10, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Chara is one of the lost souls that have become a brute demon and has returned for revenge for her demise Correctguy75 ( talk) 23:21, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
This article would really benefit from the inclusion of pictures. If there can be a picture of the battle system and the overworld, it would describe how the game looks in far better terms that just text. If any of you folks can retrieve and license a picture, can you? Thank you. -- Kiyoshiendo ( talk) 23:01, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Came here vie that reassessment request in the talk page template; reassessing this article as B-class. Some ideas for improvement follow: (Note that I'm only going to skim the plot section, as I've been meaning to play this and haven't yet)
There's been some minor editing about whether or not the all-kills route is called "no mercy" or "genocide". A lot of fan sites call it genocide, though some sites also call it no mercy. If there's a notable source as to which is which, can you please edit it in? Thank you. -- Kiyoshiendo ( talk) 19:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
We don't actually have to name the routes. We can just describe them, like, "if the player does action A, [summary of what happens]. If they instead do action B, [summary of what happens]." And we don't need to have separate sections for different routes, either. Look at articles like Shin Megami Tensei IV - all three routes are described in a single section, in less than 700 words (623 in this case). That's what we should be aiming for. I'd like to help out, but I haven't actually played Undertale yet, and would prefer to not know the game's plot beforehand.-- IDV talk 05:52, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
There's a lot of messing around (in a good sense!) with the plot section right now so I decided not to do this right now, though I will once again make an attempt to trim it down...
I did, however, have an idea to try and clean things up a bit: since a large part of the plot section is due to the detail going into the ending subsections - which is also causing a little confusion, I feel, as there are now suddenly parts in the ending subsections that assume knowledge of the plot that isn't actually written beforehand?
Maybe we can justify having a separate section, after Plot, for the endings. I have seen this on other articles for games with multiple endings; this way, we can provide all the key plot details in the 'Plot' section and then go on to state the differences that occur in how it is presented to the player, dependent on the ending.
This way we can also have a more logical presentation of plot points, with no accidental referencing to details that only appear further down the page. Keeping the article "Flow", as it were. Tau4 ( talk) 14:40, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
As you've probably seen I've been having a fun old time making little edits to grammar and wording, sentence structure, all that jazz. I'm a writer at heart! Through doing this I have also noticed some repeated patterns in the writing that can make it read a little poorly and, while perfectly factual additions, disrupt the flow of the article somewhat... Just making a handful of suggestions here for people to consider:
I have a sneaky suspicion that this page is going to get repeated additions of Fancruft to its plot that shouldn't be there. Any ideas on tackling the issue? GamerPro64 16:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
So Toby won an award for Best Debut Game at the Fun and Serious Game Festival, as seen on his twitter page. I figured it would be appropriate to add this to the awards section on the Wikipedia, but I have no real experience in proper page writing or editing here. So, I figured I'd post this more as a heads up and hope that someone who more expertise can come around and add it - assuming it's even relevant enough, or that there's even enough cite-able resources available to add this to the page. Mygames19 ( talk) 06:47, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
IGN gave the game those two awards ( PC GOTY, Best Story). Could someone add that to the chart of awards? Cookieo131 ( talk) 08:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
UnderTale is credited for GameFAQs "Best. Game. Ever." award, when it is heavily speculated that in the semi-finals of the competition against Super Smash Brothers Melee, fans of both games were using bots to win the poll. And also, should a fanpoll on a forum site really be classed as an award? Especially on the top of the table. 94.10.161.9 ( talk) 20:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
While I don't know Japanese, I know of places which may have people who are interested in writing a Japanese language article about this game. However... I would like to wait until I have information from reliable sources, such as:
Since tobyfox released the demo in Korean I requested, and received, the Korean language article: ko:언더테일 WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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Please change: "Frisk then easily kills Asgore and Flowey" because Flowey kills Asgore, not Frisk. This is shown on the page: http://undertale.wikia.com/wiki/Genocide_Route where the source states: "The protagonist then proceeds to attack Asgore, depleting all his health in one hit. Flowey finishes Asgore off" Bewilderbeast23 ( talk) 00:05, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
I have no idea how to cite dialogue in a page. I remember some older articles citing dialogue in a game, so I figured I could do that.
It's for the Judgement section where Sans explains what LOVE and EXP mean in-universe;
Sans: "You will be judged for your every action. You will be judged for every EXP you've earned. What's EXP? It's an acronym. It stands for 'execution points.' A way of quantifying the pain you have inflicted on others. When you kill someone, your EXP increases. When you have enough EXP, your LOVE increases. LOVE, too, is an acronym. It stands for 'Level of Violence.' A way of measuring someone's capacity to hurt. The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself. The more you distance yourself, the less you will hurt. The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others."
You may modify the quote if necessary, but that's pretty much transcribed from the game to the best of my ability. Please and thanks. 114.108.242.2 ( talk) 08:55, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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The facts explained in the plot are incorrect such as the fact that it did not include the seven wizards sealing them underground or the fact that it does not explain chara well and does not include anything about the six other human souls and does not include anything about the relationship between Chara and Asriel or the fact that Chara also poisoned Asgore. It also doesn't explain Toriel and Asgore's relationship. I can fix all of this, so please let me edit it. Please let me,Crabpotato fix it. Crabpotato ( talk) 21:14, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
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Hello. The word Dreemurr is misspelled. 46.13.183.213 ( talk) 16:25, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
At least two separate articles from RSes [1] [2] (as well as potentially [3]) should let us include a short clip of "Hopes & Dreams" to highlight the music in the game. -- MASEM ( t) 15:37, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
I found an article which reveals a Nintendo Wii U port as well as an interview which reveals things about the creation of the game. Both which may be of use. Vexthesmol ( talk) 14:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
So, I've been trying to find sources for them. However, I cannot find anything that supports "Pacifist Run" being an informal term (journalists who refer to it tend to just say "the pacifist run" without pointing out that it isn't the official name), and I can't find anything that says that "level" often is abbreviated as "lv" in RPGs. What do we do about these? Should we just remove the notes altogether?-- IDV talk 21:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
"Chara" is mentioned here, but it's a very brief passing mention within a list of minor characters, so I doubt it warrants inclusion. – Rhain ☔ 23:09, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
The genocide and no mercy runs are different - no mercy is killing all monsters encountered, however genocide is a no mercy run where all monsters are encountered (and killed). Should this be outlined in the 'Plot' section, or does it go into too much detail? (The no mercy and genocide endings are different). -- IAmADodo ( talk) 18:20, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
We should add some explanations about hard mode. -- Halfkimoon ( talk) 12:10, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of the main description, the word "cyclinically" is used. I believe whoever wrote this meant to use the word "Cyclically" and not "cyclinically". "cyclinically" is not a word. Will someone please fix this? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.33.139 ( talk) 22:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
You should have a spoiler warning over the "plot" section, as it contains major spoilers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.157.153 ( talk) 20:31, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
I assumed this was a joke edit, but it seems to have been on here for a while. Are there any sources for the claim that Mr. Bean was one of the inspirations for the game? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:180:8100:7AD7:E557:2562:485E:5D2C ( talk) 20:20, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Undertale wasn't inspired by any of these. It was Earthbound that inspired Fox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.69.167.104 ( talk) 23:31, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
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The plot is very gummed up and lacks many important details. I would like to change that.
TheNavyShadow ( talk) 23:54, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Not done It is a very complex story and trying to cover all details of it would be against WP's policy of avoiding long plot sections. It is sufficiently concise to explain the broad picture. --
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I have seen something missing i was going to add "secret endings" to the gameplay section.
Neosporinsucks ( talk) 03:54, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
So, I just noticed a flaw in the plot. I'm not able to edit to change this, but the article says that the war was started because Asriel was killed by the humans when he tried to return Chara's body to her village, when that's entirely inaccurate. The war didn't happen after Asriel and Chara, it even says so in the intro. Long ago there was a war, many lears later small child falls down hole. On top of that, the whole reason Chara died was because she killed herself so Asriel could absorb her soul, then get six other souls and free everyone and destroy humanity. There is no possible way for the war to happen after Chara and Asriel. Can someone who is able to edit the article change that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JosieAlyvia ( talk • contribs) 06:00, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
I take issue with the use of a review from Breitbart in the reception section. Not sure who added it in, but the language it uses, such as "cringy", is not that of a professional game reviewer. The site itself is known for its unreliable news content, and I am not sure why people writing reviews for them should not be covered under that. The review's language would be unacceptable for any mainstream game journalism outlet. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 03:43, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
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123.136.111.54 ( talk) 08:22, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Should we add something about any of the character? Although it would be hard not to spoil the game. Vexthesmol ( talk) 03:19, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't see the need to archive that page. it also contains some relevant and useful talk and Q/A. The archived page should be revived. WarriorFISH ( talk) 00:35, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
While we do refer to the fallen human as Chara in the Undertale Wiki, I believe it's less confusing for readers if this page referred to the fallen human simply as "fallen human". New players (not counting those that know about it) of Undertale don't usually choose "Chara" as their name so they would never encounter that name on their first, second, etc. run until they actually find out who Chara is somewhere on the Internet.
And no, this isn't an edit request, it's a question. I don't know how are things handled on Wikipedia most of the time so I'd rather ask on the talkpage if something should be changed than request from somebody to change it and get possibly rejected.
Should the latest edit to the page be reverted/reworded? KockaAdmiralac ( talk) 22:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Is there any reason there isn't a tracklist in the "Music" section? Was there ever a tracklist? If so, did it get removed? If there isn't any reason for exempting a tracklist, I'll go ahead and add one. The Verified Cactus 100% 21:04, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I think this article might have enough notability for it to be a featured article. Who wants to support a possible nomination? jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 22:03, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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Reading through this again, I have noticed several instances in the plot section of the article where the information is simply incorrect.
"One day, Chara fatally poisoned themself by drinking a tea made from poisonous golden flowers" Chara poisoned themself with buttercups, not golden flowers, and there was no mention of tea. [1] [2] In fact, golden flower tea is shown to not be poisonous, as both the human and Asgore are known to drink it at one point. [3]
"It is revealed that Asriel was reincarnated as Flowey, created by Alphys as a vessel of determination (the power that allows Frisk and Flowey to save game files in order to resurrect) as well as an intended surprise for Asgore." Not specific enough, or rather a little misleading. Alphys did not accidentally create Flowey to be a "vessel of determination", but rather to become a vessel for both human and monster souls, something which did require the use of Determination, but having Determination was not the primary goal. [4]
"Flowey ambushes the group, using the souls of all the monsters to take an older Asriel's form to fight the human and initiate an Apocalypse." Unclear where the term "Apocalypse" comes from, as that word is not mentioned even once in the entire text of the game. [5] The capitalization of the term makes it seem like an important, canonical term, when it is clearly not.
"Chara materializes before the player after Flowey is killed and explains that they were resurrected by the player's LOVE." It cannot have been the human's LOVE that awakened Chara from death, as they imply that they were alongside the human, learning from them, and eventually deciding to help them. The human only gained a high enough LOVE to trigger this ending of the game after Chara's presence had been hinted at and now implied by Chara, themself. [6]
In the second half of the plot section, the term "the player" starts being used interchangeably with "the human/Frisk". However, in the game's universe, no "player" is ever mentioned, and all mentions of the player in the second half of the article can easily be replaced with "the human". After all, it is the human who does everything in the game and even sells their soul, as it is used in the first half of the article.
Some of the wording choice in this part of the article could also use work, such as "determination (the power that allows Frisk and Flowey to save game files in order to resurrect)" ("the power that allows Frisk and Flowey to come back from death and reset the timeline" would be a better definition, for one) or "Asgore's castle, which contains the path (blocked by the barrier) leading to the surface world." ("which contains the only exit out of the Underground" would be more accurate). I think the article could use more language from the game itself in such places.
I also think the section on the Genocide Run could be expanded upon, as it is rather short compared to the other two runs referenced, and could use more information from Chara's explanatory monologue, for instance.
In short, I feel this part of the article is in need of some editing to make it more accurate and avoid falsities and misleading (not to toot my own horn, but I would gladly try my hand at getting it up to a higher standard if the semi-protection did not bar me from doing that, as I am dedicated to the facts of the game and am well-versed in its canon, along with having sources to quote if necessary).
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The french Nintendo Direct Showed that UnderTale for Nintendo Switch is coming 8th april. Clem789 ( talk) 19:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Does anybody else think this page needs a section for characters? Maximajorian Viridio ( talk) 02:37, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, as said before, undertale will be on th switch. in the French Nintendo Direct, at the end of the Undertale announcment, there are 8-4 written at top left of the screen. That means tha Undertale will be on switch at 4th August. Clem789 ( talk) 10:27, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
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115.187.62.65 ( talk) 10:50, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Change Switch release to September 15 for Japan.
It's ideal to have a definitive, identifying image as a lead image that "illustrate[s] the topic specifically" and "give readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page." A simple display of a logo isn't enough to satisfy this, I don't think, since it doesn't show anything about the game itself. The official packaging artwork does however, which clearly displays the game's unique setting and art style. A similar consensus was made in the Rocket League article for its lead image, which replaced a simple display of a logo with an official box art that showcases the game immediately to a reader. – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 21:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
It was confirmed in today's Nindies showcase that Undertale will release on switch in September 18, 2018, so... Serouj2000 ( talk) 16:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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Deltarune's october 31th's reveal is being considered as a whole game by itself, while it is explicitly only the first chapter (see Deltarune's website as source). Also, the 1st chapter itself says that Toby Fox is working on the rest of the game and will be releasing it in the future (check the library computer's lab at the end of the game). Murazaki ( talk) 13:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
As mentioned in the section, Deltarune isn't related to the Undertale besides some easter eggs. I believe that it should be in a separate section other than the "Release" section, preferably "Spiritual Successor", however it's not confirmed to be a spiritual successor. Nevertheless, it doesn't belong in the Release section. WikiBrainHead ( talk) 03:37, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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I request to fix grammatical errors regarding lower-case letters being in place of capital letters. Esteamerror ( talk) 23:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm starting this talk section as suggested by Ferret's latest edit (Feb 16, 2019), which reverted my changes to the plot section.
A few months ago, I expanded the plot section by essentially rewriting the whole thing. During this rewrite, I removed some elements that included spoilers and information about the game's multiple endings.
What I want to clarify is that I did not remove these elements *because* they were spoilers or endings. I removed them as part of my effort to streamline the discussion of the game's plot in a way that is readable, engaging and that raises the quality of the article. I don't care about keeping the article spoiler-free and my rewrite of the plot section kept many spoilers intact.
Other editors keep re-modifying the plot section in a way that tries to bastardize details about the game's plot to fit into two jumbled up sentences. I am asking for that to stop. Either take your time to describe the game's plot with the detail and nuance that it deserves, or don't. Insisting on summarizing the game's endings and secrets in two sentences transforms the article's plot section into a cringeworthy read that does not accurately reflect the game's true plot progression or substance in any way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaepora~enwiki ( talk • contribs) 19:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
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167.21.42.21 ( talk) 14:28, 22 February 2019 (UTC)undertale acually was based off of homestuck
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Cacdcdamcd ( talk) 14:33, 22 February 2019 (UTC) undertale is a awesome game it is availble on many consoles and yucan play it anywhere
In regards to this edit @ Masem:
My understanding is that it's standard to tag a video game with its country of origin, as a Japanese-published videogame would be tagged with WikiProject Japan, and one published from France would be tagged with the French WikiProject. The creator is American and it was self-published from the United States. WhisperToMe ( talk) 06:00, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
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Change "Frisk must first give their soul to the fallen human child in exchange for restoring the universe." to "THE PLAYER must first give their soul to the fallen human child in exchange for restoring the universe." Jordan Biordi ( talk) 15:26, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
There are actually multiple developers in undertale, please edit developer(s) section Cks10491 ( talk) 11:55, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
It's been released, not just revealed Cks10491 ( talk) 11:58, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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I wish to add sentence to the plot section that I believe is relevant and helpful. Bwajuka ( talk) 14:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Right now it reads "Sans, one of several monsters within Undertale", which doesn't seem to justify the character's notability. It used mention him being an internet icon, but I removed that statement as it was unsourced. Should we re-add that statement and find a source for it, or rephrase the caption in another way that justifies the image's inclusion?-- Megaman en m ( talk) 20:17, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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Change "in which Frisk becomes influenced by the malevolent spirit of the fallen human child whose body Asriel attempted to return." to "in which Frisk is assisted by Chara, the first fallen human child whose body Asriel attempted to return to the surface." Casualguy69 ( talk) 19:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)