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Prior to the new (2006) trophy donated by RBS, I recall a trophy carved from coal (and presumably treated in some way to prevent its erosion and soiling the hands of the dignitary charged with presenting it) being featured in the television preamble to a (then) 5 nations championship a few years ago. Was this just a short lived novelty, or was it regarded as a genuine tangible award to the victorious side? Kevin McE 12:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I had never heard of this, but according to this pdf. There was a 'trophy' made out of coal but there is no suggestion that it was taken seriously. GordyB 10:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Have to get a photo of it, there's one in the RBS Press Section but not very clear. Stabilo boss 13:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I think "Triple Crown" was attributed to James I/VI in Macbeth but am unsure.
So if either of the home nations win all of the games they'd win both the Triple Crown and the Grand Slam? -- Howard the Duck 04:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Means finishing bottom not losing all games. If you read the article on the wooden spoon, it comes from Cambridge awarding a wooden spoon for the person getting the bottom mark in maths. In other sports competitions e.g. the NRL - the bottom team gets the wooden spoon.
This article here [1] descibes Scotland as winning the wooden spoon even though they beat Wales.
Losing all games is a 'whitewash'. GordyB 10:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The Oxford English dictionary give the fist use as "1899 Whitaker's Almanack 1900 648/2 In their last match at Cardiff against Wales, Ireland won by a try to nothing, securing the triple crown with three straight victories as in 1894." -- PBS ( talk) 14:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, the table of past winners is a little inefficient. Would anyone be dead against the idea of grouping together the years with no winner as follows?
1883 | ![]() |
1884 | ![]() |
1885-90 | Not achieved |
1891 | ![]() |
1892 | ![]() |
1893 | ![]() |
1894 | ![]() |
1895 | ![]() |
1896-98 | Not achieved |
1899 | ![]() |
1900 | ![]() |
1901 | ![]() |
1902 | ![]() |
1903 | ![]() |
1904 | Not achieved |
1905 | ![]() |
1906 | Not achieved |
1907 | ![]() |
1908 | ![]() |
1909 | ![]() |
1910 | Not achieved |
1911 | ![]() |
1912 | Not achieved |
1913 | ![]() |
1914 | ![]() |
1915-19 | Not held due to World War I |
1920 | Not achieved |
1921 | ![]() |
1922 | Not achieved |
1923 | ![]() |
1924 | ![]() |
1925 | ![]() |
1926-27 | Not achieved |
1928 | ![]() |
1929-32 | Not achieved |
1933 | ![]() |
1934 | ![]() |
1935-36 | Not achieved |
1937 | ![]() |
1938 | ![]() |
1939 | Not achieved |
1940–46 | Not held due to World War II |
1947 | Not achieved |
1948 | ![]() |
1949 | ![]() |
1950 | ![]() |
1951 | Not achieved |
1952 | ![]() |
1953 | Not achieved |
1954 | ![]() |
1955-56 | Not achieved |
1957 | ![]() |
1958-59 | Not achieved |
1960 | ![]() |
1961-64 | Not achieved |
1965 | ![]() |
1966-68 | Not achieved |
1969 | ![]() |
1970 | Not achieved |
1971 | ![]() |
1972-75 | Not achieved |
1976 | ![]() |
1977 | ![]() |
1978 | ![]() |
1979 | ![]() |
1980 | ![]() |
1981 | Not achieved |
1982 | ![]() |
1983 | Not achieved |
1984 | ![]() |
1985 | ![]() |
1986-87 | Not achieved |
1988 | ![]() |
1989 | Not achieved |
1990 | ![]() |
1991 | ![]() |
1992 | ![]() |
1993-94 | Not achieved |
1995 | ![]() |
1996 | ![]() |
1997 | ![]() |
1998 | ![]() |
1999-01 | Not achieved |
2002 | ![]() |
2003 | ![]() |
2004 | ![]() |
2005 | ![]() |
2006 | ![]() |
2007 | ![]() |
2008 | ![]() |
2009 | ![]() |
2010 |
DrFishcake ( talk) 19:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
-- 27.33.234.172 ( talk) 17:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC) seems logical, although for Ireland pre 1922, would the St Patrick's flag be suitable as that was their flag at the time? (following football flag usage conventions)?
I made an edit that it was not only France or Italy that could win the six nations when another nation won the triple crown, stating that any other home nation could also win it.
The edit was reverted on the grounds of "improbable scenario".
I would dispute this - with all due respect to Italy I would say it is just as likely for a home nations team to win the six nations when another wins the triple crown. A perfect example is this year:
Wales have won the triple crown. However if they were to lose to France, and England won their remaining two games - all of which is possible - the winner of the six nations would then come down to points difference. The current wording implies that it is impossible for a home nations team to win the six nations and another to win the triple crown. It should be removed, or expanded to mention that it is "simpler" for Italy or France to end up in that situation.
In fact, this almost occured in 1996. England won the triple crown and the five nations. However, Scotland also won 3 games. Had they won by bigger margins, or England by smaller margins, Scotland would have taken the five nations despite England winning the triple crown.
I know this is original research, but so is the current statement.
Richjhart ( talk) 11:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Unlike the Grand Slam, the Triple Crown winners will not necessarily be the tournament winners, since France or Italy–or even another of the home nations– could outperform them on points-difference within the Six Nations Championship. This first occurred in the 1977 Five Nations Championship, when Wales won the Triple Crown by defeating the other three British Isles teams, while France won the Championship by completing the Grand Slam over all four of the British Isles teams. Gareth Griffith-Jones ( talk) 09:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
What say we move this paragraph out of the intro, where it dominates unnecessarily? Well, I'm about to do it anyway - anyone who disagrees, just revert me. Victor Yus ( talk) 13:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Great 77.75.244.13 ( talk) 19:40, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
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Prior to the new (2006) trophy donated by RBS, I recall a trophy carved from coal (and presumably treated in some way to prevent its erosion and soiling the hands of the dignitary charged with presenting it) being featured in the television preamble to a (then) 5 nations championship a few years ago. Was this just a short lived novelty, or was it regarded as a genuine tangible award to the victorious side? Kevin McE 12:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I had never heard of this, but according to this pdf. There was a 'trophy' made out of coal but there is no suggestion that it was taken seriously. GordyB 10:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Have to get a photo of it, there's one in the RBS Press Section but not very clear. Stabilo boss 13:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I think "Triple Crown" was attributed to James I/VI in Macbeth but am unsure.
So if either of the home nations win all of the games they'd win both the Triple Crown and the Grand Slam? -- Howard the Duck 04:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Means finishing bottom not losing all games. If you read the article on the wooden spoon, it comes from Cambridge awarding a wooden spoon for the person getting the bottom mark in maths. In other sports competitions e.g. the NRL - the bottom team gets the wooden spoon.
This article here [1] descibes Scotland as winning the wooden spoon even though they beat Wales.
Losing all games is a 'whitewash'. GordyB 10:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The Oxford English dictionary give the fist use as "1899 Whitaker's Almanack 1900 648/2 In their last match at Cardiff against Wales, Ireland won by a try to nothing, securing the triple crown with three straight victories as in 1894." -- PBS ( talk) 14:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, the table of past winners is a little inefficient. Would anyone be dead against the idea of grouping together the years with no winner as follows?
1883 | ![]() |
1884 | ![]() |
1885-90 | Not achieved |
1891 | ![]() |
1892 | ![]() |
1893 | ![]() |
1894 | ![]() |
1895 | ![]() |
1896-98 | Not achieved |
1899 | ![]() |
1900 | ![]() |
1901 | ![]() |
1902 | ![]() |
1903 | ![]() |
1904 | Not achieved |
1905 | ![]() |
1906 | Not achieved |
1907 | ![]() |
1908 | ![]() |
1909 | ![]() |
1910 | Not achieved |
1911 | ![]() |
1912 | Not achieved |
1913 | ![]() |
1914 | ![]() |
1915-19 | Not held due to World War I |
1920 | Not achieved |
1921 | ![]() |
1922 | Not achieved |
1923 | ![]() |
1924 | ![]() |
1925 | ![]() |
1926-27 | Not achieved |
1928 | ![]() |
1929-32 | Not achieved |
1933 | ![]() |
1934 | ![]() |
1935-36 | Not achieved |
1937 | ![]() |
1938 | ![]() |
1939 | Not achieved |
1940–46 | Not held due to World War II |
1947 | Not achieved |
1948 | ![]() |
1949 | ![]() |
1950 | ![]() |
1951 | Not achieved |
1952 | ![]() |
1953 | Not achieved |
1954 | ![]() |
1955-56 | Not achieved |
1957 | ![]() |
1958-59 | Not achieved |
1960 | ![]() |
1961-64 | Not achieved |
1965 | ![]() |
1966-68 | Not achieved |
1969 | ![]() |
1970 | Not achieved |
1971 | ![]() |
1972-75 | Not achieved |
1976 | ![]() |
1977 | ![]() |
1978 | ![]() |
1979 | ![]() |
1980 | ![]() |
1981 | Not achieved |
1982 | ![]() |
1983 | Not achieved |
1984 | ![]() |
1985 | ![]() |
1986-87 | Not achieved |
1988 | ![]() |
1989 | Not achieved |
1990 | ![]() |
1991 | ![]() |
1992 | ![]() |
1993-94 | Not achieved |
1995 | ![]() |
1996 | ![]() |
1997 | ![]() |
1998 | ![]() |
1999-01 | Not achieved |
2002 | ![]() |
2003 | ![]() |
2004 | ![]() |
2005 | ![]() |
2006 | ![]() |
2007 | ![]() |
2008 | ![]() |
2009 | ![]() |
2010 |
DrFishcake ( talk) 19:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
-- 27.33.234.172 ( talk) 17:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC) seems logical, although for Ireland pre 1922, would the St Patrick's flag be suitable as that was their flag at the time? (following football flag usage conventions)?
I made an edit that it was not only France or Italy that could win the six nations when another nation won the triple crown, stating that any other home nation could also win it.
The edit was reverted on the grounds of "improbable scenario".
I would dispute this - with all due respect to Italy I would say it is just as likely for a home nations team to win the six nations when another wins the triple crown. A perfect example is this year:
Wales have won the triple crown. However if they were to lose to France, and England won their remaining two games - all of which is possible - the winner of the six nations would then come down to points difference. The current wording implies that it is impossible for a home nations team to win the six nations and another to win the triple crown. It should be removed, or expanded to mention that it is "simpler" for Italy or France to end up in that situation.
In fact, this almost occured in 1996. England won the triple crown and the five nations. However, Scotland also won 3 games. Had they won by bigger margins, or England by smaller margins, Scotland would have taken the five nations despite England winning the triple crown.
I know this is original research, but so is the current statement.
Richjhart ( talk) 11:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Unlike the Grand Slam, the Triple Crown winners will not necessarily be the tournament winners, since France or Italy–or even another of the home nations– could outperform them on points-difference within the Six Nations Championship. This first occurred in the 1977 Five Nations Championship, when Wales won the Triple Crown by defeating the other three British Isles teams, while France won the Championship by completing the Grand Slam over all four of the British Isles teams. Gareth Griffith-Jones ( talk) 09:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
What say we move this paragraph out of the intro, where it dominates unnecessarily? Well, I'm about to do it anyway - anyone who disagrees, just revert me. Victor Yus ( talk) 13:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Great 77.75.244.13 ( talk) 19:40, 20 March 2022 (UTC)