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Is there such a thing as a nonfictional supervillain? Coemgenv ( talk) 17:34, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
This sentence makes no sense:
"The Vision, however, destroys Ultron with the aid of the Avengers, similar to Wonder Man, whose brain patterns he was given." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.164.249 ( talk) 19:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Um, what about the planet Ultron?
I'm wondering which incarnation the Ultron in Runaways would be.
So, aside from the "Ultimate Ultron" storylines, what is the latest news on Ultron? What iteration (in current continuity) is Ultron currently at?
This article doesn't really deal with Ultron's motivations; from his earliest origins he hated Hank as his father and reached out to Jan as a mother/lover, or at least with some indications of desire. I'll check my sources, but this mental conflict seems a significant motivating factor in Ultron's behavior.-- Erikacornia 16:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
"Having created the Vision, he sees the android as his 'son', thus meaning that he feels a certain connection to Wonder Man- whose brain patterns were used to create the Vision-, the Grim Reaper- Wonder Man's brother (And also the first human connection Ultron ever made after his 'father'- and the Scarlet Witch - the Vision's wife - due to their own links to the Vision)."
Is just me, or is that totally incomprehensible? Jariola 07:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
This I'm asking about for all the characters, especially in the maximoff/wagner/darkholme family tree, or why completed family trees don't exist (victor mancha being Wiccan and Speeds Uncle) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.65.15.169 ( talk) 05:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
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Reworking article at present as several appearances are missing and many statements have no sources. As for Alternate versions, just the gist, without unnecessary detail and sources in text which flips the universe tense. Asgardian ( talk) 11:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 06:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Regards
Asgardian (
talk)
04:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The 2007 date of the Mighty Avengers storyline that depicted the Ultron that morphed out of Iron Man and resembled Janet Pym was removed, with the Edit Summary "Remember, no mention of dates in the paragraphs unless a PH." Where, when and by whom was it decided that dates can only be in Publication History sections? Is this is a WP guideline, policy, part of the MOS, or a consensus ruling? Can someone provide a link to the derivation of this? After I left a message regarding this question on the Talk Page of Asgardian, who made that edit, he edited the passage slightly, referring to it as a "Clarification as per request", but did not restore the date, nor answer my question about this rule about dates and PH's, so I'm not sure if this is a reference to the message I left. Can someone fill me in? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 02:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 04:57, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Dates are perfectly suitable for Fictional Character Biographies, since they cannot be completely divorced from the publications that depicted them. A brief mention in the beginning of the paragraph gives historical/contextual clarity to it, telling the reader when it occurred, and does not constitute any "flipping". Don't you think it's confusing to the reader without it? Even an in-universe reference like "Following the events of the Civil War..." Would that be more acceptable to you? Nightscream ( talk) 06:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, Asgardian, who deleted it, claims that it is "fancruft". Fancruft refers to material of importance only to fans of the subject. It carries the implication that the content is unimportant and the contributor's judgment of importance of the topic is inhibited by their fanaticism, may be therefore regarded as pejorative, and when used in discussion about another editor's contributions, it can sometimes be regarded as uncivil and an assumption of bad faith. It is often poorly written, unwikified, unreferenced, non-neutral and contain original research.
In my opinion, it is reasonable for a section like this to contain a small amount of information pertaining to the plot synopsis. I do not think it is important only to fans, any more than any other material in the article, and I myself am not a fan, as I have not seen the film. It is not poorly written, nor does it exhibit any of the other aforementioned qualities.
I would like to discuss this with others here, to see what the consensus is. Nightscream ( talk) 23:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Model numbering has since been corrected... perhaps we should number the later versions as well, so female Ultron becomes number 19, Phalanx-Ultron becomes 20, etc.
Avengers/Invaders-Ultron is a bit of a problem, but I propose Ultron-11. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salkafar ( talk • contribs)
I've done some clean-up work on the article but it's still pretty poor - far too much plot summary and far too little real world analysis and critique. However at least the article is factually correct in that it doesn't present a distorted and plain wrong introductions to his origins - in that the reader no longer get the impression from this article that the flashback in #58 of the avengers occurred before his first real world appearance in issue 54. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameron Scott ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 27 October 2008
The Infobox image is horribly pixelated. Either it should be reduced, or a larger one should be found. This is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Nightscream ( talk) 16:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Under the film description it says that Pym will not be in it, Is this really necessary to note in a page not about Pym? TacfuJecan ( talk) 01:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
While this page is not about Dr. Hank Pym, the fact that Ultron is his creation in the Marvel comic book universe, it is worth mentioning this potential divergence between the cinematic and comic universes. drschloss ( talk) 04:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
This statement has been added, removed and had the omission subsequently reverted. It does not belong in the introductory article section/article brief as the subject of this article is "Ultron" as it relates to the Marvel Comics' character in the "Avenger" series of comic books. The character as it relates to a movie including this character is of no relevance to the general topic, in particular the actor who plays or portrays such character is of even less significance. User IP 1.29.33.19.254 cites "rvt" as a reasoning for adding this statement in the article brief. I do not know what "rvt" is, please elaborate. Jchap1590 ( talk) 16:55, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey, Triiiple Threat, that is a lot of useful information you are taking out, maybe you could explain why? ThatKongregateGuy ( talk) 12:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
My issue is how much you were taking out. Maybe you could leave a little bit in? ThatKongregateGuy ( talk) 15:05, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
I am editing the page of James Spader and would like some feed back on my ideas. If there is any way some one can check out the bottom of his talk page that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshewuh2 ( talk • contribs) 20:32, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Would it possible to include an image showcasing one of Ultron's modern depictions? I find it hard to believe that we'd have a photo of his "female" version from his Mighty Avengers run as opposed to Annihilation: Conquest despite the latter being a story that focuses more on his character and his goals. Most notably, I would like to request a new image depicting the character's recent shift in portrayal by becoming merged with Hank Pym as one collective being in the Avengers: Rage of Ultron Original Graphic Novel, and his recent return in Uncanny Avengers. Demented-P ( talk) 17:32, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 21:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Just pointing out that our articles on Loki, Iron Man, Nick Fury, Captain America, Black Panther, Spider-Man, Thanos, Black Widow and Falcon, among others, link directly to Marvel Cinematic Universe in the lead rather than Marvel Studios. This article has also linked directly to the MCU in the lead for at least the past year, so any change away from that requires consensus. -- Calidum 19:04, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
A draft for the character is currently in review, and I believe, as one of the core enemies of The Avengers in the film series, he's worthy of his own article. Consensus? GlumboMcShunbo ( talk) 18:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
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Is there such a thing as a nonfictional supervillain? Coemgenv ( talk) 17:34, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
This sentence makes no sense:
"The Vision, however, destroys Ultron with the aid of the Avengers, similar to Wonder Man, whose brain patterns he was given." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.164.249 ( talk) 19:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Um, what about the planet Ultron?
I'm wondering which incarnation the Ultron in Runaways would be.
So, aside from the "Ultimate Ultron" storylines, what is the latest news on Ultron? What iteration (in current continuity) is Ultron currently at?
This article doesn't really deal with Ultron's motivations; from his earliest origins he hated Hank as his father and reached out to Jan as a mother/lover, or at least with some indications of desire. I'll check my sources, but this mental conflict seems a significant motivating factor in Ultron's behavior.-- Erikacornia 16:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
"Having created the Vision, he sees the android as his 'son', thus meaning that he feels a certain connection to Wonder Man- whose brain patterns were used to create the Vision-, the Grim Reaper- Wonder Man's brother (And also the first human connection Ultron ever made after his 'father'- and the Scarlet Witch - the Vision's wife - due to their own links to the Vision)."
Is just me, or is that totally incomprehensible? Jariola 07:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
This I'm asking about for all the characters, especially in the maximoff/wagner/darkholme family tree, or why completed family trees don't exist (victor mancha being Wiccan and Speeds Uncle) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.65.15.169 ( talk) 05:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Image:Avengersv3n20.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Reworking article at present as several appearances are missing and many statements have no sources. As for Alternate versions, just the gist, without unnecessary detail and sources in text which flips the universe tense. Asgardian ( talk) 11:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 06:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Regards
Asgardian (
talk)
04:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The 2007 date of the Mighty Avengers storyline that depicted the Ultron that morphed out of Iron Man and resembled Janet Pym was removed, with the Edit Summary "Remember, no mention of dates in the paragraphs unless a PH." Where, when and by whom was it decided that dates can only be in Publication History sections? Is this is a WP guideline, policy, part of the MOS, or a consensus ruling? Can someone provide a link to the derivation of this? After I left a message regarding this question on the Talk Page of Asgardian, who made that edit, he edited the passage slightly, referring to it as a "Clarification as per request", but did not restore the date, nor answer my question about this rule about dates and PH's, so I'm not sure if this is a reference to the message I left. Can someone fill me in? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 02:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 04:57, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Dates are perfectly suitable for Fictional Character Biographies, since they cannot be completely divorced from the publications that depicted them. A brief mention in the beginning of the paragraph gives historical/contextual clarity to it, telling the reader when it occurred, and does not constitute any "flipping". Don't you think it's confusing to the reader without it? Even an in-universe reference like "Following the events of the Civil War..." Would that be more acceptable to you? Nightscream ( talk) 06:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, Asgardian, who deleted it, claims that it is "fancruft". Fancruft refers to material of importance only to fans of the subject. It carries the implication that the content is unimportant and the contributor's judgment of importance of the topic is inhibited by their fanaticism, may be therefore regarded as pejorative, and when used in discussion about another editor's contributions, it can sometimes be regarded as uncivil and an assumption of bad faith. It is often poorly written, unwikified, unreferenced, non-neutral and contain original research.
In my opinion, it is reasonable for a section like this to contain a small amount of information pertaining to the plot synopsis. I do not think it is important only to fans, any more than any other material in the article, and I myself am not a fan, as I have not seen the film. It is not poorly written, nor does it exhibit any of the other aforementioned qualities.
I would like to discuss this with others here, to see what the consensus is. Nightscream ( talk) 23:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Model numbering has since been corrected... perhaps we should number the later versions as well, so female Ultron becomes number 19, Phalanx-Ultron becomes 20, etc.
Avengers/Invaders-Ultron is a bit of a problem, but I propose Ultron-11. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salkafar ( talk • contribs)
I've done some clean-up work on the article but it's still pretty poor - far too much plot summary and far too little real world analysis and critique. However at least the article is factually correct in that it doesn't present a distorted and plain wrong introductions to his origins - in that the reader no longer get the impression from this article that the flashback in #58 of the avengers occurred before his first real world appearance in issue 54. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameron Scott ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 27 October 2008
The Infobox image is horribly pixelated. Either it should be reduced, or a larger one should be found. This is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Nightscream ( talk) 16:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Under the film description it says that Pym will not be in it, Is this really necessary to note in a page not about Pym? TacfuJecan ( talk) 01:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
While this page is not about Dr. Hank Pym, the fact that Ultron is his creation in the Marvel comic book universe, it is worth mentioning this potential divergence between the cinematic and comic universes. drschloss ( talk) 04:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
This statement has been added, removed and had the omission subsequently reverted. It does not belong in the introductory article section/article brief as the subject of this article is "Ultron" as it relates to the Marvel Comics' character in the "Avenger" series of comic books. The character as it relates to a movie including this character is of no relevance to the general topic, in particular the actor who plays or portrays such character is of even less significance. User IP 1.29.33.19.254 cites "rvt" as a reasoning for adding this statement in the article brief. I do not know what "rvt" is, please elaborate. Jchap1590 ( talk) 16:55, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey, Triiiple Threat, that is a lot of useful information you are taking out, maybe you could explain why? ThatKongregateGuy ( talk) 12:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
My issue is how much you were taking out. Maybe you could leave a little bit in? ThatKongregateGuy ( talk) 15:05, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
I am editing the page of James Spader and would like some feed back on my ideas. If there is any way some one can check out the bottom of his talk page that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshewuh2 ( talk • contribs) 20:32, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Would it possible to include an image showcasing one of Ultron's modern depictions? I find it hard to believe that we'd have a photo of his "female" version from his Mighty Avengers run as opposed to Annihilation: Conquest despite the latter being a story that focuses more on his character and his goals. Most notably, I would like to request a new image depicting the character's recent shift in portrayal by becoming merged with Hank Pym as one collective being in the Avengers: Rage of Ultron Original Graphic Novel, and his recent return in Uncanny Avengers. Demented-P ( talk) 17:32, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
One or more images currently used in this article have been nominated for deletion as violations of the non-free content criteria (NFCC).
You can read more about what this means and why these files are being nominated for deletion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Image deletion nominations for NFCC 8 and 3a.
You can participate at the deletion discussion(s) at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 April 28. If you are not familiar with NFCC-related deletion discussions, I recommend reading the post linked above first.
Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) 21:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Just pointing out that our articles on Loki, Iron Man, Nick Fury, Captain America, Black Panther, Spider-Man, Thanos, Black Widow and Falcon, among others, link directly to Marvel Cinematic Universe in the lead rather than Marvel Studios. This article has also linked directly to the MCU in the lead for at least the past year, so any change away from that requires consensus. -- Calidum 19:04, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
A draft for the character is currently in review, and I believe, as one of the core enemies of The Avengers in the film series, he's worthy of his own article. Consensus? GlumboMcShunbo ( talk) 18:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)