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In paragraph 3 of "Regional Crisis," The article states: "In February 1946, Kennan, an American diplomat in Moscow, sent his famed 'Long Telegram'..." I am confused when reading this. Was he in Moscow, Russia? Or Moscow, USA... there are three Moscows in my area alone. Could you specify which one as to remove confusion? It would be much appreciated. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.155.97.158 ( talk) 22:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
-- slava, march 24, 2005
I agree. I have made the edit. -- Hench 02:41, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
I'm niether a historian nor an economist so this may be completely out of line and the more knowledgable wikiens should feel free to slap me. With that disclaimer, there are several references which imply to communism is a form of government when it is actually an economic system. (R.I.P. Mr. Buck) I'm wondering if the "communism" being refered to is really some authoritarian rule via fascist dictators, etc. Does anyone have an informed historical perspective which might illuminate the details more clearly? movement that wishes to implement that system. In the context of this article, the reference would be to said political movement. -- Hench 06:40, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
Actually, "communism" in this context was intended to refer to the Soviet Union and its various client states. Although this is a somewhat careless shorthand, it was an extremely common usage in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s, especially in the United States. This usage is still fairly frequently encountered today. As annoying as it may be to those who are intent on precise use of language, it is firmly entrenched in common parlance. Paul ( talk) 03:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
"Communist" was part of the official name of the party--see for example The French and Italian Communist Parties: Comrades and Culture (Totalitarianism Movements and Political Religions) by Cyrille Guiat (2002) Rjensen ( talk) 03:44, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
I deleted this
from the text, becuase the Renamo resistence movement was only founded in 1975, and as such is completely anachronistic and off-topic. If you wanted to discuss case studies, you would be better served mentioning US actions in support of Greece, Turkey, Rhee Syngman in South Korea, or of the French in Viet Nam that are more immediatly connected to the Truman Doctrine.-- Francisx 07:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
"Military spending in 2007, in USD. The Truman Doctrine outlined the foreign policy of the United States, in which right-wing, totalitarian governments are actively supported, and unfriendly or uncooperative governments are overthrown via direct invasions by the military forces or CIA operations." This accompanied a graph showing the military expenditures of various countries in 2007. I question the relevance of such a graph and would also like to suggest that the subsequent statement isn't a fair and accurate portrayal of the Truman Doctrine in a sentence. I deleted it. Teapot24 ( talk) 19:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)teapot24 The testicular cheese has been DETECTED
"The Truman Doctrine outlined the foreign policy of the United States, in which right-wing, totalitarian governments are actively supported, and unfriendly or uncooperative governments are overthrown via direct invasions by the military forces or CIA operations."
Aksl85 ( talk) 15:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Someone put the word "chicken" in the following sentence, and it should be rolled back to an earlier draft.
It was an early response to political aggression by the Soviet Union in Europe and the Middle East, illustrated through the Communist movements in Iraq, Turkey and Chicken.
I added NSC68 as it is one of the most if not the most principle document of the Truman era. If anyone can elaborate more on my quick excerpt, please feel free to do so.
In the paragraph on the effect on nations in Western Europe I think Operation Gladio should be mentioned as it was a significant operation organized by the US and the UK over a long period of time to counter communist popularity.
I suppressed "ALBET IS GAY". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.214.103.69 ( talk) 19:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC).
I think the following phrase is vandalism "The military aspect of losing Greece and Turkey was also a huge factor in granting the 1 million dollars." Greece got 300 million and Turkey 100 million so I don't see where that "1 million" is coming from —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.0.210.8 ( talk) 01:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Another case of vandalism appears to be 'he act, which was a blow job happened after truman signed into law on May 22, 1947, granted Greece $300 million in military and economic aid' from the section on greece. I am unsure of what should replace that phrase so shall leave it to someone else —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.64.28 ( talk) 11:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
If someone would like to add a picture there are some at trumanlibrary, but the copyright status is unknown so they cant be uploaded to commons: http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/view.php?id=14684 http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/view.php?id=14687 http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/view.php?id=14697 Vints 06:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The semiotic analysis by Ivies is relatively insignificant as far as a line of inquiry into the Truman doctrine, so I am removing the metaphor section. If it returns, it should be brief and fully attributed to Ivies rather than stated as fact. AlexeiSeptimus 22:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
the Original research tag at the beginning of the article : the "was clearly at the heart of truman'sthoughts" is a qote from Chafe, William H., The Unfinished Journey: America Since World War II, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1995. I think —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.54.37.17 ( talk) 19:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't have the following book in front of me, but I seem to recall Neil Sheehan in A Bright Shining Lie saying U.S. aid to the French in their campaign against the Viet Minh began basically as soon as the French reoccupied the country in late 1945/early 1946, not "shortly after the start of the Korean War" as the article currently states. This issue is worth looking into especially since the doctrine of containment was often cited as a reason for later U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Krazychris81 ( talk) 22:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
In a quick read through of the changes made by User:Naur today, it seems that the editor might have an agenda that would conflict with WP:NPOV for this article. This is not a criticism of the editor, but a concern for the neutrality of the article. I do not have the time or inclination to read through in detail to analyze it, but it is a concern. At the very least, the additions are not neutrally written and should be adjusted. Statements like "the support at all costs of right-wing, authoritarian governments" and "the American global domination" and "the support, under the guise of democracy and freedom, of right-wing, totalitarian governments in third-world countries" seem to be red flags to me. Primary support for the additions seems to come from Noam Chomsky - a less than neutral commentator on American politics. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 15:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I was pretty shocked, myself, at the huge level of bias displayed in this article. It's full of loaded terms of the sort often used in communist propaganda. It's bad enough at this point that I would recommend the article for deletion, rather than keep what we have now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.1.196.76 ( talk) 02:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
And, for the record, Mr. Naur, who has wreaked this havoc, today removed the NPOV tag, commenting "rm tag- no debate for half a month", this despite the eight entries of debate above. (I restored the tag ... for the moment at least.)
Naur, you obviously have a problem with U.S. foreign policy. You are not alone. There is a way to record that fact without rendering this article useless. The Truman Policy was the first formal declaration of the U.S. policy versus the Soviet Union and International Communism. It was essentially the formal beginning of the Cold War, which is a very important chapter in recent history. Your ranting obscures that point. Frappyjohn ( talk) 04:07, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Naur: Much of the problem I have with your edits is that you appear to be using an article on a specific (and now outdated) policy declaration to expound on a much more general subject. Your efforts should be directed to the article on the Foreign Policy of the United States.
I challenge your numerous citations of Chomsky in this regard. A Google search for "Chomsky 'Truman Doctrine'" produces mainly side references by Chomsky to the doctrine. A search on Chomsky's site, chomsky.info, for "Truman Doctrine" produces only eight documents that mention the doctrine, and none that mention it in the title. A search at http://books.google.com/books?id=FajmTh_BmEkC of Chomsky's text At War with Asia, which you cite twice, produces only a single mention of "Truman Doctrine" and that is in a footnote. Chomsky, like you, appears to be highly critical of U.S. foreign policy. But he doesn't say much about the Truman Doctrine. Please take your talents to Foreign Policy of the United States. :) Frappyjohn ( talk) 06:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Note that a properly NPOV article (which is what we all should be aiming at) should describe all the major points of view where more than one exists. Naur seems to have done an excellent job of adding the leftwing point of view to the article. And that's fine. Kudos to him. The main problem with the article at the moment is that none of those editors who hold other points of view, such as the anti-communist one, have added well-sourced descriptions of them. The article should be fixed by adding descriptions of the missing points of view along with sources to demonstrate who holds them. Until someone steps up to the plate and does that, the "Neutrality" tag should be left on the article. -- Derek Ross | Talk 06:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Removed this phrase: ideologies which would save Third World countries from the exploitation of American capitalism which had cited Chomsky's Hegemony or Survival. This phrase referred to the idelogies the Truman doctrine would work to subvert. First of all, this is speculation that these idealogies would "save Third World countries." It also shows an anti-capitalism bias on the part of the writer. It violated NPOV, and citing Chomsky only makes this worse. I agree with your POV, as I am sure many others do. However, it is a POV and only that. It is not fact which should be written into a wikipedia entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shellac ( talk • contribs) 17:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
The Truman Doctrine was a political response to Soviet aggression in Europe, illustrated through the crisis over Iran, Turkey and Greece. As a result American foreign policy towards Russia shifted, as George F. Kennan phrased it, to that of containment of Communism.
The article on the Truman Doctrine displays an almost amusing lack of neutrality and requires a very quick repair job. It appears that certain users have edited it - with a single source, and not always factually - to conform to their own political agenda.
--Evil Maniac From Mars —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evil Maniac From Mars ( talk • contribs) 19:09, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I've reverted to an older version. This is ridiculous, Chomsky's opinion is just that, his opinion and (seeing how he wasn't even writing about the Truman Doctrine at all) has no place in this article. This article is using a specific policy document to make generalizations about modern US policy and is a blatant violation of WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE, and WP:SYN. L0b0t ( talk) 15:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Added para on Turkey, previously missing despite Turkey being original subject of Truman Doctrine! And added to Greece re history of the period in question ie the civil war. Note that in Greece & Turkey some military coups were against a rightist government, ie one formed by the more right of the two parties Hugo999 ( talk) 02:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Page sysop protected due to edit warring. Tan | 39 15:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC) gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggydhyyyyyyyyycffrhyghyj
Naur, please stop. These changes you are trying to force here are unwanted. Consensus is against your edits, in the germane section above you will see that every single editor that has commented about your changes agrees that the changes are inappropriate and unwanted. Enough is enough. L0b0t ( talk) 14:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Mufka for the sage advice. Accordingly, I posit, again, that to use an article about a specific 50 year-old policy statement concerning 2 countries to make statements about such things as 2007 defense spending is a massive violation of our policy on
editorial synthesis and
original research. The number of sources you cite and the factual accuracy of your claims are irrelevant, you are posting this into the wrong article. Your edits would be more appropriate (although I still feel they violate
WP:SYN and
WP:OR) in a more generalized article on
US foreign policy. Cheers.
L0b0t (
talk)
16:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
"...stated that the Communists planned for world domination. While this was likely an aim of Lenin...". There is a huge confusion on what world domination means here. World domination is usually linked to imperialism (a country tries to dominate others). The goal of Lenin was the inverse: preventing all imperialism. But he thought this could be done only by spreading communism worldwide. The world domination of communism (that has no link with nationalism) is not to confuse with Bonaparte world domination (that is clearly nationalist) for instance. The sentence starting with "while this was likely an aim of Lenin" should be removed. User:RomainBrasselet 17:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I have recently tagged the page as having possible factual inaccuracies. In a recent edit, it was shown that the date was wrong in which the doctrine was instated. I then proceeded to correct the dates in several different areas of the article. However, I am not sure about this section:
Is the date supposed to be February or March? In previous editions of the article, it said that the doctrine was created in March, but that particular address was made in February. However, there was an address in March. I'm not sure if they're the same one or not. Considering that most of the references are books, it was hard for me to verify. Hopefully someone who knows a bit more of this can look into it. I'd look more, but I've got to leave. Thanks, ~ Super Hamster Talk Contribs 03:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
The audio from the "Special Message to Congress..." plays contains plays 0.1 seconds of static before ending. Tested in latest versions of Safari, Chrome and Firefox. Can someone who knows what they're doing fix this? Maxterpiece ( talk) 09:15, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
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Read you description of the Truman Doctrine and it is not quite correct.
− Personally, I see it as an extension of Roosevelt's disastrous "Atlantic Charter"
− speeches. However, for a very accurate understanding of the Truman Doctrine I suggest
− you go to George F. Kennan's, Memoirs 1925-1950 and read chapter 13. Truman used Greece
− and Turkey as an excuse to address the rest of the world and the Russians responded by
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starting the Korean war so we would be tied up. Thank you for having me.Cite error: A <ref>
tag is missing the closing </ref>
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− R W Van dyke
This is an important historical article, yet the reader of the substantial introductory section still has no idea when the Truman Doctrine was issued. This information should be in the first sentence. 67.0.165.7 ( talk) 02:46, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
[copied ex talk page of rjensen]
I made the edits that you just reverted on the Truman Doctrine page. From your biography, I fail to see how you can dispute the grammatical changes I made. The 'only' was clearly in the wrong place. The Soviet Union would only respond to force? It wouldn't be doing anything else at all? And so forth.
If you think it was Soviet imperialism, that's fine, but this is supposed to be an objective resource, and there are reasonable arguments that it was not imperialism. It certainly didn't call itself imperialism, as British imperialism did. I fail to see why, given that this is supposed to be an objective resource, 'expansionism' is unsatisfactory. It communicates the same meaning without being tendentious. /s/ User:SpottedToad
(1) "The Truman Doctrine was an American foreign policy created to counter Communist geopolitical expansion during the Cold War."
(2) "It was first announced to Congress by President Harry S. Truman on March 12, 1947[1]:547-9 and further developed on July 12, 1948 when he pledged to contain threats to Greece and Turkey."
(3) "American military force was usually not involved, but Congress appropriated free gifts of financial aid to support the economies and the militaries of Greece and Turkey."
(4) "More generally, the Truman Doctrine implied American support for other nations threatened by Soviet communism."
Let’s imagine I were to write the lead of the Cominform article to say this:
“The Cominform was founded to block the penetration of American imperialism into the Peoples’ Democracies of eastern Europe and prevent the reemergence of Hitlerism.”
Would you consider that NPOV? Because that’s an accurate description of their motivations. But it comes with a little bit of baggage, you might say. The underlying assumption in talking about Soviet expansion in the late 1940s is that such expansion existed—and whether or not it existed is in dispute. Even when you count Czechoslovakia, you have to acknowledge that Stalin was in the process of losing Yugoslavia, and while the West “lost China,” Mao was nobody’s puppet. In 1947, the Soviets were in a worse position than they were at the end of WWII, not better.
When you frame it as “Communist expansion” you promote the myth of the International Communist Conspiracy, which again is refuted by the prompt schism that erupted between Tito and Stalin, and later between Mao and Kruschev. Eventually even Nixon realized that the myth of monolithic “international Communism” was ideological nonsense, and he went to China. (This is actually one of the ways the we won the Cold War). GPRamirez5 ( talk) 16:54, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
The lead section claims that Truman's address to Congress about this doctrine took place on March 29, yet the article's "Truman's address" section says that it happened on March 12. Which one is it??? MarqFJA87 ( talk) 04:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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In paragraph 3 of "Regional Crisis," The article states: "In February 1946, Kennan, an American diplomat in Moscow, sent his famed 'Long Telegram'..." I am confused when reading this. Was he in Moscow, Russia? Or Moscow, USA... there are three Moscows in my area alone. Could you specify which one as to remove confusion? It would be much appreciated. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.155.97.158 ( talk) 22:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
-- slava, march 24, 2005
I agree. I have made the edit. -- Hench 02:41, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
I'm niether a historian nor an economist so this may be completely out of line and the more knowledgable wikiens should feel free to slap me. With that disclaimer, there are several references which imply to communism is a form of government when it is actually an economic system. (R.I.P. Mr. Buck) I'm wondering if the "communism" being refered to is really some authoritarian rule via fascist dictators, etc. Does anyone have an informed historical perspective which might illuminate the details more clearly? movement that wishes to implement that system. In the context of this article, the reference would be to said political movement. -- Hench 06:40, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
Actually, "communism" in this context was intended to refer to the Soviet Union and its various client states. Although this is a somewhat careless shorthand, it was an extremely common usage in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s, especially in the United States. This usage is still fairly frequently encountered today. As annoying as it may be to those who are intent on precise use of language, it is firmly entrenched in common parlance. Paul ( talk) 03:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
"Communist" was part of the official name of the party--see for example The French and Italian Communist Parties: Comrades and Culture (Totalitarianism Movements and Political Religions) by Cyrille Guiat (2002) Rjensen ( talk) 03:44, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
I deleted this
from the text, becuase the Renamo resistence movement was only founded in 1975, and as such is completely anachronistic and off-topic. If you wanted to discuss case studies, you would be better served mentioning US actions in support of Greece, Turkey, Rhee Syngman in South Korea, or of the French in Viet Nam that are more immediatly connected to the Truman Doctrine.-- Francisx 07:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
"Military spending in 2007, in USD. The Truman Doctrine outlined the foreign policy of the United States, in which right-wing, totalitarian governments are actively supported, and unfriendly or uncooperative governments are overthrown via direct invasions by the military forces or CIA operations." This accompanied a graph showing the military expenditures of various countries in 2007. I question the relevance of such a graph and would also like to suggest that the subsequent statement isn't a fair and accurate portrayal of the Truman Doctrine in a sentence. I deleted it. Teapot24 ( talk) 19:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)teapot24 The testicular cheese has been DETECTED
"The Truman Doctrine outlined the foreign policy of the United States, in which right-wing, totalitarian governments are actively supported, and unfriendly or uncooperative governments are overthrown via direct invasions by the military forces or CIA operations."
Aksl85 ( talk) 15:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Someone put the word "chicken" in the following sentence, and it should be rolled back to an earlier draft.
It was an early response to political aggression by the Soviet Union in Europe and the Middle East, illustrated through the Communist movements in Iraq, Turkey and Chicken.
I added NSC68 as it is one of the most if not the most principle document of the Truman era. If anyone can elaborate more on my quick excerpt, please feel free to do so.
In the paragraph on the effect on nations in Western Europe I think Operation Gladio should be mentioned as it was a significant operation organized by the US and the UK over a long period of time to counter communist popularity.
I suppressed "ALBET IS GAY". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.214.103.69 ( talk) 19:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC).
I think the following phrase is vandalism "The military aspect of losing Greece and Turkey was also a huge factor in granting the 1 million dollars." Greece got 300 million and Turkey 100 million so I don't see where that "1 million" is coming from —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.0.210.8 ( talk) 01:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Another case of vandalism appears to be 'he act, which was a blow job happened after truman signed into law on May 22, 1947, granted Greece $300 million in military and economic aid' from the section on greece. I am unsure of what should replace that phrase so shall leave it to someone else —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.64.28 ( talk) 11:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
If someone would like to add a picture there are some at trumanlibrary, but the copyright status is unknown so they cant be uploaded to commons: http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/view.php?id=14684 http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/view.php?id=14687 http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/view.php?id=14697 Vints 06:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The semiotic analysis by Ivies is relatively insignificant as far as a line of inquiry into the Truman doctrine, so I am removing the metaphor section. If it returns, it should be brief and fully attributed to Ivies rather than stated as fact. AlexeiSeptimus 22:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
the Original research tag at the beginning of the article : the "was clearly at the heart of truman'sthoughts" is a qote from Chafe, William H., The Unfinished Journey: America Since World War II, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1995. I think —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.54.37.17 ( talk) 19:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't have the following book in front of me, but I seem to recall Neil Sheehan in A Bright Shining Lie saying U.S. aid to the French in their campaign against the Viet Minh began basically as soon as the French reoccupied the country in late 1945/early 1946, not "shortly after the start of the Korean War" as the article currently states. This issue is worth looking into especially since the doctrine of containment was often cited as a reason for later U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Krazychris81 ( talk) 22:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
In a quick read through of the changes made by User:Naur today, it seems that the editor might have an agenda that would conflict with WP:NPOV for this article. This is not a criticism of the editor, but a concern for the neutrality of the article. I do not have the time or inclination to read through in detail to analyze it, but it is a concern. At the very least, the additions are not neutrally written and should be adjusted. Statements like "the support at all costs of right-wing, authoritarian governments" and "the American global domination" and "the support, under the guise of democracy and freedom, of right-wing, totalitarian governments in third-world countries" seem to be red flags to me. Primary support for the additions seems to come from Noam Chomsky - a less than neutral commentator on American politics. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 15:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I was pretty shocked, myself, at the huge level of bias displayed in this article. It's full of loaded terms of the sort often used in communist propaganda. It's bad enough at this point that I would recommend the article for deletion, rather than keep what we have now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.1.196.76 ( talk) 02:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
And, for the record, Mr. Naur, who has wreaked this havoc, today removed the NPOV tag, commenting "rm tag- no debate for half a month", this despite the eight entries of debate above. (I restored the tag ... for the moment at least.)
Naur, you obviously have a problem with U.S. foreign policy. You are not alone. There is a way to record that fact without rendering this article useless. The Truman Policy was the first formal declaration of the U.S. policy versus the Soviet Union and International Communism. It was essentially the formal beginning of the Cold War, which is a very important chapter in recent history. Your ranting obscures that point. Frappyjohn ( talk) 04:07, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Naur: Much of the problem I have with your edits is that you appear to be using an article on a specific (and now outdated) policy declaration to expound on a much more general subject. Your efforts should be directed to the article on the Foreign Policy of the United States.
I challenge your numerous citations of Chomsky in this regard. A Google search for "Chomsky 'Truman Doctrine'" produces mainly side references by Chomsky to the doctrine. A search on Chomsky's site, chomsky.info, for "Truman Doctrine" produces only eight documents that mention the doctrine, and none that mention it in the title. A search at http://books.google.com/books?id=FajmTh_BmEkC of Chomsky's text At War with Asia, which you cite twice, produces only a single mention of "Truman Doctrine" and that is in a footnote. Chomsky, like you, appears to be highly critical of U.S. foreign policy. But he doesn't say much about the Truman Doctrine. Please take your talents to Foreign Policy of the United States. :) Frappyjohn ( talk) 06:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Note that a properly NPOV article (which is what we all should be aiming at) should describe all the major points of view where more than one exists. Naur seems to have done an excellent job of adding the leftwing point of view to the article. And that's fine. Kudos to him. The main problem with the article at the moment is that none of those editors who hold other points of view, such as the anti-communist one, have added well-sourced descriptions of them. The article should be fixed by adding descriptions of the missing points of view along with sources to demonstrate who holds them. Until someone steps up to the plate and does that, the "Neutrality" tag should be left on the article. -- Derek Ross | Talk 06:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Removed this phrase: ideologies which would save Third World countries from the exploitation of American capitalism which had cited Chomsky's Hegemony or Survival. This phrase referred to the idelogies the Truman doctrine would work to subvert. First of all, this is speculation that these idealogies would "save Third World countries." It also shows an anti-capitalism bias on the part of the writer. It violated NPOV, and citing Chomsky only makes this worse. I agree with your POV, as I am sure many others do. However, it is a POV and only that. It is not fact which should be written into a wikipedia entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shellac ( talk • contribs) 17:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
The Truman Doctrine was a political response to Soviet aggression in Europe, illustrated through the crisis over Iran, Turkey and Greece. As a result American foreign policy towards Russia shifted, as George F. Kennan phrased it, to that of containment of Communism.
The article on the Truman Doctrine displays an almost amusing lack of neutrality and requires a very quick repair job. It appears that certain users have edited it - with a single source, and not always factually - to conform to their own political agenda.
--Evil Maniac From Mars —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evil Maniac From Mars ( talk • contribs) 19:09, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I've reverted to an older version. This is ridiculous, Chomsky's opinion is just that, his opinion and (seeing how he wasn't even writing about the Truman Doctrine at all) has no place in this article. This article is using a specific policy document to make generalizations about modern US policy and is a blatant violation of WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE, and WP:SYN. L0b0t ( talk) 15:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Added para on Turkey, previously missing despite Turkey being original subject of Truman Doctrine! And added to Greece re history of the period in question ie the civil war. Note that in Greece & Turkey some military coups were against a rightist government, ie one formed by the more right of the two parties Hugo999 ( talk) 02:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Page sysop protected due to edit warring. Tan | 39 15:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC) gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggydhyyyyyyyyycffrhyghyj
Naur, please stop. These changes you are trying to force here are unwanted. Consensus is against your edits, in the germane section above you will see that every single editor that has commented about your changes agrees that the changes are inappropriate and unwanted. Enough is enough. L0b0t ( talk) 14:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Mufka for the sage advice. Accordingly, I posit, again, that to use an article about a specific 50 year-old policy statement concerning 2 countries to make statements about such things as 2007 defense spending is a massive violation of our policy on
editorial synthesis and
original research. The number of sources you cite and the factual accuracy of your claims are irrelevant, you are posting this into the wrong article. Your edits would be more appropriate (although I still feel they violate
WP:SYN and
WP:OR) in a more generalized article on
US foreign policy. Cheers.
L0b0t (
talk)
16:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
"...stated that the Communists planned for world domination. While this was likely an aim of Lenin...". There is a huge confusion on what world domination means here. World domination is usually linked to imperialism (a country tries to dominate others). The goal of Lenin was the inverse: preventing all imperialism. But he thought this could be done only by spreading communism worldwide. The world domination of communism (that has no link with nationalism) is not to confuse with Bonaparte world domination (that is clearly nationalist) for instance. The sentence starting with "while this was likely an aim of Lenin" should be removed. User:RomainBrasselet 17:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I have recently tagged the page as having possible factual inaccuracies. In a recent edit, it was shown that the date was wrong in which the doctrine was instated. I then proceeded to correct the dates in several different areas of the article. However, I am not sure about this section:
Is the date supposed to be February or March? In previous editions of the article, it said that the doctrine was created in March, but that particular address was made in February. However, there was an address in March. I'm not sure if they're the same one or not. Considering that most of the references are books, it was hard for me to verify. Hopefully someone who knows a bit more of this can look into it. I'd look more, but I've got to leave. Thanks, ~ Super Hamster Talk Contribs 03:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
The audio from the "Special Message to Congress..." plays contains plays 0.1 seconds of static before ending. Tested in latest versions of Safari, Chrome and Firefox. Can someone who knows what they're doing fix this? Maxterpiece ( talk) 09:15, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
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Read you description of the Truman Doctrine and it is not quite correct.
− Personally, I see it as an extension of Roosevelt's disastrous "Atlantic Charter"
− speeches. However, for a very accurate understanding of the Truman Doctrine I suggest
− you go to George F. Kennan's, Memoirs 1925-1950 and read chapter 13. Truman used Greece
− and Turkey as an excuse to address the rest of the world and the Russians responded by
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− R W Van dyke
This is an important historical article, yet the reader of the substantial introductory section still has no idea when the Truman Doctrine was issued. This information should be in the first sentence. 67.0.165.7 ( talk) 02:46, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
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I made the edits that you just reverted on the Truman Doctrine page. From your biography, I fail to see how you can dispute the grammatical changes I made. The 'only' was clearly in the wrong place. The Soviet Union would only respond to force? It wouldn't be doing anything else at all? And so forth.
If you think it was Soviet imperialism, that's fine, but this is supposed to be an objective resource, and there are reasonable arguments that it was not imperialism. It certainly didn't call itself imperialism, as British imperialism did. I fail to see why, given that this is supposed to be an objective resource, 'expansionism' is unsatisfactory. It communicates the same meaning without being tendentious. /s/ User:SpottedToad
(1) "The Truman Doctrine was an American foreign policy created to counter Communist geopolitical expansion during the Cold War."
(2) "It was first announced to Congress by President Harry S. Truman on March 12, 1947[1]:547-9 and further developed on July 12, 1948 when he pledged to contain threats to Greece and Turkey."
(3) "American military force was usually not involved, but Congress appropriated free gifts of financial aid to support the economies and the militaries of Greece and Turkey."
(4) "More generally, the Truman Doctrine implied American support for other nations threatened by Soviet communism."
Let’s imagine I were to write the lead of the Cominform article to say this:
“The Cominform was founded to block the penetration of American imperialism into the Peoples’ Democracies of eastern Europe and prevent the reemergence of Hitlerism.”
Would you consider that NPOV? Because that’s an accurate description of their motivations. But it comes with a little bit of baggage, you might say. The underlying assumption in talking about Soviet expansion in the late 1940s is that such expansion existed—and whether or not it existed is in dispute. Even when you count Czechoslovakia, you have to acknowledge that Stalin was in the process of losing Yugoslavia, and while the West “lost China,” Mao was nobody’s puppet. In 1947, the Soviets were in a worse position than they were at the end of WWII, not better.
When you frame it as “Communist expansion” you promote the myth of the International Communist Conspiracy, which again is refuted by the prompt schism that erupted between Tito and Stalin, and later between Mao and Kruschev. Eventually even Nixon realized that the myth of monolithic “international Communism” was ideological nonsense, and he went to China. (This is actually one of the ways the we won the Cold War). GPRamirez5 ( talk) 16:54, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
The lead section claims that Truman's address to Congress about this doctrine took place on March 29, yet the article's "Truman's address" section says that it happened on March 12. Which one is it??? MarqFJA87 ( talk) 04:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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