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The aircraft in the first image looks like a 747-100 or 747-200 series to me rather than a 747-400 series, which I believe has a longer upper deck. I'm not certain though - I don't have a confirmation yet. Is there a possibility of misidentification related to either the image or the aircraft's identification? -- H Bruce Campbell ( talk) 05:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
I retract my concern. Several 747-412F aircraft as illustrated at http://www.JetPhotos.net/showphotos.php?aircraft=Boeing+747-412F%28SCD%29 seem identical in appearance. So evidently the Boeing 747-412F, a freighter, has a shorter upper deck than 747-400 passenger variants. Sorry for my distraction! -- H Bruce Campbell ( talk) 05:48, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Another giveaway that it's a 400 series freighter and not a 100 or 200 series are the winglets. Only the 400 series in all the photos I searched through online had winglets. But the short upper deck sure makes it look like a 100 series! 2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6 ( talk) 10:08, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
What's the official name of the "village" if there is one? Google lists it as "дачa СУ" (Dachi SU), which means " dacha of the construction administration" (строительное управление in Russian). Some of the Kyrgyz press report it as Дача СУ as well, e.g. here. Other Kyrgyz news reports list it as "Дача-Суу", which is half Russian, half Kyrgyz - "суу" means "water" and there are a lot of place names in something-суу , but then the something is always in Kyrgyz. I would suggest we stick to "Dacha SU" for the time being, unless someone can find "Dacha-Suu" on a map. -- Toothswung ( talk) 15:51, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
it is not a turkish airlines flight. 95.0.108.81 ( talk) 12:45, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
According to Turkish Airlines, it was a Turkish Airlines flight that however the Austrian press should not associate with Turkish Airlines. [3] -- Con structor 07:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
@
MilborneOne and
Toothswung:
I think we need to change table as on SFN as "Operator" row causing confusion
On SFN there are two rows please see >
https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20170116-0
We need to change "Operator" to "Operating for" & add another row "Leased from" for those accidents involving leased aircraft.
Therefore my suggestion is as below.
Operating for :
Turkish Airlines
Leased from : :
MyCargo Airlines
What do you reckon?
CaptainMega ( talk) 12:48, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Toothswung: Thanks, created new section under Template talk:Infobox aircraft occurrence CaptainMega ( talk) 15:01, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Just in case anyone is interested, now some Kyrgyz media outlets are claiming that Kyrgyz authorities usually smuggle goods with the help of such flights and that the actual reason for Turkish Airlines Flight 6491's stopover at Manas was to unload some consumer electronics. They claim that the Boeing could have easily made it to Istanbul without refueling in Bishkek. They also claim that aviation fuel is much cheaper in Astana, Kazakhstan, which is very close to Bishkek. For those who speak Russian, you can read about such claims here and here. I don't know if this should be mentioned in the article, but such claims do seem to be gaining strength here in Kyrgyzstan. Nataev talk 09:58, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Doesn't even contain the two worst accidents for ground fatalities - 88 and 74 - the second of which was also the worst aviation accident in history at the time it happened. In all fairness the 88 ground fatalities crash doesn't even have a Wikipedia article. IMHO the SA section of this article is a example of WP:Recentism. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 02:45, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
The preliminary report does say it captured a 9 degree glideslope while the real glideslope is 3 degrees, therefore the 9 degree one is a false glideslope - page 10 paragraph 9. With regard to not climbing out safely I don't site a reference, it is an obvious and necessary observation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:281:C300:1676:E953:271C:2D45:76FC ( talk) 21:47, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
The aircraft in the first image looks like a 747-100 or 747-200 series to me rather than a 747-400 series, which I believe has a longer upper deck. I'm not certain though - I don't have a confirmation yet. Is there a possibility of misidentification related to either the image or the aircraft's identification? -- H Bruce Campbell ( talk) 05:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
I retract my concern. Several 747-412F aircraft as illustrated at http://www.JetPhotos.net/showphotos.php?aircraft=Boeing+747-412F%28SCD%29 seem identical in appearance. So evidently the Boeing 747-412F, a freighter, has a shorter upper deck than 747-400 passenger variants. Sorry for my distraction! -- H Bruce Campbell ( talk) 05:48, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Another giveaway that it's a 400 series freighter and not a 100 or 200 series are the winglets. Only the 400 series in all the photos I searched through online had winglets. But the short upper deck sure makes it look like a 100 series! 2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6 ( talk) 10:08, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
What's the official name of the "village" if there is one? Google lists it as "дачa СУ" (Dachi SU), which means " dacha of the construction administration" (строительное управление in Russian). Some of the Kyrgyz press report it as Дача СУ as well, e.g. here. Other Kyrgyz news reports list it as "Дача-Суу", which is half Russian, half Kyrgyz - "суу" means "water" and there are a lot of place names in something-суу , but then the something is always in Kyrgyz. I would suggest we stick to "Dacha SU" for the time being, unless someone can find "Dacha-Suu" on a map. -- Toothswung ( talk) 15:51, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
it is not a turkish airlines flight. 95.0.108.81 ( talk) 12:45, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
According to Turkish Airlines, it was a Turkish Airlines flight that however the Austrian press should not associate with Turkish Airlines. [3] -- Con structor 07:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
@
MilborneOne and
Toothswung:
I think we need to change table as on SFN as "Operator" row causing confusion
On SFN there are two rows please see >
https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20170116-0
We need to change "Operator" to "Operating for" & add another row "Leased from" for those accidents involving leased aircraft.
Therefore my suggestion is as below.
Operating for :
Turkish Airlines
Leased from : :
MyCargo Airlines
What do you reckon?
CaptainMega ( talk) 12:48, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Toothswung: Thanks, created new section under Template talk:Infobox aircraft occurrence CaptainMega ( talk) 15:01, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Just in case anyone is interested, now some Kyrgyz media outlets are claiming that Kyrgyz authorities usually smuggle goods with the help of such flights and that the actual reason for Turkish Airlines Flight 6491's stopover at Manas was to unload some consumer electronics. They claim that the Boeing could have easily made it to Istanbul without refueling in Bishkek. They also claim that aviation fuel is much cheaper in Astana, Kazakhstan, which is very close to Bishkek. For those who speak Russian, you can read about such claims here and here. I don't know if this should be mentioned in the article, but such claims do seem to be gaining strength here in Kyrgyzstan. Nataev talk 09:58, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Doesn't even contain the two worst accidents for ground fatalities - 88 and 74 - the second of which was also the worst aviation accident in history at the time it happened. In all fairness the 88 ground fatalities crash doesn't even have a Wikipedia article. IMHO the SA section of this article is a example of WP:Recentism. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 02:45, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
The preliminary report does say it captured a 9 degree glideslope while the real glideslope is 3 degrees, therefore the 9 degree one is a false glideslope - page 10 paragraph 9. With regard to not climbing out safely I don't site a reference, it is an obvious and necessary observation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:281:C300:1676:E953:271C:2D45:76FC ( talk) 21:47, 23 October 2017 (UTC)