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Most traditionally-mainstream Trinitarian Christians would disagree with the definition of "triune" given in this article... AnonMoos 04:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Should we add this to category:triune gods? Pictureuploader
Would we want to rename this article "List of triple deities", or would you like it to be more like an article to expand? It seems to be half and half and could go either way. I've just put it down as a Wikiproject mythology list. Goldenrowley 22:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I noticed the list does not contain any triple-deities from religions originating outside of Eurasia before modern Eurasion contact (such as the pre-columbian Americas).
If this is because such things do not exist, that would be worth noting, otherwise an example of such a thing would be very informative.
Mschures ( talk) 09:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It is problematic to include the Trinity in here without a special explaining of sorts. The Trinity is not considered to be a form of tritheism, save for some moslems and jews, but rather it is one God in three manifestations (one substance, three hypostases). This is why Christianity is widely regarded to be part of monotheism. ADM ( talk) 21:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
The previous version contained much accusatory language. I have rewritten it: [1]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:FD07:E900:9C92:71E8:6248:8545 ( talk) 01:25, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Now that we have a tritheism article it needs to be mentioned an explained, and differenced from other forms of worship (this would be a good way to address Christian concerns that the Trinity is being misrepresented as tritheistic). A second issue is that Jung is cited as positing that tripled deities are archetypal but just above there are sources mentioned showing an outgrowth of triads from pairs, and these views are necessarily at odds, a debate that needs exploration and explanation. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 02:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I recently proposed the article Khnum-Satet-Anuket for deletion, on the grounds that the article adds nothing to our existing articles on the gods Khnum, Satet, and Anuket. User:Carolina wren declined the proposed deletion and proposed a merge to this article instead (to the "Historical polytheism" section). That user did not create a section here to discuss the issue, so I am. A. Parrot ( talk) 04:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
The picture of Odin, Thor, and Freyr states that one of the members is likely "holding an ear of corn," even though it is from a 12th century tapestry. Since corn wasn't introduced to Europe until the 15th or 16th centuries, its basically impossible that they meant to depict corn. Should probably be changed or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.191.173 ( talk) 01:51, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Would be a good idea to put they in the article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farore#Golden_Goddesses — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.18.139.72 ( talk) 18:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Several of the examples given are of groups of three individuals (for example Zeus, Athene, Apollo) rather than a tripartite individual (like Hecate). Shouldn't these be be covered in separate articles? -- Khajidha ( talk) 21:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
The whole concept of "crone", as in maiden, mother and crone, is a Wiccan invention. Both Hecate and Minerva are listed in the article as being "crones". They most certainly are not. The Greeks rarely portrayed goddesses as crones and especially did not portray any of the major goddesses as crones. Hecate is specifically said to be the "saffron clad maiden". So it's extremely silly for Wiccans to try to insist on turning her into an old hag. The same with Minerva. Both Minerva and Hecate are always portrayed as young women and are never portrayed as crones. BoyintheMachine ( talk) 00:52, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).<<Christianity[edit]
Some Muslims,Jews,Jehovah's Witnesses and other non-trinitarians charge Trinitarian Christians with believing in a triple deity. Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy and conservative Protestants reject the equation of the Trinity with a "triple deity", regarding tritheism as a heresy.>>
The verb 'charge' implies, at most, hostility and at the very least, negativity toward Trinitarian Christians. I can only speak for Jehovah's Witnesses in stating that we do not 'charge' Trinitarian Christians, or any other individual with a personal religious belief. Our published statements are never in an attitude of complaint, criticism, or attack; rather they are simple reasonings from the scriptures and secular sources for any seeking answers to their questions. At doors, we politely ask questions and listen carefully before responding, looking for common ground, looking to encourage. Our evident success in this endeavor would preclude the idea of 'charging' persons. Use of the word 'Some' does not lessen the implied blow. http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/own-religion/
Serlyndi ( talk) 08:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Three figures of Arthurian legend are described in this article as "goddesses", but there is no reliable source for such a claim. I requested a scholarly, not neo-pagan, source for the idea that these figures of folklore and legend were in fact religious figures. Someone has added as a source " Barbara G. Walker (1983), The Women's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets, p.583 ISBN 0-06-250925-X, but this is precisely the kind of neo-pagan, modern reinterpretationist work we cannot cite as evidence for treatment of legendary figures in their native cultural environment. The author has a journalism degree and is an expert on knitting, and is not an anthropologist or historian. She's also a feminist activist, and a proponent of the pseudoscience theory of a prehistoric matriarchy in Europe, and thus has a vested interest in elevating random folkloric figures into reinterpreted "goddesses". — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 21:23, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Since the table of goddesses is mostly unsourced wouldn't this travesty be considered "original research"? I thought we were trying to discourage this kind of thing. 63.140.104.226 ( talk) 09:36, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
I understand that certain fiction works, such as literature and videogames contain deities who are trinune, or form trinities, or are simply three, such as the Elder Scrolls: Morrowind's Almsivi, a triumvirate of three God Kings named Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vivec. There are other triple deities in the Elder Scroll's various religions. I believe I remember similar ideas from the Star Wars comics.
Should these be included? Pepe Oats ( talk) 21:10, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
This [ Halmoni] is an ancient Korean triune goddess. Hard to say when this myth started, or where it came from, but it deserves at least a link in this article. -- Snow ( talk) 19:32, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Khnum-Satet-Anuket. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 18:21, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Should one include the very conservative position of Ronald Hutton, who, in Triumph of the Moon (pp. 37 and 42), is dismissive of triple goddesses in any sense, which he characterizes as a nineteenth-century fallacy that swept through academia in a wave of "burgeoning enthusiasm"? Prof. Hutton often tends to project the ahistorical position that pagan elements evident within Christianity are in actuality not pagan, but Christian, since he tends to argue that there is no evidence for these concepts prior to Christianity. In fact, he outright scolds scholars who use the description of "Mother Goddess" of projecting the Virgin Mary onto the source data. -- 04:13, 4 February 2023 70.39.20.64
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Most traditionally-mainstream Trinitarian Christians would disagree with the definition of "triune" given in this article... AnonMoos 04:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Should we add this to category:triune gods? Pictureuploader
Would we want to rename this article "List of triple deities", or would you like it to be more like an article to expand? It seems to be half and half and could go either way. I've just put it down as a Wikiproject mythology list. Goldenrowley 22:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I noticed the list does not contain any triple-deities from religions originating outside of Eurasia before modern Eurasion contact (such as the pre-columbian Americas).
If this is because such things do not exist, that would be worth noting, otherwise an example of such a thing would be very informative.
Mschures ( talk) 09:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It is problematic to include the Trinity in here without a special explaining of sorts. The Trinity is not considered to be a form of tritheism, save for some moslems and jews, but rather it is one God in three manifestations (one substance, three hypostases). This is why Christianity is widely regarded to be part of monotheism. ADM ( talk) 21:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
The previous version contained much accusatory language. I have rewritten it: [1]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:FD07:E900:9C92:71E8:6248:8545 ( talk) 01:25, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Now that we have a tritheism article it needs to be mentioned an explained, and differenced from other forms of worship (this would be a good way to address Christian concerns that the Trinity is being misrepresented as tritheistic). A second issue is that Jung is cited as positing that tripled deities are archetypal but just above there are sources mentioned showing an outgrowth of triads from pairs, and these views are necessarily at odds, a debate that needs exploration and explanation. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 02:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I recently proposed the article Khnum-Satet-Anuket for deletion, on the grounds that the article adds nothing to our existing articles on the gods Khnum, Satet, and Anuket. User:Carolina wren declined the proposed deletion and proposed a merge to this article instead (to the "Historical polytheism" section). That user did not create a section here to discuss the issue, so I am. A. Parrot ( talk) 04:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
The picture of Odin, Thor, and Freyr states that one of the members is likely "holding an ear of corn," even though it is from a 12th century tapestry. Since corn wasn't introduced to Europe until the 15th or 16th centuries, its basically impossible that they meant to depict corn. Should probably be changed or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.191.173 ( talk) 01:51, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Would be a good idea to put they in the article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farore#Golden_Goddesses — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.18.139.72 ( talk) 18:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Several of the examples given are of groups of three individuals (for example Zeus, Athene, Apollo) rather than a tripartite individual (like Hecate). Shouldn't these be be covered in separate articles? -- Khajidha ( talk) 21:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
The whole concept of "crone", as in maiden, mother and crone, is a Wiccan invention. Both Hecate and Minerva are listed in the article as being "crones". They most certainly are not. The Greeks rarely portrayed goddesses as crones and especially did not portray any of the major goddesses as crones. Hecate is specifically said to be the "saffron clad maiden". So it's extremely silly for Wiccans to try to insist on turning her into an old hag. The same with Minerva. Both Minerva and Hecate are always portrayed as young women and are never portrayed as crones. BoyintheMachine ( talk) 00:52, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).<<Christianity[edit]
Some Muslims,Jews,Jehovah's Witnesses and other non-trinitarians charge Trinitarian Christians with believing in a triple deity. Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy and conservative Protestants reject the equation of the Trinity with a "triple deity", regarding tritheism as a heresy.>>
The verb 'charge' implies, at most, hostility and at the very least, negativity toward Trinitarian Christians. I can only speak for Jehovah's Witnesses in stating that we do not 'charge' Trinitarian Christians, or any other individual with a personal religious belief. Our published statements are never in an attitude of complaint, criticism, or attack; rather they are simple reasonings from the scriptures and secular sources for any seeking answers to their questions. At doors, we politely ask questions and listen carefully before responding, looking for common ground, looking to encourage. Our evident success in this endeavor would preclude the idea of 'charging' persons. Use of the word 'Some' does not lessen the implied blow. http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/own-religion/
Serlyndi ( talk) 08:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Three figures of Arthurian legend are described in this article as "goddesses", but there is no reliable source for such a claim. I requested a scholarly, not neo-pagan, source for the idea that these figures of folklore and legend were in fact religious figures. Someone has added as a source " Barbara G. Walker (1983), The Women's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets, p.583 ISBN 0-06-250925-X, but this is precisely the kind of neo-pagan, modern reinterpretationist work we cannot cite as evidence for treatment of legendary figures in their native cultural environment. The author has a journalism degree and is an expert on knitting, and is not an anthropologist or historian. She's also a feminist activist, and a proponent of the pseudoscience theory of a prehistoric matriarchy in Europe, and thus has a vested interest in elevating random folkloric figures into reinterpreted "goddesses". — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 21:23, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Since the table of goddesses is mostly unsourced wouldn't this travesty be considered "original research"? I thought we were trying to discourage this kind of thing. 63.140.104.226 ( talk) 09:36, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
I understand that certain fiction works, such as literature and videogames contain deities who are trinune, or form trinities, or are simply three, such as the Elder Scrolls: Morrowind's Almsivi, a triumvirate of three God Kings named Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vivec. There are other triple deities in the Elder Scroll's various religions. I believe I remember similar ideas from the Star Wars comics.
Should these be included? Pepe Oats ( talk) 21:10, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
This [ Halmoni] is an ancient Korean triune goddess. Hard to say when this myth started, or where it came from, but it deserves at least a link in this article. -- Snow ( talk) 19:32, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Khnum-Satet-Anuket. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 18:21, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Should one include the very conservative position of Ronald Hutton, who, in Triumph of the Moon (pp. 37 and 42), is dismissive of triple goddesses in any sense, which he characterizes as a nineteenth-century fallacy that swept through academia in a wave of "burgeoning enthusiasm"? Prof. Hutton often tends to project the ahistorical position that pagan elements evident within Christianity are in actuality not pagan, but Christian, since he tends to argue that there is no evidence for these concepts prior to Christianity. In fact, he outright scolds scholars who use the description of "Mother Goddess" of projecting the Virgin Mary onto the source data. -- 04:13, 4 February 2023 70.39.20.64