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The flag of NI was designed in 1923, and the coat of arms taken from it, not the other way around. Where does the 1953 date come from?
From Coat of arms of Northern Ireland
Neville Rodwell Wilkinson, Ulster King of Arms, had designed the great seal and flag of Northern Ireland in 1923.
Source: Royal Roots, Republican Inheritance - The Survival of the Office of Arms, Susan Hood, Dublin, 2002 ISBN 0-9534293-3-4 p.120.
She cites a letter dated February 23, 1923 from the Duke of Abercon (I think was the Governor of NI at the time) thanking Ulster KoA for his work on the flag design.
Lozleader 21:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
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As this is not longer the flag of ni should the image be moved to
Image:Fomer flag_of_Northern_Ireland.svg
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Gnevin 00:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC))
You do people realize there is a mediation case about this, do you? There's also a discussion at the image talk page. (or even at commons) Bring this discussion there. -- Howard the Duck 03:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Fasach Nua, why are you removing the link to the Flag of Ulster article and then inserting a fact tag.-- Padraig 09:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
This flag keeps being deleted..... Is it possible to block people touching the flag whatsover? Speedboy Salesman ( talk) 18:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
There still is no citation for this being the name of the flag. This is required. Traditional unionist ( talk) 16:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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When I was editing the image file for this I set the flag proportion 1:2, based on what was on the CRW Flags of the World site. However, I'm not sure that that site was correct, as I have seen 3:5 ratio quoted elsewhere. Does anyone have a good source to the correct proportion of the flag? Jonto ( talk) 21:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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After making some minor changed to it, I decided to remove this introduction, which appears to be new: "The symbol of a Red Hand within a six pointed star with a crown atop, with the backdrop of an English flag is actually not an 'Ulster Flag' nor an 'Ulster Banner'. This is due to the fact that it only represents the six counties of Ulster known as Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kingdom. There are in fact 9 counties in ulster; Antrim, Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Monaghan, Tyrone. The symbol or flag that represents the whole of Ulster is a Red Hand in the centre of a red Cross, with a yellow backdrop, called the Flag of Ulster."
The old description which I reinstated: "The Ulster Banner (Irish: Meirge Uladh) is a heraldic banner taken from the former coat of arms of Northern Ireland, consisting of a red cross on a white field, upon which is a crowned six-pointed star with a red hand in the centre. It was the flag of the former Government of Northern Ireland and common flag of Northern Ireland from 1953 until that government was abolished in 1972." The reinstated description seems to be more neutral/correct. It doesn't seem correct that the description of an article titled "Ulster Banner" would deny that this is the correct term. There's clearly a contradiction there, so either the description needed to change or the title did. If there is disagreement about it, it needs to be explained in the article. 86.27.249.220 ( talk) 05:35, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
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The flag of NI was designed in 1923, and the coat of arms taken from it, not the other way around. Where does the 1953 date come from?
From Coat of arms of Northern Ireland
Neville Rodwell Wilkinson, Ulster King of Arms, had designed the great seal and flag of Northern Ireland in 1923.
Source: Royal Roots, Republican Inheritance - The Survival of the Office of Arms, Susan Hood, Dublin, 2002 ISBN 0-9534293-3-4 p.120.
She cites a letter dated February 23, 1923 from the Duke of Abercon (I think was the Governor of NI at the time) thanking Ulster KoA for his work on the flag design.
Lozleader 21:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
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A straw poll has opened at this section of the United Kingdom talk page regarding the use of the Ulster Banner for that article's circumstances only. To capture a representative result as possible, you are invited to pass your opinion there. If joining the poll, please keep a cool head, and remain civil. Hope to see you there, Jza84 22:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
As this is not longer the flag of ni should the image be moved to
Image:Fomer flag_of_Northern_Ireland.svg
Image:UlsterBanner.svg? (
Gnevin 00:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC))
You do people realize there is a mediation case about this, do you? There's also a discussion at the image talk page. (or even at commons) Bring this discussion there. -- Howard the Duck 03:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Fasach Nua, why are you removing the link to the Flag of Ulster article and then inserting a fact tag.-- Padraig 09:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
This flag keeps being deleted..... Is it possible to block people touching the flag whatsover? Speedboy Salesman ( talk) 18:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
There still is no citation for this being the name of the flag. This is required. Traditional unionist ( talk) 16:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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When I was editing the image file for this I set the flag proportion 1:2, based on what was on the CRW Flags of the World site. However, I'm not sure that that site was correct, as I have seen 3:5 ratio quoted elsewhere. Does anyone have a good source to the correct proportion of the flag? Jonto ( talk) 21:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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After making some minor changed to it, I decided to remove this introduction, which appears to be new: "The symbol of a Red Hand within a six pointed star with a crown atop, with the backdrop of an English flag is actually not an 'Ulster Flag' nor an 'Ulster Banner'. This is due to the fact that it only represents the six counties of Ulster known as Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kingdom. There are in fact 9 counties in ulster; Antrim, Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Monaghan, Tyrone. The symbol or flag that represents the whole of Ulster is a Red Hand in the centre of a red Cross, with a yellow backdrop, called the Flag of Ulster."
The old description which I reinstated: "The Ulster Banner (Irish: Meirge Uladh) is a heraldic banner taken from the former coat of arms of Northern Ireland, consisting of a red cross on a white field, upon which is a crowned six-pointed star with a red hand in the centre. It was the flag of the former Government of Northern Ireland and common flag of Northern Ireland from 1953 until that government was abolished in 1972." The reinstated description seems to be more neutral/correct. It doesn't seem correct that the description of an article titled "Ulster Banner" would deny that this is the correct term. There's clearly a contradiction there, so either the description needed to change or the title did. If there is disagreement about it, it needs to be explained in the article. 86.27.249.220 ( talk) 05:35, 26 August 2020 (UTC)