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Significant article issues found; the article is currently at GAR as of this closure.
... that a significant percentage of residents of
Azerbaijan,
Turkey, and
Turkmenistan are descendants of
Oghuz Turks, also known as
Turkomans, and the languages they speak belong to a single group within one language family (pictured)? Sources: Shukurov, Rustam (1987). Fadl Allah Rashid ed-Din. Oghuzname (in Russian). Baku, Azerbaijan: Elm. pp. 1–26; Doerfer, Gerhard (1987). "Turks in Iran (Turkish translation)". Türk Dili ve Edebiyatı Dergisi: 431. It is very strange that the word "Turkmen" still leads to confusion; in Leningrad, I saw that Iraqi Oghuz literature was cataloged under the name "Turkmen"; in fact, the word Turkman simply means an Oghuz nomad.
It is very strange that the word "Turkmen" still leads to confusion; in Leningrad, I saw that Iraqi Oghuz literature was cataloged under the name "Turkmen"; in fact, the word Turkman simply means an Oghuz nomad.Julian Rentzsch, "Uniformity and diversity in Turkic inceptive constructions", Johannes Gutenberg University, pp. 270-271
Improved to Good Article status by Visioncurve ( talk). Self-nominated at 03:09, 1 September 2021 (UTC).
It is very strange that the word "Turkmen" still leads to confusion; in Leningrad, I saw that Iraqi Oghuz literature was cataloged under the name "Turkmen"; in fact, the word Turkman simply means an Oghuz nomad.Julian Rentzsch, "Uniformity and diversity in Turkic inceptive constructions", Johannes Gutenberg University, pp. 270-271
Article has content issues which are now tagged and undergoing a discussion at a GA review (see
Talk:Turkoman (ethnonym)/GA3). Unlikely that GA status will be kept without major edits. I think its time to pass on this nomination with no prejudice against renominating if it passes the GA review.
4meter4 (
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19:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
In the early 21st century, the ethnonym "Turkmen" is still used by the Turkmens of Turkmenistan [..]
is so profound and informative. TrangaBellam ( talk) 15:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
who have sizeable groups in Iran, Afghanistan, Russia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Pakistan. Why is this relevant? This entire paragraph requires a rewrite. My proposal would be:
In the early 21st century, the ethnonyms "Turkoman" and "Turkmen" are still used by the Turkmens of Turkmenistan, Iraqi and Syrian Turkmens, Turks of Israel and Lebanon, Yoruks (sub-ethnic group of Turkish people) and Karapapakhs (sub-ethnic group of Azerbaijanis).
descendants of the Oghuz Turks who mostly adhere to an Anatolian Turkish heritage and identity.;
Most Iraqi and Syrian Turkmens are descendants of Ottoman soldiers, traders, and civil servants who were taken into Iraq from Anatolia during the rule of the Ottoman Empire) should be within the linked articles, not here. — Golden call me maybe? 18:49, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
The use of "Turkmen" as an ethnonym for the Turks living in Iranian Azerbaijan disappeared from common use after the 17th and 18th centuries.
Gross (1995; p. 214) offers nothing relevant. Neither does Tsutsiev (2014; p. 48-50). I do not see anything relevant in the encyclopedic entry (which is a very poor source) on Turks, either. TrangaBellam ( talk) 16:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
It continued to be used interchangeably with other ethnohistorical terms for the Turkic people of the area, including Turk, Tatar and Ajam, well into the early 20th century.. The statement about Turks in Iranian Azerbaijan lacks a citation. — Golden call me maybe? 18:18, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
[..] which included such languages and dialects as Seljuq, Old Anatolian Turkish, and [..].
Seljuq = OAT, I believe. TrangaBellam ( talk) 19:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
I wonder if there are issues here with WP:ISATERMFOR. {{u| Sdkb}} talk 21:15, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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The result was: rejected by
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk)
12:21, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Significant article issues found; the article is currently at GAR as of this closure.
... that a significant percentage of residents of
Azerbaijan,
Turkey, and
Turkmenistan are descendants of
Oghuz Turks, also known as
Turkomans, and the languages they speak belong to a single group within one language family (pictured)? Sources: Shukurov, Rustam (1987). Fadl Allah Rashid ed-Din. Oghuzname (in Russian). Baku, Azerbaijan: Elm. pp. 1–26; Doerfer, Gerhard (1987). "Turks in Iran (Turkish translation)". Türk Dili ve Edebiyatı Dergisi: 431. It is very strange that the word "Turkmen" still leads to confusion; in Leningrad, I saw that Iraqi Oghuz literature was cataloged under the name "Turkmen"; in fact, the word Turkman simply means an Oghuz nomad.
It is very strange that the word "Turkmen" still leads to confusion; in Leningrad, I saw that Iraqi Oghuz literature was cataloged under the name "Turkmen"; in fact, the word Turkman simply means an Oghuz nomad.Julian Rentzsch, "Uniformity and diversity in Turkic inceptive constructions", Johannes Gutenberg University, pp. 270-271
Improved to Good Article status by Visioncurve ( talk). Self-nominated at 03:09, 1 September 2021 (UTC).
It is very strange that the word "Turkmen" still leads to confusion; in Leningrad, I saw that Iraqi Oghuz literature was cataloged under the name "Turkmen"; in fact, the word Turkman simply means an Oghuz nomad.Julian Rentzsch, "Uniformity and diversity in Turkic inceptive constructions", Johannes Gutenberg University, pp. 270-271
Article has content issues which are now tagged and undergoing a discussion at a GA review (see
Talk:Turkoman (ethnonym)/GA3). Unlikely that GA status will be kept without major edits. I think its time to pass on this nomination with no prejudice against renominating if it passes the GA review.
4meter4 (
talk)
19:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
In the early 21st century, the ethnonym "Turkmen" is still used by the Turkmens of Turkmenistan [..]
is so profound and informative. TrangaBellam ( talk) 15:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
who have sizeable groups in Iran, Afghanistan, Russia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Pakistan. Why is this relevant? This entire paragraph requires a rewrite. My proposal would be:
In the early 21st century, the ethnonyms "Turkoman" and "Turkmen" are still used by the Turkmens of Turkmenistan, Iraqi and Syrian Turkmens, Turks of Israel and Lebanon, Yoruks (sub-ethnic group of Turkish people) and Karapapakhs (sub-ethnic group of Azerbaijanis).
descendants of the Oghuz Turks who mostly adhere to an Anatolian Turkish heritage and identity.;
Most Iraqi and Syrian Turkmens are descendants of Ottoman soldiers, traders, and civil servants who were taken into Iraq from Anatolia during the rule of the Ottoman Empire) should be within the linked articles, not here. — Golden call me maybe? 18:49, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
The use of "Turkmen" as an ethnonym for the Turks living in Iranian Azerbaijan disappeared from common use after the 17th and 18th centuries.
Gross (1995; p. 214) offers nothing relevant. Neither does Tsutsiev (2014; p. 48-50). I do not see anything relevant in the encyclopedic entry (which is a very poor source) on Turks, either. TrangaBellam ( talk) 16:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
It continued to be used interchangeably with other ethnohistorical terms for the Turkic people of the area, including Turk, Tatar and Ajam, well into the early 20th century.. The statement about Turks in Iranian Azerbaijan lacks a citation. — Golden call me maybe? 18:18, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
[..] which included such languages and dialects as Seljuq, Old Anatolian Turkish, and [..].
Seljuq = OAT, I believe. TrangaBellam ( talk) 19:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
I wonder if there are issues here with WP:ISATERMFOR. {{u| Sdkb}} talk 21:15, 31 May 2023 (UTC)