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Wikipedia policy is i believe clear on that band with no pages (thus no asserted notability) should not be cited in a list. Hence i'll delete them. Laguna117 01:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
okay im not sure about the rest of you but from what ive heard these guys are the whitest of the black(just need the lyrics and boom they are black metal) so please comment on this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cradle thy filth ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Crimson Thorn are death metal, and are not black metal, nor are they unblack. This should be deleted.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.26.160.10 ( talk) 21:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC).
However: SCREW UNBLACK METAL >:/
Black Metal is a genre born in thoughts of anti-christianity/religion, hatred, suicide etc.
Me and hundreds more just can't see the connection between this and to extract Holy stuff into that.
Get your own genre!
I just deleted them.
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Inflictor of Grimness (
talk) 04:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think Immortal Souls should be listed as unblack as they are melodic death metal.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.28.250.37 ( talk) 10:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
Would As I Lay Dying fit into this catagory? -- Trusader 00:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Are you fucking kidding me? As I Lay Crying is complete trash and nowhere even CLOSE to black metal. Get off this site. 72.39.159.155 17:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
AILD are definatly not Unblackm i'm listening to the right now and they're Metalcore. Jerry teps 08:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Some native speaker should correct the description of Horde. The only concert was given in 06, 12 years after the release of «Hellig Usvart». «Horde played only a single show before disbanding, the only actual member was the drummer Jayson Sherlocke, who wore a hood during the show. Despite Horde's quick disappearance,…» is therefor complete nonsense. -- 62.53.218.216 18:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
For someone who is looking to wikipedia for information about unblack metal, someone is obviously expecting more than they really should be...never have I seen so many citation needed labels in a single article. It seems to me someone with something to against the genre has defaced it with these tags. Jlricherson 19:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The article stated that Horde was the first-known unblck metal band, but Antestor seems to have preceded them as they released their first demo in 1991 (Horde only released their first album in 1994). Thus, I modified the paragraph to take that into consideration. Also changing the origin of the genre from mid-90's USA to early-90's Scandinavia (as to not single out just one country such as Norway). -- Voievod 00:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
How the hell does this article have even nearly the same length as the black metal article? I mean the bm article is still longer, but still. There is way more info and material out there concerning black metal than unblack. So how the hell is this article even close to the same length as the bm one? It seems ridiculous. Either the bm article needs to expand and more info needs to be added, or there is just way too much info in this article. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
On unblack metal? No. I'm sure it's not too hard to find, though. This article is surprisingly good in a few ways, one of them being that it actually has a lot of references. Feel free to edit in any way you see fit. I will keep watch of the page, but right now I've been working on some articles that are in total disarray and it takes some of my attention. As for the Controversies section, i don't have a problem with it, however I do feel, looking at that entire first paragraph, it seems to be almost total POV and OR (I forgot to put the OR part). But I encourage you to do anything you want/can and, as I said, i will keep watch over the page and may do something at some point, but right now my attention is being required elsewhere on a few articles. Not to mention my life outside of wikipedia. I'm a college student so...it gets tough. I already sacrifice way too much time to wikipedia, heh. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 21:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't care if it's the early stuff, stop adding them, damnit. They are not and never have been anything near to black metal (and yes that also means unblack metal smartasses) so stop fuckin' adding them to the list. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 21:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
u need to just leave. your probably not even christian, your causing problems, and your excessive use of cursing is not apreciated here.
Being a Christian or not doesn't matter as long as he's contributing to the article. However, the cursing is a bit extensive. BreakerLOLZ ( talk) 02:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
In light of the recent edits, I think this may need some debate. Does Underoath really need to be mentioned? Did they contribute to the movement? What concerns me is that even mentioning such a band may hurt the already questionable credibility of this article. As Blizzard Beast's comment above implies, mentioning some hardcore band like Underoath may be even disrespectful to the subject and those who have a more traditional, perhaps even narrow understanding of what black metal is supposed to sound like. I realise bands like Sanctifica and Lengsel only released just one legitimate black metal sounding album and then moved on to other styles, but Underoath's metalcore roots with barely debatable black metalish influences pale in comparison, in my personal opinion. Does not compute, so to speak. Next thing you know people start adding any band with supposed black metal influences, like Zao. There are quite a few of those bands out there. Just my two cents.-- Azure Shrieker ( talk) 16:16, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't this page be heftly cut down and merged with the "christian metal" page? It's just a black varient of it, I really see no reason for it to have it's own page. Prophaniti ( talk) 10:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
In the "Regional Scenes" section I noticed: "possibly the only group in the black/unblack metal genre to be all female." While the word "possibly" means there may be others, I think it should be removed. Why? "Astarte is an all-female black metal band from Athens, Greece." There's at least one band that disproves the statement. Perhaps they are the only all female unblack metal band? (I wouldn't know.)
- I was looking back over the article and it would appear as though somebody else already removed the sentence in question from the article.
138.47.125.116 ( talk) 17:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Rob
I've read through the article and as far as I can see the 'genre' of unblack metal consists of only two even vaguely notable bands, one of which only released one album, which was a parody/joke. Oh yeah, and another notable band who play a completely different style of metal but also happen to be Christian. Why is this article still here? Cdh1984 ( talk) 19:12, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Okay, here's the question: Should the band list only include bands specifically cited as "unblack metal" or "Christian black metal," or should Christian bands who are black metal also be included? This is already the case with at least two bands, Holy Blood and Extol. My concern is that the latter option could be construed as original research.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 15:19, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
For the record, all bands in the list that are not described specifically as "unblack metal" or "Christian black metal" were removed.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 12:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Is a table really necessary? After a brief glance at the article, I can't see that a band's home country or year of formation really makes a difference in this genre. Also, why not include Christian bands that are called black metal? I realize it's more of a scene than a genre, but as long as they're properly notated (with a parenthetical or subsection or something like that), I don't see why Extol or Selfmindead or even early Underoath shouldn't be listed?-- Invisiboy42293 ( talk) 18:01, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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Wikipedia policy is i believe clear on that band with no pages (thus no asserted notability) should not be cited in a list. Hence i'll delete them. Laguna117 01:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
okay im not sure about the rest of you but from what ive heard these guys are the whitest of the black(just need the lyrics and boom they are black metal) so please comment on this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cradle thy filth ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Crimson Thorn are death metal, and are not black metal, nor are they unblack. This should be deleted.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.26.160.10 ( talk) 21:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC).
However: SCREW UNBLACK METAL >:/
Black Metal is a genre born in thoughts of anti-christianity/religion, hatred, suicide etc.
Me and hundreds more just can't see the connection between this and to extract Holy stuff into that.
Get your own genre!
I just deleted them.
--
Inflictor of Grimness (
talk) 04:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think Immortal Souls should be listed as unblack as they are melodic death metal.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.28.250.37 ( talk) 10:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
Would As I Lay Dying fit into this catagory? -- Trusader 00:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Are you fucking kidding me? As I Lay Crying is complete trash and nowhere even CLOSE to black metal. Get off this site. 72.39.159.155 17:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
AILD are definatly not Unblackm i'm listening to the right now and they're Metalcore. Jerry teps 08:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Some native speaker should correct the description of Horde. The only concert was given in 06, 12 years after the release of «Hellig Usvart». «Horde played only a single show before disbanding, the only actual member was the drummer Jayson Sherlocke, who wore a hood during the show. Despite Horde's quick disappearance,…» is therefor complete nonsense. -- 62.53.218.216 18:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
For someone who is looking to wikipedia for information about unblack metal, someone is obviously expecting more than they really should be...never have I seen so many citation needed labels in a single article. It seems to me someone with something to against the genre has defaced it with these tags. Jlricherson 19:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The article stated that Horde was the first-known unblck metal band, but Antestor seems to have preceded them as they released their first demo in 1991 (Horde only released their first album in 1994). Thus, I modified the paragraph to take that into consideration. Also changing the origin of the genre from mid-90's USA to early-90's Scandinavia (as to not single out just one country such as Norway). -- Voievod 00:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
How the hell does this article have even nearly the same length as the black metal article? I mean the bm article is still longer, but still. There is way more info and material out there concerning black metal than unblack. So how the hell is this article even close to the same length as the bm one? It seems ridiculous. Either the bm article needs to expand and more info needs to be added, or there is just way too much info in this article. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
On unblack metal? No. I'm sure it's not too hard to find, though. This article is surprisingly good in a few ways, one of them being that it actually has a lot of references. Feel free to edit in any way you see fit. I will keep watch of the page, but right now I've been working on some articles that are in total disarray and it takes some of my attention. As for the Controversies section, i don't have a problem with it, however I do feel, looking at that entire first paragraph, it seems to be almost total POV and OR (I forgot to put the OR part). But I encourage you to do anything you want/can and, as I said, i will keep watch over the page and may do something at some point, but right now my attention is being required elsewhere on a few articles. Not to mention my life outside of wikipedia. I'm a college student so...it gets tough. I already sacrifice way too much time to wikipedia, heh. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 21:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't care if it's the early stuff, stop adding them, damnit. They are not and never have been anything near to black metal (and yes that also means unblack metal smartasses) so stop fuckin' adding them to the list. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 21:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
u need to just leave. your probably not even christian, your causing problems, and your excessive use of cursing is not apreciated here.
Being a Christian or not doesn't matter as long as he's contributing to the article. However, the cursing is a bit extensive. BreakerLOLZ ( talk) 02:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
In light of the recent edits, I think this may need some debate. Does Underoath really need to be mentioned? Did they contribute to the movement? What concerns me is that even mentioning such a band may hurt the already questionable credibility of this article. As Blizzard Beast's comment above implies, mentioning some hardcore band like Underoath may be even disrespectful to the subject and those who have a more traditional, perhaps even narrow understanding of what black metal is supposed to sound like. I realise bands like Sanctifica and Lengsel only released just one legitimate black metal sounding album and then moved on to other styles, but Underoath's metalcore roots with barely debatable black metalish influences pale in comparison, in my personal opinion. Does not compute, so to speak. Next thing you know people start adding any band with supposed black metal influences, like Zao. There are quite a few of those bands out there. Just my two cents.-- Azure Shrieker ( talk) 16:16, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't this page be heftly cut down and merged with the "christian metal" page? It's just a black varient of it, I really see no reason for it to have it's own page. Prophaniti ( talk) 10:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
In the "Regional Scenes" section I noticed: "possibly the only group in the black/unblack metal genre to be all female." While the word "possibly" means there may be others, I think it should be removed. Why? "Astarte is an all-female black metal band from Athens, Greece." There's at least one band that disproves the statement. Perhaps they are the only all female unblack metal band? (I wouldn't know.)
- I was looking back over the article and it would appear as though somebody else already removed the sentence in question from the article.
138.47.125.116 ( talk) 17:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Rob
I've read through the article and as far as I can see the 'genre' of unblack metal consists of only two even vaguely notable bands, one of which only released one album, which was a parody/joke. Oh yeah, and another notable band who play a completely different style of metal but also happen to be Christian. Why is this article still here? Cdh1984 ( talk) 19:12, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Okay, here's the question: Should the band list only include bands specifically cited as "unblack metal" or "Christian black metal," or should Christian bands who are black metal also be included? This is already the case with at least two bands, Holy Blood and Extol. My concern is that the latter option could be construed as original research.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 15:19, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
For the record, all bands in the list that are not described specifically as "unblack metal" or "Christian black metal" were removed.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 12:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Is a table really necessary? After a brief glance at the article, I can't see that a band's home country or year of formation really makes a difference in this genre. Also, why not include Christian bands that are called black metal? I realize it's more of a scene than a genre, but as long as they're properly notated (with a parenthetical or subsection or something like that), I don't see why Extol or Selfmindead or even early Underoath shouldn't be listed?-- Invisiboy42293 ( talk) 18:01, 24 September 2012 (UTC)