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Ty 06:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the opinion above that this article is 'Farren-centric' which I believe lies in its roots as an adjunct to the Steve Took and Pink Fairies articles. Ladbroke Grove, while important, was only the base for period and part of the movement. Certainly there were origins in Oxford University in the 50s, and the folk scenes in the provinces. That Richard Neville is better known than Farren is open to debate, although I guess that could change once the movie finally gets released. I note that Jeff Dexter's article - quite extensive - got bounced out for non-notabilty some time back. [30] Wwwhatsup ( talk) 05:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Is English underground dealing with the same topic as UK underground? It is currently unclear what that article is about, but it mentions some of the same people as this article. SilkTork * YES! 12:25, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Fact is, however ancient and significant 'English' might be - as it stands there just isn't enough meat there right now. It should be merged - it is proto. If it gets unwieldy it can always be forked out again, as indeed could the 'Ladbroke Grove Underground' if enough non Ladbroke Grove material were to present itself.. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 08:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but we do merge articles all the time. If you read the English underground article all it says is that it was an old tradition, with the one ref. Then it launches off into UK underground related material. Not enough to merit it's own article if you ask me - but certainly a section in this one. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 04:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
So could we start voting on this? I put myself down as:
I have just finished reading Days In The Life: Voices from the English Underground, 1961-71 by Jonathon Green and it certainly has a wealth of anecdotal material - I don't kno how much it could be counted as "reliable" but it is certainly quotable and gives a fair choronology of the development of the the culture and media. I am next going after All Dressed Up: The Sixties and the Counterculture also by Jonathon Green, and London Calling: A Countercultural History of London Since 1945 by Barry Miles. In Green's book it was noted that, while there was text aplenty in the underground press, there were actually next to no topical prose books at the time - in fact it was less or more down to Richard Neville's manifesto Play Power and Jeff Nuttall's parthian Bomb Culture. I would add Mick Farren's scat Watch Out Kids. I don't know if I'll ever find the time to write up the article according to these sources, but I'd suggest that, as the release of the Oz movie approaches, there's going to be increasing interest in the period, and someone should! Wwwhatsup ( talk) 08:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
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Ty 06:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the opinion above that this article is 'Farren-centric' which I believe lies in its roots as an adjunct to the Steve Took and Pink Fairies articles. Ladbroke Grove, while important, was only the base for period and part of the movement. Certainly there were origins in Oxford University in the 50s, and the folk scenes in the provinces. That Richard Neville is better known than Farren is open to debate, although I guess that could change once the movie finally gets released. I note that Jeff Dexter's article - quite extensive - got bounced out for non-notabilty some time back. [30] Wwwhatsup ( talk) 05:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Is English underground dealing with the same topic as UK underground? It is currently unclear what that article is about, but it mentions some of the same people as this article. SilkTork * YES! 12:25, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Fact is, however ancient and significant 'English' might be - as it stands there just isn't enough meat there right now. It should be merged - it is proto. If it gets unwieldy it can always be forked out again, as indeed could the 'Ladbroke Grove Underground' if enough non Ladbroke Grove material were to present itself.. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 08:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but we do merge articles all the time. If you read the English underground article all it says is that it was an old tradition, with the one ref. Then it launches off into UK underground related material. Not enough to merit it's own article if you ask me - but certainly a section in this one. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 04:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
So could we start voting on this? I put myself down as:
I have just finished reading Days In The Life: Voices from the English Underground, 1961-71 by Jonathon Green and it certainly has a wealth of anecdotal material - I don't kno how much it could be counted as "reliable" but it is certainly quotable and gives a fair choronology of the development of the the culture and media. I am next going after All Dressed Up: The Sixties and the Counterculture also by Jonathon Green, and London Calling: A Countercultural History of London Since 1945 by Barry Miles. In Green's book it was noted that, while there was text aplenty in the underground press, there were actually next to no topical prose books at the time - in fact it was less or more down to Richard Neville's manifesto Play Power and Jeff Nuttall's parthian Bomb Culture. I would add Mick Farren's scat Watch Out Kids. I don't know if I'll ever find the time to write up the article according to these sources, but I'd suggest that, as the release of the Oz movie approaches, there's going to be increasing interest in the period, and someone should! Wwwhatsup ( talk) 08:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
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