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Gabulov to Dynamo is official and has been official for quite some time: [1]
Marco van Basten has named his provisional squad: [2]. I'll try to get round to adding the squad here soon, but if someone else wants to add it feel free :) JACO PLANE • 2008-05-6 20:13
KNVB site gives differing information on caps for Netherlands players at http://www.knvb.nl/oranje/selectie/ . Caps and goals should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.187.12 ( talk) 10:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Squad for Training camp is out. [3]
Matthew_hk t c 16:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Leo Beenhakker will scratch six players today (8 May) from the provisional squad he announced earlier. 26 players will travel to training camp in Germany. Coach announced also no additional players will be called-up. source. - Darwinek ( talk) 12:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
// Better source: http://sport.onet.pl/0,1264200,1744997,wiadomosc.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.46.5.145 ( talk) 15:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Coach Brückner announced the final squad. You can find it at the official association website http://www.fotbal.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=31169&tmplid=1033 . Feel free to update the article. - Darwinek ( talk) 14:24, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Why Rüştü Reçber (TurkeY) have 128 Caps in national team. My information he have 116 caps —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.252.18.216 ( talk) 11:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Should we keep it or get rid of it? User:Necronudist seems to think we should get rid of it, saying that none of the other squads articles have it, so why should this one. I couldn't disagree more, as I think that this information is quite interesting, and since it is sourced, there is no reason to actually get rid of it. Opinions please. – Pee Jay 14:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not saying that. I'll explain as I've done on your talk page: My opinion is that this stuff is useless, 'cause it don't affect the tournament in any way. Virtually, an head coach can preselect players two years before, and can preselect 100 players if he wants (Domenech preselected something like 50 players). Are called provisional squads 'cause they aren't Euro08 squads. If tomorrow Cassano got injured and Inzaghi replaces him, well this affect Euro08 squads and the tournament itself, and therefore should be mentioned.
Plus, remember that other squads articles used to have it, but since the final squads are announced, they've been properly removed. -- necronudist ( talk) 14:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Keep it. It provides a useful insight into the different methods of squad selection used, and describing the selection processes breaks up the bare list. Oldelpaso ( talk) 15:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd say get rid of it, without provisional squad info, the article seems more clearer and neat. The provisional squad members are never officially registered to UEFA as a team member. However, I reckon injury replacement players must be noted in the article. Moreover, the information about players that has been called up into the provisional squad is more relevant to the individual national team article rather than the EURO 2008 squads article. I've recently edited Italy national football team article and put Montolivo on the recent call-up list as provisional EURO 2008 squad (see Italy national football team#Recent_call-up. Well, this is just my opinion, feel free comment. 121.44.23.153 ( talk) 16:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
If it's 23 man squads it's fine, if they are 27 man train-on squads I would be sceptical. Also it would need official verification. Alexsanderson 83 16:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Are they official? No9shirt ( talk) 17:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment - For clarification, I'm not saying we should list the players who were in the provisional squads amongst the 23-man squads. That would just be daft. All I'm saying is that we should keep the info on how the squad was selected at the top of each section. – Pee Jay 17:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Post-23 list replacement are out of discussion. We're debating on references. I think they are useless 'cause they refer to pre-tournament things. It's like adding a reference on a club page saying that x and y took part at the summer training but weren't included in the first team squad. It's not an Euro 2008 issue, it regards pre-tournament phase. Neither they're part of the Euro 2008 squads. -- necronudist ( talk) 18:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
If you haven't understand yet that are called provisional 'cause they aren't the article's title squad... I surrender. Do what you think, guys. I've said what I had to say 4 times. Can't go further. -- necronudist ( talk) 22:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Why are the player listed by the clubs who hold their economic rights and not those who hold the playing registration (i.e. the club the player is on loan from instead of the club he is on loan to). I think it should be the other way around (the club on loan at with the club on loan from in the footnotes) as players are shown on Uefa's official site. What club would for example Javier Mascherano have had if he took part when his rights were with MSI - club MSI with a footnote that he was on loan at Liverpool? Sebisthlm ( talk) 20:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Question is: do we list clubs the player played for in the 2007-08 season (the last club of the season), or clubs the player belongs to? First is the UEFA (and I'd say worldwide, since I've always seen that) standard, latter is the "wikipedia standard". If you guys decide to approve the second case, remember that there are also co-ownership (I put a note on Borriello, but it's something like avoiding the issue). -- necronudist ( talk) 17:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
But how about the player played for two clubs in a season? Sometimes they want to loan out to gain more appearances in order to secure the national team place. But in fact they played both well. Matthew_hk t c 06:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for starting a discussion and the just suddenly disappear (I've been out of town a couple of days). I think that Kevin McE's analysis is correct. However, I think we have authoritative club info from Uefa's official team squads. If no reliable sources show other info than Uefa's, we should stick with their interpretation of club belonging. Of course I didn't mean that which club is listed as current is semanthics, It was trying to judge when a loan deal is over that I think is irrelevant. Necronudist brings up an excellent point in the Italian co-ownership deals. In Italy a player can be co-owned by two clubs while on loan to a third. This further illustrates my point that we have to go by (last) playing club and not owning club. Sebisthlm ( talk) 08:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Why player representation is different from this on uefa.com? -- Valodzka ( talk) 09:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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Gabulov to Dynamo is official and has been official for quite some time: [1]
Marco van Basten has named his provisional squad: [2]. I'll try to get round to adding the squad here soon, but if someone else wants to add it feel free :) JACO PLANE • 2008-05-6 20:13
KNVB site gives differing information on caps for Netherlands players at http://www.knvb.nl/oranje/selectie/ . Caps and goals should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.187.12 ( talk) 10:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Squad for Training camp is out. [3]
Matthew_hk t c 16:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Leo Beenhakker will scratch six players today (8 May) from the provisional squad he announced earlier. 26 players will travel to training camp in Germany. Coach announced also no additional players will be called-up. source. - Darwinek ( talk) 12:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
// Better source: http://sport.onet.pl/0,1264200,1744997,wiadomosc.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.46.5.145 ( talk) 15:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Coach Brückner announced the final squad. You can find it at the official association website http://www.fotbal.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=31169&tmplid=1033 . Feel free to update the article. - Darwinek ( talk) 14:24, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Why Rüştü Reçber (TurkeY) have 128 Caps in national team. My information he have 116 caps —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.252.18.216 ( talk) 11:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Should we keep it or get rid of it? User:Necronudist seems to think we should get rid of it, saying that none of the other squads articles have it, so why should this one. I couldn't disagree more, as I think that this information is quite interesting, and since it is sourced, there is no reason to actually get rid of it. Opinions please. – Pee Jay 14:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not saying that. I'll explain as I've done on your talk page: My opinion is that this stuff is useless, 'cause it don't affect the tournament in any way. Virtually, an head coach can preselect players two years before, and can preselect 100 players if he wants (Domenech preselected something like 50 players). Are called provisional squads 'cause they aren't Euro08 squads. If tomorrow Cassano got injured and Inzaghi replaces him, well this affect Euro08 squads and the tournament itself, and therefore should be mentioned.
Plus, remember that other squads articles used to have it, but since the final squads are announced, they've been properly removed. -- necronudist ( talk) 14:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Keep it. It provides a useful insight into the different methods of squad selection used, and describing the selection processes breaks up the bare list. Oldelpaso ( talk) 15:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd say get rid of it, without provisional squad info, the article seems more clearer and neat. The provisional squad members are never officially registered to UEFA as a team member. However, I reckon injury replacement players must be noted in the article. Moreover, the information about players that has been called up into the provisional squad is more relevant to the individual national team article rather than the EURO 2008 squads article. I've recently edited Italy national football team article and put Montolivo on the recent call-up list as provisional EURO 2008 squad (see Italy national football team#Recent_call-up. Well, this is just my opinion, feel free comment. 121.44.23.153 ( talk) 16:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
If it's 23 man squads it's fine, if they are 27 man train-on squads I would be sceptical. Also it would need official verification. Alexsanderson 83 16:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Are they official? No9shirt ( talk) 17:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment - For clarification, I'm not saying we should list the players who were in the provisional squads amongst the 23-man squads. That would just be daft. All I'm saying is that we should keep the info on how the squad was selected at the top of each section. – Pee Jay 17:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Post-23 list replacement are out of discussion. We're debating on references. I think they are useless 'cause they refer to pre-tournament things. It's like adding a reference on a club page saying that x and y took part at the summer training but weren't included in the first team squad. It's not an Euro 2008 issue, it regards pre-tournament phase. Neither they're part of the Euro 2008 squads. -- necronudist ( talk) 18:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
If you haven't understand yet that are called provisional 'cause they aren't the article's title squad... I surrender. Do what you think, guys. I've said what I had to say 4 times. Can't go further. -- necronudist ( talk) 22:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Why are the player listed by the clubs who hold their economic rights and not those who hold the playing registration (i.e. the club the player is on loan from instead of the club he is on loan to). I think it should be the other way around (the club on loan at with the club on loan from in the footnotes) as players are shown on Uefa's official site. What club would for example Javier Mascherano have had if he took part when his rights were with MSI - club MSI with a footnote that he was on loan at Liverpool? Sebisthlm ( talk) 20:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Question is: do we list clubs the player played for in the 2007-08 season (the last club of the season), or clubs the player belongs to? First is the UEFA (and I'd say worldwide, since I've always seen that) standard, latter is the "wikipedia standard". If you guys decide to approve the second case, remember that there are also co-ownership (I put a note on Borriello, but it's something like avoiding the issue). -- necronudist ( talk) 17:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
But how about the player played for two clubs in a season? Sometimes they want to loan out to gain more appearances in order to secure the national team place. But in fact they played both well. Matthew_hk t c 06:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for starting a discussion and the just suddenly disappear (I've been out of town a couple of days). I think that Kevin McE's analysis is correct. However, I think we have authoritative club info from Uefa's official team squads. If no reliable sources show other info than Uefa's, we should stick with their interpretation of club belonging. Of course I didn't mean that which club is listed as current is semanthics, It was trying to judge when a loan deal is over that I think is irrelevant. Necronudist brings up an excellent point in the Italian co-ownership deals. In Italy a player can be co-owned by two clubs while on loan to a third. This further illustrates my point that we have to go by (last) playing club and not owning club. Sebisthlm ( talk) 08:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Why player representation is different from this on uefa.com? -- Valodzka ( talk) 09:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)