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I removed a link in the firt paragraph describing these as mutual aid programs, with a link to mutual aid page- This seems very prominent and while some 12 step programs are certainly run like this, I don't think it's a defining feature of the programs- many state, charity and church funded residential centres are 12 step programs, for example, and these are definitivley not mutual aid programs- both in terms of funding, and structure. If we want to have a note that some programs fit within that oranisational structure, we should put it in a later paragraph, with more nuance. Adacable ( talk) 13:45, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Preferring mutual self-help, while well intentioned, is ahistorical and can not stand once Wilson’s reliance on Kropotkin’s anarchist mutual aid ideology—the title of one of his books-is considered. Makela adheres to regarding AA as an “international mutual aid movement”, and in the introduction takes no issue with the term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.170.151 ( talk) 17:08, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
but only as well in drinks-per-day and other measures
does not make sense 220.245.11.116 ( talk) 09:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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I removed a link in the firt paragraph describing these as mutual aid programs, with a link to mutual aid page- This seems very prominent and while some 12 step programs are certainly run like this, I don't think it's a defining feature of the programs- many state, charity and church funded residential centres are 12 step programs, for example, and these are definitivley not mutual aid programs- both in terms of funding, and structure. If we want to have a note that some programs fit within that oranisational structure, we should put it in a later paragraph, with more nuance. Adacable ( talk) 13:45, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Preferring mutual self-help, while well intentioned, is ahistorical and can not stand once Wilson’s reliance on Kropotkin’s anarchist mutual aid ideology—the title of one of his books-is considered. Makela adheres to regarding AA as an “international mutual aid movement”, and in the introduction takes no issue with the term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.170.151 ( talk) 17:08, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
but only as well in drinks-per-day and other measures
does not make sense 220.245.11.116 ( talk) 09:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)